Originally Posted by billyt81 (Post 731033)

Can we get Gruden and let Payton go to LA?

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 731026)

If it was up to fans. Or some fans.

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 731037)

well, no, that's reality. when it happens is not up to us, but if you keep churning 7-9 you're getting fired

Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 731038)

In a way, it is up to the fans. If those seats don't get filled that fat wallet gets a lot lighter also when the entire team is boo'd each and every game relentlessly an owner kind of takes notice. The fans can make or break a team in aspects. I'm a firm believer of strength in numbers.

Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 731046)

I haven't seen anyone leave the broadcasting booth.

Why on earth would you the job is better... less stress and you get more money.

Originally Posted by spkb25 (Post 731049)

IDK if the money is better, but valued against the stress and amount of time coaching takes it probably is. Like SP is gettign 9 mil a year, IDT (could be wrong) that announcers are getting that per year, but maybe I am way wrong

Originally Posted by Euphoria (Post 731052)

Well sean isn't in the booth. Sean is an exception because he is one of the hightest actually the highets I believe.

Gruden gets gets 6.5 million. The average HC salary for the year is aboug 4 million. I don't think I would leave the booth if I was going to bet less than 6.5 or even 7.5 I mean you have a contract and you are getting paid and going to be there as long as you want really. HC job he lasted the longest in TB at 6 years. I think I'd take the safer bet and stay in the booth.

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL (Post 731027)

There are at least three competing ideas going on above. Let's unpack them:

1. Frustrated with 7-9. Clear and understandable.

2. A new coach will eliminate #1. Odds are against.

3. Nothing is changing. True but not due to no idea of new coach.



Well that's the norm in the NFL, so it's not unexpected. There's a reason that 20-40% of the league turns over coaching staffs each and every year. There's also the fact that playoff teams turn over close to half the roster from year to year.

So it seems that the issue from your viewpoint in short is that there is only one Bill Belichick, and the Saints do not have him. And coaching trees do not work. Folks like Crennel, McDaniels, and the like who have had opportunities did not turn their organization into the Patriots.

The fact is that folks like Payton, McCarthy, and Harbaugh (the Ravens one), have in fact accomplished the task where folks who are arguably better, such as Andy Reid, or back in the day Marty Shottenheimer couldn't get done, and that's win a SuperBowl.

Payton and the other past single/double winners will each likely go the path of Tom Coughlin. It's going to take having someone on the coaching staff that's doing such a magnificent job that when the vultures come a calling, the organization panics and elevates the guy to keep them.

Considering that the last two times this has happened has been in New York and Tampa Bay, both of which are trending up after the boot of Coughlin and Lovie Smith, that may end up being the new NFL trend for cycling coaches.

But honestly do you see either Carmichael or Dennis Allen as one of those guys? Allen has already had his shot with the Raiders, and it didn't go well.

The bottom line is that changes need to have a plan if you want to execute them. History already tells us that 7-9 and 8-8 are not an impediment to jumping up and grabbing the ring the very next year. Just look at Dallas this year. From 4-12 to likely 13-3 in a single year. We all know that Jason Garrett should have been fired last year after going 4-12, right? Or Carolina's 12-4 7-8-1 15-1 and likely 7-9 the last 4 years.

A lot of times this is simply due to the cycle of the schedule. Play a couple of weak divisions with an up year for your team and a down year for your division and suddenly you're 13-3 and have home field.

As far as I can see, there's only one guy that's proven it in the NFL and doesn't yet have the ring: Jim Harbaugh. But short of teleporting Michigan's campus off planet while Harbaugh is off scouting, I cannot see how to pry the guy away.

Look, if new meant better, then the Browns should be in the playoffs this year. I'll take stable mediocrity over an unstable mess like that any day of the week.

SFIAH