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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; I am calling into question if Payton and Loomis even know what they are doing anymore. We are only through week 1, and Spiller already caps a series of mind-boggling decisions. The big decisions they seem okay at - like ...

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Old 09-13-2016, 07:24 PM   #1
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Re: Saints Cut C.J. Spiller

I am calling into question if Payton and Loomis even know what they are doing anymore.

We are only through week 1, and Spiller already caps a series of mind-boggling decisions. The big decisions they seem okay at - like getting Brees resigned and bringing in Kruger. It's all these small decisions that, honestly, the team seems clueless about.

I'm trying to be subjective and not fall into the hindsight-is-20-20 stuff, but there is too much that already leaves me scratching my head:

Why did we workout Lutz right before the start of regular season rather than bringing in him and/or other young kickers at beginning of camp?

What was the purpose of hanging onto Spiller for one week, rather than cutting him toward end of preseason with our other cuts? We could have kept Finnegan or at least some other cornerback.

I don't even want to get into last season, with the constant refusal to bench/cut Browner despite the fact that he single-handedly cost us at least two games last season. The whole 3-4/4-3/Rob Ryan fiasco last year and Payton's peculiar decisions about himself/Carmichael calling the plays. We just seem to have a lot of chronic unsettlement, if not dysfunction.

I was trying to put these things behind me, but Payton/Loomis keep doing things that make me think I shouldn't being doing that.

Always will be a fan, and I have confidence in Brees and many of the players on this team. I just don't have much confidence in Payton/Loomis because so little seems to make sense sometimes.
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Swann is on IR again; a torn muscle and not concussion
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I am calling into question if Payton and Loomis even know what they are doing anymore.

We are only through week 1, and Spiller already caps a series of mind-boggling decisions. The big decisions they seem okay at - like getting Brees resigned and bringing in Kruger. It's all these small decisions that, honestly, the team seems clueless about.

I'm trying to be subjective and not fall into the hindsight-is-20-20 stuff, but there is too much that already leaves me scratching my head:

Why did we workout Lutz right before the start of regular season rather than bringing in him and/or other young kickers at beginning of camp?

What was the purpose of hanging onto Spiller for one week, rather than cutting him toward end of preseason with our other cuts? We could have kept Finnegan or at least some other cornerback.

I don't even want to get into last season, with the constant refusal to bench/cut Browner despite the fact that he single-handedly cost us at least two games last season. The whole 3-4/4-3/Rob Ryan fiasco last year and Payton's peculiar decisions about himself/Carmichael calling the plays. We just seem to have a lot of chronic unsettlement, if not dysfunction.

I was trying to put these things behind me, but Payton/Loomis keep doing things that make me think I shouldn't being doing that.

Always will be fan, and I have confidence in Brees and many of the players on this team. I just don't have much confidence in Payton/Loomis because so little seems to make sense sometimes.

I still have confidence in Payton and Loomis, although Loomis is likely just doing what Payton requests. But I'll admit I'm becoming less and less enamored with both of them.

I thought their upside was the Patriots organization, but I'm not ready to say their downside is the Browns organization yet.
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Originally Posted by neugey View Post

What was the purpose of hanging onto Spiller for one week, rather than cutting him toward end of preseason with our other cuts? We could have kept Finnegan or at least some other cornerback.

I don't even want to get into last season, with the constant refusal to bench/cut Browner despite the fact that he single-handedly cost us at least two games last season. The whole 3-4/4-3/Rob Ryan fiasco last year and Payton's peculiar decisions about himself/Carmichael calling the plays. We just seem to have a lot of chronic unsettlement, if not dysfunction.

I was trying to put these things behind me, but Payton/Loomis keep doing things that make me think I shouldn't being doing that.
All valid concerns.

This costs us 2.6 million in cap space this year, but we gain that back next year in savings.

The only reason you cut him now is so you can eat the dead money this year and be done with it.

No one will ever confuse me as a GM but IMO it makes no sense. May as well cut JByrd while you are at it (sarcasm) .

Whatever
... Giants are still suiting up on Sunday @ 12.
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All valid concerns.

This costs us 2.6 million in cap space this year, but we gain that back next year in savings.

The only reason you cut him now is so you can eat the dead money this year and be done with it.

No one will ever confuse me as a GM but IMO it makes no sense. May as well cut JByrd while you are at it .

Whatever
... Giants are still suiting up on Sunday @ 12.
In otherwords, there was a reason and we don't know why, but it is not important, right? Why the uproar by some then, huh?
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In otherwords, there was a reason and we don't know why, but it is not important, right? Why the uproar by some then, huh?
Maybe because Spillers is better than Cadet, jurys out on Murphy so far and Lasco is a rookie is what most people are looking at. I think thats what the uproar is about. I can't blame anyone about this. Cadet is not a gamechanger like Spillers could be. Cadets never had a good season to date. Example Spillers in the Dallas last season hurt. Cadet ... well nothing comes to mind... ever. Not to mention throwing money down the drain, this season or next, that money could be used on a player that could help. I totally get the frustration,because it's habitual.
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Maybe because Spillers is better than Cadet, jurys out on Murphy so far and Lasco is a rookie is what most people are looking at. I think thats what the uproar is about. I can't blame anyone about this. Cadet is not a gamechanger like Spillers could be. Cadets never had a good season to date. Example Spillers in the Dallas last season hurt. Cadet ... well nothing comes to mind... ever. Not to mention throwing money down the drain, this season or next, that money could be used on a player that could help. I totally get the frustration,because it's habitual.
There are no players that can help. We have what we have. The front office is doing the best they can with the ****ty hands we keep getting dealt.
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Shame,could have done with him. I really dont get why you are limited to one player o IR to return. I understand that teams could stash players but just make it that the NFL has to check out the players medical and so long as they are injured(say 4-5 weeks minimum they can go on IR)
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What really make this a surprise, correct me if I'm wrong but since he wasn't cut before the season start don't that make part of contract guaranteed
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