About the Joker RB thing

neugey · 05-02-2017, 08:26 AM

I can't help but wonder - did the Saints take a look at the guy who, if healthy (and indeed it is a huge, huge IF) is the ultimate Joker RB?

There's a pretty good chance the injuries have put a damper on Jamaal Charles' career and he will be a shadow of his former self indeed. But if Charles has a second wind and could get his old self back, could you imagine what he and Brees could do playing together? Would this have been a better gamble than AP?

jeanpierre · 05-02-2017, 08:52 AM

Originally Posted by neugey

I can't help but wonder - did the Saints take a look at the guy who, if healthy (and indeed it is a huge, huge IF) is the ultimate Joker RB?

There's a pretty good chance the injuries have put a damper on Jamaal Charles' career and he will be a shadow of his former self indeed. But if Charles has a second wind and could get his old self back, could you imagine what he and Brees could do playing together? Would this have been a better gamble than AP?

That was my criticism of spending two picks, including a valuable second round pick on a slot back, scat-back, or now a joker (running back)...

Rather than spend that kind of draft capital, wouldn't it have been better to sign one or two veterans to compete in camp and bridge to next year's draft.

For where we slotted into after that trade, we could have added a number of players who would seen more snaps than Kamara will...

We could have had DE Jordan Willis, LG Dan Feeney, DE Chris Wormley, DE Dawuane Smoot, WR Cooper Kupp or LB Duke Riley...

Seer1 · 05-02-2017, 10:49 AM

Yeah but, Sean needs his toys. I think he feels he's close enough that the joker'll make his the winning hand. His biological clock is ticking loudly. Another season running in the red could easily see him back coaching QBs at Dallas.

The Dude · 05-02-2017, 12:12 PM

Originally Posted by Seer1

Yeah but, Sean needs his toys. I think he feels he's close enough that the joker'll make his the winning hand. His biological clock is ticking loudly. Another season running in the red could easily see him back coaching QBs at Dallas.

If you think PAyton will be unemployed less than a day and at anything other than the head coach position you're nuts.

burningmetal · 05-02-2017, 11:16 AM

Jamaal Charles is a different kind of gamble in that he's almost always hurt. AP has had some injuries in recent years, but has usually come back strong, and just two years ago ran for almost 1500 yards. I think AP has plenty left in the tank for right now, but with Charles I just think it's too many injuries piled on top of each other. That would have been too much of a gamble.

I think the reason they drafted Kamara, whether it was right or not, is that they saw a guy with first round talent sitting there in the third and thought to themselves "Ingram and Peterson won't be around forever, so why not draft our guy now, and work him in slowly, rather than have to replace those guys a couple of years from now with a rookie".

Obviously, they can use Kamara in a Sproles/Bush type role, but unlike what most pundits are saying, I don't think he's quite that type of player. He is a good receiver, but I wouldn't define him as a scat back. He's a bit better of an all around RB, at least on paper. I really think they view him as the main guy in a couple of years.

I wouldn't have picked him there, though I do think he is a good value for what he is, but I'm trying think along with the Saints on this one to figure out what the reasoning was.

Seer1 · 05-02-2017, 11:28 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Jamaal Charles is a different kind of gamble in that he's almost always hurt. AP has had some injuries in recent years, but has usually come back strong, and just two years ago ran for almost 1500 yards. I think AP has plenty left in the tank for right now, but with Charles I just think it's too many injuries piled on top of each other. That would have been too much of a gamble.

I think the reason they drafted Kamara, whether it was right or not, is that they saw a guy with first round talent sitting there in the third and thought to themselves "Ingram and Peterson won't be around forever, so why not draft our guy now, and work him in slowly, rather than have to replace those guys a couple of years from now with a rookie".

Obviously, they can use Kamara in a Sproles/Bush type role, but unlike what most pundits are saying, I don't think he's quite that type of player. He is a good receiver, but I wouldn't define him as a scat back. He's a bit better of an all around RB, at least on paper. I really think they view him as the main guy in a couple years.

I wouldn't have picked him there, though I do think he is a good value for what he is, but I'm trying think along with the Saints on this one to figure out what the reasoning was.

I'll go with what you're saying there as I never had the chance to watch him play. Hearing the words quick and passing game attached to his description just had me assuming he was the missing piece for Sean in his backfield. This is going to be an interesting season. Can't wait!

burningmetal · 05-02-2017, 11:56 AM

Originally Posted by Seer1

I'll go with what you're saying there as I never had the chance to watch him play. Hearing the words quick and passing game attached to his description just had me assuming he was the missing piece for Sean in his backfield. This is going to be an interesting season. Can't wait!

Yeah, I think he will help kind of fill that void in Payton's system for now, but long term is capable of being the lead man, and if he reaches his potential, will create better opportunities for play-action than we've had in some time. For years we've had guys with defined roles, where you pretty much knew what the play was going to be, depending on which RB was in the game. That has always infuriated me. Kamara, in time, could finally solve that issue. So for that reason, I like him a lot. Giving up that second round pick did sting, though.

