Brandin Cooks Trade Talks

Beastmode · 03-03-2017, 10:20 PM

Originally Posted by WillSaints81

That's Ingram's job to do since he's the "Blount" of our team.

Ingram is no 240lb Blount. Ingram can do a lot of things good. Blount can't do all that but he does do one thing great; scored TD's almost every single game on the GL. Only 3 games he did not score.

lee909 · 03-04-2017, 02:51 AM

Ive said before about Ingram
I kike him but he is a bit of a jack of all trades RB. He can do everything but nothing to an exceptional level. He doesnt have the speed of the top backs or the power of the biggest. Ive often thought we could do with a monster back there for short yardage. A Blount,Jacobs type. Once the get their feet moving they are getting 2 to 3 yards wether you like it or not

voodooido · 03-04-2017, 04:09 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

One of the announcers at the Combine had the Saints on the LF short list. Really? Not even sure how they came to that conclusion. I will say though Blount sure did give Brady a lot of relief this season. 18TD for Blount. Sure makes the job of an older QB a hell of a lot easier.

Everyone has been talking about the Saints being more of a run team to prolong the life of Brees. We trade cooks for a rd 1 this year and mutiple next. Dreaft LF7 at 11 and defense with the other rd1 and 2.

lee909 · 03-04-2017, 04:50 AM

He wont be there at 11 imo

hagan714 · 03-04-2017, 08:21 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

It's a first and Kendricks (Philly is changing their scheme)...We traded our first (R1,27th & R3,91st to get the 20th pick (850 net) and select Cooks, then you factor the pro Cooks has become and his proven production, age, etc...

Cooks is now an established, proven, elite receiver and opposite Jordan Matthews, keep the heat on 'em and get the 15th pick from 'em (Minnesota's pick) and then you can really jump start the defense, or trade that 15th pick down and pick up even more in this incredible draft...

Originally Posted by TOEaglesRule

Philly is not changing their system...not sure where you pulled that out of 😉

The change came when Kelly got the boot and after Kendricks signed the big deal. Pressure is placed on the DL not the LB as it was with Kelly. This is not using Kendricks to maximize his skill set. Thus making that big contract unjustifiable.

hagan714 · 03-04-2017, 08:31 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

He wont be there at 11 imo

unless all this Cooks trade stuff is to get pick 5.

The move makes no sense. LF running style would require the saints to redo their thinking on the OL. We are not a power run scheme team. The OL is built for zone blocking. I do not think LF would do well running behind a zone scheme. Brooks? sure

All this after taking the one WR that had the skill set to get teams out of playing 8 in the box?

Sounds like the saints would be painting themselves into a corner on the offensive side of the ball while keeping the defense in the dumpster.

It makes no sense to me unless FA money goes into the right side of the line and we get some speed at WR to take the top off a defense.

lee909 · 03-04-2017, 08:52 AM

As much as id love to redress the rosters RBs there are more pressing needs
Id be a bit disapointed if we got an extra 1st and used it on a RB this year. Next year id be ok with if a few holes were fixed.

I prefer run first football with a strong D but i think them days are gone.
The league rules changes have made a Baltimore early 00 D impossible. Its about getting playmakers in the backfield and pressure in the front 7 these days imo. rush the passer and have the players capable of turnovers ready to capitalise in the backfield

Unforunatley we have neither. So get the front 7 sorted,get another couple of DBs and get the O line stronger is the best place to start

jnormand · 03-04-2017, 11:32 AM

Originally Posted by hagan714

unless all this Cooks trade stuff is to get pick 5.

The move makes no sense. LF running style would require the saints to redo their thinking on the OL. We are not a power run scheme team. The OL is built for zone blocking. I do not think LF would do well running behind a zone scheme. Brooks? sure

All this after taking the one WR that had the skill set to get teams out of playing 8 in the box?

Sounds like the saints would be painting themselves into a corner on the offensive side of the ball while keeping the defense in the dumpster.

It makes no sense to me unless FA money goes into the right side of the line and we get some speed at WR to take the top off a defense.

I agree. I don't see why so many people think Leonard Fournette is a good choice this year. I agree he's a polarizing and exciting player, but the needs on defense are more important. And you're right, the offensive line is built for zone running. It doesn't make sense to draft him. Mark Ingram has played plenty well enough to utilize as our regular back. If we drafted Fournette, then Mark Ingram would need to be traded. There's no point to making him a third down back or something. And no point in drafting Fournette to be a short yardage back.

IMO, the focus needs to be on the defensive line, LBs and secondary. Maybe even the offensive line. We have huge holes and question marks all over those.

RB is not a need right now.

I'm not going to piss and moan if they draft Fournette, but they better have big plans to do something about the gaping holes on defense if they go that route. We already know that a really good offense and a ****ty defense won't get you more then 7-9.

WillSaints81 · 03-04-2017, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by voodooido

Everyone has been talking about the Saints being more of a run team to prolong the life of Brees. We trade cooks for a rd 1 this year and mutiple next. Dreaft LF7 at 11 and defense with the other rd1 and 2.

But is Payton going to actually run the ball more?

WillSaints81 · 03-04-2017, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

Ingram is no 240lb Blount. Ingram can do a lot of things good. Blount can't do all that but he does do one thing great; scored TD's almost every single game on the GL. Only 3 games he did not score.

Actually that's one of Ingram's srengths. Scoring at the goal line. They just don't always run it in or have used the likes of Hightower, Cadet, or Kuhn or some gadget run play by Fleener.

The saints just do not commit to Ingram like that.

