Saints Pick Christian McCaffrey RB at #11

Rsanders24 · 03-29-2017, 10:24 AM

I would not be happy if we made that pick in the 1st round. We traded our most explosive player on offense to get better on defense. That is what we need to do....focus on defense. After last year we saw that you cannot have enough quality depth on that side of the ball.

CM will probably be a good back but I'm concerned about his longevity at this level after how much Stanford used him. Also, if he's not an every down back then thats too high for him. We will use him in sub-packages and face it....we are not going to all of a sudden become a run heavy offense. I just don't think we will get the return we need at that pick. We are good at finding offensive talent in later picks. I still believe we need to go defense in the first round.

Beastmode · 03-29-2017, 11:34 AM

Originally Posted by Rsanders24

I would not be happy if we made that pick in the 1st round. We traded our most explosive player on offense to get better on defense. That is what we need to do....focus on defense. After last year we saw that you cannot have enough quality depth on that side of the ball.

CM will probably be a good back but I'm concerned about his longevity at this level after how much Stanford used him. Also, if he's not an every down back then thats too high for him. We will use him in sub-packages and face it....we are not going to all of a sudden become a run heavy offense. I just don't think we will get the return we need at that pick. We are good at finding offensive talent in later picks. I still believe we need to go defense in the first round.

And that is what Loomis clearly stated. We are going defense, probably the first 3 picks. Unless of course something insane happens which Loomis also stated that will also likely happen. I could see us trading up to get the best defender we can with the 11 and 32 then maybe offense right after it.

SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-29-2017, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Rsanders24

I would not be happy if we made that pick in the 1st round. We traded our most explosive player on offense to get better on defense. That is what we need to do....focus on defense. After last year we saw that you cannot have enough quality depth on that side of the ball.

I just don't see these two events being connected to one another. With Cooks, there was an upcoming long term big money investment coming starting with the $750k roster bonus due at the beginning of March. Why pour money into a guy that you don't plan to keep?

Getting better on defense is a given, but I don't believe the motivation for trading Cooks was specifically to do that IMO.

CM will probably be a good back but I'm concerned about his longevity at this level after how much Stanford used him. Also, if he's not an every down back then thats too high for him. We will use him in sub-packages and face it....we are not going to all of a sudden become a run heavy offense. I just don't think we will get the return we need at that pick. We are good at finding offensive talent in later picks. I still believe we need to go defense in the first round.

I agree. The offense/defense talent imbalance is still tilted. The defense needs more, and better, people to catch up.

SFIAH

foreverfan · 03-29-2017, 02:02 PM

Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL

The offense/defense talent imbalance is still tilted.

Take Drew Brees out and you really think that is true?

|Mitch| · 03-29-2017, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Take Drew Brees out and you really think that is true?

That's a what if that ain't coming true; at least not for a season or two...

SaintFanInATLHELL · 03-29-2017, 04:54 PM

Originally Posted by foreverfan

Take Drew Brees out and you really think that is true?

That's a hypothetical discussion. Until Brees is no longer playing for the Saints, it's not a part of the discussion.

There's a draft and free agency each and every year. When Brees is no longer a part of the equation, then compensating for his absence becomes an issue, not before.

Also as stated earlier in this thread, a good defense can compensate for a young or average QB. So even in the hypothetical case of Brees' departure the Saints still need a better defense to compensate for the loss.

All I can tell you is if the Saints pick McCaffery at 11, I'll have the look that the Jets fans seemed to have at the draft each and every year:

SFIAH

hagan714 · 03-29-2017, 04:51 PM

11 - O.J. Howard TE Alabama 6056 251 4.51 #88 Sr

Let say Sharper is right and the white boy drops
32 - Christian McCaffrey RB/WR/KR Stanford 5115 205 4.48 Jr

The rumor is right and he goes in the 2nd not in the 3rd
42 - Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma 6011 226 4.50 #25 rSo

What the heck add another tool
76 - Adoree' Jackson CB/WR/KR/PR USC 5105 186 4.43 #2 Jr

Only thing missing is a power back with excellent blocking skill set.
103 - Brian Hill RB Wyoming 6010 219 4.54 #5 Jr

Lets see what saints nation would do. DC will be drinking heavy and dreading the day when they play the saints.

foreverfan · 03-29-2017, 06:34 PM

LOL SFIAH... or this guy....

Utah_Saint · 03-29-2017, 10:45 PM

"...a decent offense with an already great defense(Detroit)."

Detroit's defense ranked:
18th in total yards
13th in points allowed
30th in sacks
23rd in interceptions
19th in pass yards allowed
18th in rushing yards allowed
20th in yards per carry
22nd in yards per pass
31st in 3rd down percentage
22nd in 1st/Goal percentage.

What is it about their defense that makes you think it is "already great"?

|Mitch| · 03-29-2017, 10:49 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

"...a decent offense with an already great defense(Detroit)."

Detroit's defense ranked:
18th in total yards
13th in points allowed
30th in sacks
23rd in interceptions
19th in pass yards allowed
18th in rushing yards allowed
20th in yards per carry
22nd in yards per pass
31st in 3rd down percentage
22nd in 1st/Goal percentage.

What is it about their defense that makes you think it is "already great"?