We shall see, in time.

jeanpierre · 05-02-2017, 05:25 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

Jamaal Charles is a different kind of gamble in that he's almost always hurt. AP has had some injuries in recent years, but has usually come back strong, and just two years ago ran for almost 1500 yards. I think AP has plenty left in the tank for right now, but with Charles I just think it's too many injuries piled on top of each other. That would have been too much of a gamble.

I think the reason they drafted Kamara, whether it was right or not, is that they saw a guy with first round talent sitting there in the third and thought to themselves "Ingram and Peterson won't be around forever, so why not draft our guy now, and work him in slowly, rather than have to replace those guys a couple of years from now with a rookie".

Obviously, they can use Kamara in a Sproles/Bush type role, but unlike what most pundits are saying, I don't think he's quite that type of player. He is a good receiver, but I wouldn't define him as a scat back. He's a bit better of an all around RB, at least on paper. I really think they view him as the main guy in a couple of years.

I wouldn't have picked him there, though I do think he is a good value for what he is, but I'm trying think along with the Saints on this one to figure out what the reasoning was.

If he was rated that high, why not spend pick No. 32 or No. 42 on him?

Really like the possibilities of Marcus Williams, but we've got several safeties already, one of which we spent two picks to get as well...

And Kamara at his current weight/build is not touching the ball for 20x's a game for 16 games...

And J Charles was the offense in KC, every defense keyed on him all game; here in New Orleans, he'd been a third-down back

AsylumGuido · 05-02-2017, 05:30 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

If he was rated that high, why not spend pick No. 32 or No. 42 on him?

Really like the possibilities of Marcus Williams, but we've got several safeties already, one of which we spent two picks to get as well...

And Kamara at his current weight/build is not touching the ball for 20x's a game for 16 games...

And J Charles was the offense in KC, every defense keyed on him all game; here in New Orleans, he'd been a third-down back

Because they could pick up other players they wanted and still get him later. Why use a #32 or #42 when you can use a #64 from next year?

SmashMouth · 05-02-2017, 05:35 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

If he was rated that high, why not spend pick No. 32 or No. 42 on him?

Really like the possibilities of Marcus Williams, but we've got several safeties already, one of which we spent two picks to get as well...

And Kamara at his current weight/build is not touching the ball for 20x's a game for 16 games...

And J Charles was the offense in KC, every defense keyed on him all game; here in New Orleans, he'd been a third-down back

But we were ranked almost dead last in pass defense last year...

05-02-2017, 08:26 AM	#1
neugey Hu Dat! Join Date: Dec 2004 Posts: 6,820 Blog Entries: 13	About the Joker RB thing I can't help but wonder - did the Saints take a look at the guy who, if healthy (and indeed it is a huge, huge IF) is the ultimate Joker RB? There's a pretty good chance the injuries have put a damper on Jamaal Charles' career and he will be a shadow of his former self indeed. But if Charles has a second wind and could get his old self back, could you imagine what he and Brees could do playing together? Would this have been a better gamble than AP?

05-02-2017, 08:52 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: About the Joker RB thing Originally Posted by neugey I can't help but wonder - did the Saints take a look at the guy who, if healthy (and indeed it is a huge, huge IF) is the ultimate Joker RB? There's a pretty good chance the injuries have put a damper on Jamaal Charles' career and he will be a shadow of his former self indeed. But if Charles has a second wind and could get his old self back, could you imagine what he and Brees could do playing together? Would this have been a better gamble than AP? That was my criticism of spending two picks, including a valuable second round pick on a slot back, scat-back, or now a joker (running back)... Rather than spend that kind of draft capital, wouldn't it have been better to sign one or two veterans to compete in camp and bridge to next year's draft. For where we slotted into after that trade, we could have added a number of players who would seen more snaps than Kamara will... We could have had DE Jordan Willis, LG Dan Feeney, DE Chris Wormley, DE Dawuane Smoot, WR Cooper Kupp or LB Duke Riley...
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05-02-2017, 12:12 PM	#4
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05-02-2017, 11:16 AM	#5
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: About the Joker RB thing Jamaal Charles is a different kind of gamble in that he's almost always hurt. AP has had some injuries in recent years, but has usually come back strong, and just two years ago ran for almost 1500 yards. I think AP has plenty left in the tank for right now, but with Charles I just think it's too many injuries piled on top of each other. That would have been too much of a gamble. I think the reason they drafted Kamara, whether it was right or not, is that they saw a guy with first round talent sitting there in the third and thought to themselves "Ingram and Peterson won't be around forever, so why not draft our guy now, and work him in slowly, rather than have to replace those guys a couple of years from now with a rookie". Obviously, they can use Kamara in a Sproles/Bush type role, but unlike what most pundits are saying, I don't think he's quite that type of player. He is a good receiver, but I wouldn't define him as a scat back. He's a bit better of an all around RB, at least on paper. I really think they view him as the main guy in a couple of years. I wouldn't have picked him there, though I do think he is a good value for what he is, but I'm trying think along with the Saints on this one to figure out what the reasoning was.
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05-02-2017, 11:56 AM	#7
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: About the Joker RB thing Originally Posted by Seer1 I'll go with what you're saying there as I never had the chance to watch him play. Hearing the words quick and passing game attached to his description just had me assuming he was the missing piece for Sean in his backfield. This is going to be an interesting season. Can't wait! Yeah, I think he will help kind of fill that void in Payton's system for now, but long term is capable of being the lead man, and if he reaches his potential, will create better opportunities for play-action than we've had in some time. For years we've had guys with defined roles, where you pretty much knew what the play was going to be, depending on which RB was in the game. That has always infuriated me. Kamara, in time, could finally solve that issue. So for that reason, I like him a lot. Giving up that second round pick did sting, though. We shall see, in time. AsylumGuido and Rugby Saint II like this.
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05-02-2017, 10:49 AM	#3
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: About the Joker RB thing Yeah but, Sean needs his toys. I think he feels he's close enough that the joker'll make his the winning hand. His biological clock is ticking loudly. Another season running in the red could easily see him back coaching QBs at Dallas. Rugby Saint II likes this.