03-03-2017, 10:20 PM	#171
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks Originally Posted by WillSaints81 That's Ingram's job to do since he's the "Blount" of our team. Ingram is no 240lb Blount. Ingram can do a lot of things good. Blount can't do all that but he does do one thing great; scored TD's almost every single game on the GL. Only 3 games he did not score.
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03-04-2017, 02:51 AM	#172
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,793 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks Ive said before about Ingram I kike him but he is a bit of a jack of all trades RB. He can do everything but nothing to an exceptional level. He doesnt have the speed of the top backs or the power of the biggest. Ive often thought we could do with a monster back there for short yardage. A Blount,Jacobs type. Once the get their feet moving they are getting 2 to 3 yards wether you like it or not Beastmode and halloween 65 like this.

03-04-2017, 04:09 AM	#173
voodooido 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 2,761	Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks Originally Posted by Beastmode One of the announcers at the Combine had the Saints on the LF short list. Really? Not even sure how they came to that conclusion. I will say though Blount sure did give Brady a lot of relief this season. 18TD for Blount. Sure makes the job of an older QB a hell of a lot easier. Everyone has been talking about the Saints being more of a run team to prolong the life of Brees. We trade cooks for a rd 1 this year and mutiple next. Dreaft LF7 at 11 and defense with the other rd1 and 2.
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03-04-2017, 04:50 AM	#174
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,793 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks He wont be there at 11 imo st thomas likes this.

03-04-2017, 08:21 AM	#175
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks Originally Posted by jeanpierre It's a first and Kendricks (Philly is changing their scheme)...We traded our first (R1,27th & R3,91st to get the 20th pick (850 net) and select Cooks, then you factor the pro Cooks has become and his proven production, age, etc... Cooks is now an established, proven, elite receiver and opposite Jordan Matthews, keep the heat on 'em and get the 15th pick from 'em (Minnesota's pick) and then you can really jump start the defense, or trade that 15th pick down and pick up even more in this incredible draft... Originally Posted by TOEaglesRule Philly is not changing their system...not sure where you pulled that out of 😉 The change came when Kelly got the boot and after Kendricks signed the big deal. Pressure is placed on the DL not the LB as it was with Kelly. This is not using Kendricks to maximize his skill set. Thus making that big contract unjustifiable.
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03-04-2017, 08:31 AM	#176
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks Originally Posted by lee909 He wont be there at 11 imo unless all this Cooks trade stuff is to get pick 5. The move makes no sense. LF running style would require the saints to redo their thinking on the OL. We are not a power run scheme team. The OL is built for zone blocking. I do not think LF would do well running behind a zone scheme. Brooks? sure All this after taking the one WR that had the skill set to get teams out of playing 8 in the box? Sounds like the saints would be painting themselves into a corner on the offensive side of the ball while keeping the defense in the dumpster. It makes no sense to me unless FA money goes into the right side of the line and we get some speed at WR to take the top off a defense. jnormand and 44Champs like this.
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03-04-2017, 08:52 AM	#177
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,793 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks As much as id love to redress the rosters RBs there are more pressing needs Id be a bit disapointed if we got an extra 1st and used it on a RB this year. Next year id be ok with if a few holes were fixed. I prefer run first football with a strong D but i think them days are gone. The league rules changes have made a Baltimore early 00 D impossible. Its about getting playmakers in the backfield and pressure in the front 7 these days imo. rush the passer and have the players capable of turnovers ready to capitalise in the backfield Unforunatley we have neither. So get the front 7 sorted,get another couple of DBs and get the O line stronger is the best place to start jnormand likes this.
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03-04-2017, 11:32 AM	#178
jnormand 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: The Free State of Idaho Posts: 5,647	Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks Originally Posted by hagan714 unless all this Cooks trade stuff is to get pick 5. The move makes no sense. LF running style would require the saints to redo their thinking on the OL. We are not a power run scheme team. The OL is built for zone blocking. I do not think LF would do well running behind a zone scheme. Brooks? sure All this after taking the one WR that had the skill set to get teams out of playing 8 in the box? Sounds like the saints would be painting themselves into a corner on the offensive side of the ball while keeping the defense in the dumpster. It makes no sense to me unless FA money goes into the right side of the line and we get some speed at WR to take the top off a defense. I agree. I don't see why so many people think Leonard Fournette is a good choice this year. I agree he's a polarizing and exciting player, but the needs on defense are more important. And you're right, the offensive line is built for zone running. It doesn't make sense to draft him. Mark Ingram has played plenty well enough to utilize as our regular back. If we drafted Fournette, then Mark Ingram would need to be traded. There's no point to making him a third down back or something. And no point in drafting Fournette to be a short yardage back. IMO, the focus needs to be on the defensive line, LBs and secondary. Maybe even the offensive line. We have huge holes and question marks all over those. RB is not a need right now. I'm not going to piss and moan if they draft Fournette, but they better have big plans to do something about the gaping holes on defense if they go that route. We already know that a really good offense and a ****ty defense won't get you more then 7-9. hagan714, 44Champs and MarchingOn like this.

03-04-2017, 02:07 PM	#179
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks Originally Posted by voodooido Everyone has been talking about the Saints being more of a run team to prolong the life of Brees. We trade cooks for a rd 1 this year and mutiple next. Dreaft LF7 at 11 and defense with the other rd1 and 2. But is Payton going to actually run the ball more?

03-04-2017, 02:13 PM	#180
WillSaints81 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2012 Posts: 4,267	Re: Brandin Cooks Trade Talks Originally Posted by Beastmode Ingram is no 240lb Blount. Ingram can do a lot of things good. Blount can't do all that but he does do one thing great; scored TD's almost every single game on the GL. Only 3 games he did not score. Actually that's one of Ingram's srengths. Scoring at the goal line. They just don't always run it in or have used the likes of Hightower, Cadet, or Kuhn or some gadget run play by Fleener. The saints just do not commit to Ingram like that.

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