Better than ours

03-29-2017, 11:34 AM	#2
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: Saints Pick Christian McCaffrey RB at #11 Originally Posted by Rsanders24 I would not be happy if we made that pick in the 1st round. We traded our most explosive player on offense to get better on defense. That is what we need to do....focus on defense. After last year we saw that you cannot have enough quality depth on that side of the ball. CM will probably be a good back but I'm concerned about his longevity at this level after how much Stanford used him. Also, if he's not an every down back then thats too high for him. We will use him in sub-packages and face it....we are not going to all of a sudden become a run heavy offense. I just don't think we will get the return we need at that pick. We are good at finding offensive talent in later picks. I still believe we need to go defense in the first round. And that is what Loomis clearly stated. We are going defense, probably the first 3 picks. Unless of course something insane happens which Loomis also stated that will also likely happen. I could see us trading up to get the best defender we can with the 11 and 32 then maybe offense right after it.
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03-29-2017, 01:32 PM	#3
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Saints Pick Christian McCaffrey RB at #11 Originally Posted by Rsanders24 I would not be happy if we made that pick in the 1st round. We traded our most explosive player on offense to get better on defense. That is what we need to do....focus on defense. After last year we saw that you cannot have enough quality depth on that side of the ball. I just don't see these two events being connected to one another. With Cooks, there was an upcoming long term big money investment coming starting with the $750k roster bonus due at the beginning of March. Why pour money into a guy that you don't plan to keep? Getting better on defense is a given, but I don't believe the motivation for trading Cooks was specifically to do that IMO. CM will probably be a good back but I'm concerned about his longevity at this level after how much Stanford used him. Also, if he's not an every down back then thats too high for him. We will use him in sub-packages and face it....we are not going to all of a sudden become a run heavy offense. I just don't think we will get the return we need at that pick. We are good at finding offensive talent in later picks. I still believe we need to go defense in the first round. I agree. The offense/defense talent imbalance is still tilted. The defense needs more, and better, people to catch up. SFIAH

03-29-2017, 02:02 PM	#4
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Pick Christian McCaffrey RB at #11 Originally Posted by SaintFanInATLHELL The offense/defense talent imbalance is still tilted. Take Drew Brees out and you really think that is true?

03-29-2017, 04:54 PM	#6
SaintFanInATLHELL The Professor Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Lithonia, GA Posts: 2,783	Re: Saints Pick Christian McCaffrey RB at #11 Originally Posted by foreverfan Take Drew Brees out and you really think that is true? That's a hypothetical discussion. Until Brees is no longer playing for the Saints, it's not a part of the discussion. There's a draft and free agency each and every year. When Brees is no longer a part of the equation, then compensating for his absence becomes an issue, not before. Also as stated earlier in this thread, a good defense can compensate for a young or average QB. So even in the hypothetical case of Brees' departure the Saints still need a better defense to compensate for the loss. All I can tell you is if the Saints pick McCaffery at 11, I'll have the look that the Jets fans seemed to have at the draft each and every year: SFIAH hagan714 and foreverfan like this.
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03-29-2017, 04:51 PM	#7
hagan714 LB Mentallity Join Date: Dec 2005 Posts: 15,870 Blog Entries: 68	Re: Saints Pick Christian McCaffrey RB at #11 11 - O.J. Howard TE Alabama 6056 251 4.51 #88 Sr Let say Sharper is right and the white boy drops 32 - Christian McCaffrey RB/WR/KR Stanford 5115 205 4.48 Jr The rumor is right and he goes in the 2nd not in the 3rd 42 - Joe Mixon, RB, Oklahoma 6011 226 4.50 #25 rSo What the heck add another tool 76 - Adoree' Jackson CB/WR/KR/PR USC 5105 186 4.43 #2 Jr Only thing missing is a power back with excellent blocking skill set. 103 - Brian Hill RB Wyoming 6010 219 4.54 #5 Jr Lets see what saints nation would do. DC will be drinking heavy and dreading the day when they play the saints. foreverfan likes this.
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03-29-2017, 10:24 AM	#1
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,493	Re: Saints Pick Christian McCaffrey RB at #11 I would not be happy if we made that pick in the 1st round. We traded our most explosive player on offense to get better on defense. That is what we need to do....focus on defense. After last year we saw that you cannot have enough quality depth on that side of the ball. CM will probably be a good back but I'm concerned about his longevity at this level after how much Stanford used him. Also, if he's not an every down back then thats too high for him. We will use him in sub-packages and face it....we are not going to all of a sudden become a run heavy offense. I just don't think we will get the return we need at that pick. We are good at finding offensive talent in later picks. I still believe we need to go defense in the first round. aquaboogie likes this.

03-29-2017, 02:31 PM	#5
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints Pick Christian McCaffrey RB at #11 Originally Posted by foreverfan Take Drew Brees out and you really think that is true? That's a what if that ain't coming true; at least not for a season or two...

03-29-2017, 06:34 PM	#8
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Saints Pick Christian McCaffrey RB at #11 LOL SFIAH... or this guy.... SaintFanInATLHELL and hagan714 like this.

03-29-2017, 10:45 PM	#9
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Saints Pick Christian McCaffrey RB at #11 "...a decent offense with an already great defense(Detroit)." Detroit's defense ranked: 18th in total yards 13th in points allowed 30th in sacks 23rd in interceptions 19th in pass yards allowed 18th in rushing yards allowed 20th in yards per carry 22nd in yards per pass 31st in 3rd down percentage 22nd in 1st/Goal percentage. What is it about their defense that makes you think it is "already great"? SaintFanInATLHELL likes this.

03-29-2017, 10:49 PM	#10
\|Mitch\| 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Alexandria, La Posts: 11,303	Re: Saints Pick Christian McCaffrey RB at #11 Originally Posted by Utah_Saint "...a decent offense with an already great defense(Detroit)." Detroit's defense ranked: 18th in total yards 13th in points allowed 30th in sacks 23rd in interceptions 19th in pass yards allowed 18th in rushing yards allowed 20th in yards per carry 22nd in yards per pass 31st in 3rd down percentage 22nd in 1st/Goal percentage. What is it about their defense that makes you think it is "already great"? Better than ours foreverfan likes this.

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