05-02-2017, 11:28 AM	#6
Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: About the Joker RB thing Originally Posted by burningmetal Jamaal Charles is a different kind of gamble in that he's almost always hurt. AP has had some injuries in recent years, but has usually come back strong, and just two years ago ran for almost 1500 yards. I think AP has plenty left in the tank for right now, but with Charles I just think it's too many injuries piled on top of each other. That would have been too much of a gamble. I think the reason they drafted Kamara, whether it was right or not, is that they saw a guy with first round talent sitting there in the third and thought to themselves "Ingram and Peterson won't be around forever, so why not draft our guy now, and work him in slowly, rather than have to replace those guys a couple of years from now with a rookie". Obviously, they can use Kamara in a Sproles/Bush type role, but unlike what most pundits are saying, I don't think he's quite that type of player. He is a good receiver, but I wouldn't define him as a scat back. He's a bit better of an all around RB, at least on paper. I really think they view him as the main guy in a couple years. I wouldn't have picked him there, though I do think he is a good value for what he is, but I'm trying think along with the Saints on this one to figure out what the reasoning was. I'll go with what you're saying there as I never had the chance to watch him play. Hearing the words quick and passing game attached to his description just had me assuming he was the missing piece for Sean in his backfield. This is going to be an interesting season. Can't wait!

05-02-2017, 05:25 PM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: About the Joker RB thing Originally Posted by burningmetal Jamaal Charles is a different kind of gamble in that he's almost always hurt. AP has had some injuries in recent years, but has usually come back strong, and just two years ago ran for almost 1500 yards. I think AP has plenty left in the tank for right now, but with Charles I just think it's too many injuries piled on top of each other. That would have been too much of a gamble. I think the reason they drafted Kamara, whether it was right or not, is that they saw a guy with first round talent sitting there in the third and thought to themselves "Ingram and Peterson won't be around forever, so why not draft our guy now, and work him in slowly, rather than have to replace those guys a couple of years from now with a rookie". Obviously, they can use Kamara in a Sproles/Bush type role, but unlike what most pundits are saying, I don't think he's quite that type of player. He is a good receiver, but I wouldn't define him as a scat back. He's a bit better of an all around RB, at least on paper. I really think they view him as the main guy in a couple of years. I wouldn't have picked him there, though I do think he is a good value for what he is, but I'm trying think along with the Saints on this one to figure out what the reasoning was. If he was rated that high, why not spend pick No. 32 or No. 42 on him? Really like the possibilities of Marcus Williams, but we've got several safeties already, one of which we spent two picks to get as well... And Kamara at his current weight/build is not touching the ball for 20x's a game for 16 games... And J Charles was the offense in KC, every defense keyed on him all game; here in New Orleans, he'd been a third-down back

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: About the Joker RB thing Originally Posted by jeanpierre If he was rated that high, why not spend pick No. 32 or No. 42 on him? Really like the possibilities of Marcus Williams, but we've got several safeties already, one of which we spent two picks to get as well... And Kamara at his current weight/build is not touching the ball for 20x's a game for 16 games... And J Charles was the offense in KC, every defense keyed on him all game; here in New Orleans, he'd been a third-down back Because they could pick up other players they wanted and still get him later. Why use a #32 or #42 when you can use a #64 from next year? CharityMike likes this.

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SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,477 Blog Entries: 29	Re: About the Joker RB thing Originally Posted by jeanpierre If he was rated that high, why not spend pick No. 32 or No. 42 on him? Really like the possibilities of Marcus Williams, but we've got several safeties already, one of which we spent two picks to get as well... And Kamara at his current weight/build is not touching the ball for 20x's a game for 16 games... And J Charles was the offense in KC, every defense keyed on him all game; here in New Orleans, he'd been a third-down back But we were ranked almost dead last in pass defense last year...

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