Playoffs or bust?

skymike · 06-19-2017, 08:20 AM

We've had 3 consecutive disappointing seasons.

I dont see anything wrong with a guy on a fan board starting a discussion on
when are changes warranted, and what the standard should be, should this become a 4th consecutive disappointment.

Im not switching allegiance, and in fact, I support the team in person, but this is a legit question. I dont even think The Dude is predicting doom, and I certainly dont think he WANTS it. But if Bill Parcells is right, you are what your record is, and until Sept 11, we are a 7-9 team.

I'm as excited as anyone about 2017, and I'm rooting for us to go the Super Bowl, as I have every year since 1982. I hope optimism and reality intersect.

AsylumGuido · 06-19-2017, 08:42 AM

Originally Posted by skymike

We've had 3 consecutive disappointing seasons.

I dont see anything wrong with a guy on a fan board starting a discussion on
when are changes warranted, and what the standard should be, should this become a 4th consecutive disappointment.

Im not switching allegiance, and in fact, I support the team in person, but this is a legit question. I dont even think The Dude is predicting doom, and I certainly dont think he WANTS it. But if Bill Parcells is right, you are what your record is, and until Sept 11, we are a 7-9 team.

I'm as excited as anyone about 2017, and I'm rooting for us to go the Super Bowl, as I have every year since 1982. I hope optimism and reality intersect.

The Saints were 7-9 during the 2016 season. I think we can all agree that to this point the 2017 version is quite different based upon personnel, coaching and schedule. Until September 11 the Saints are 0-0.

spkb25 · 06-19-2017, 03:58 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The Saints were 7-9 during the 2016 season. I think we can all agree that to this point the 2017 version is quite different based upon personnel, coaching and schedule. Until September 11 the Saints are 0-0.

That's the equivalent of saying the Pats are no longer the SB champs or the day after we won our SB that we were no longer the champs. In all actuality until Sept. 11 we are 7-9

AsylumGuido · 06-19-2017, 04:28 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

That's the equivalent of saying the Pats are no longer the SB champs or the day after we won our SB that we were no longer the champs. In all actuality until Sept. 11 we are 7-9

The Patriots are the 2016-17 Super Bowl champs. You are correct. But, at this point when addressing the upcoming 2017-18 season, they are 0-0 just like the Saints, and for that matter, the Browns.

Last season's franchise had vastly different coaching, different players and a different schedule. They were what their record said they were ... 7-9. The upcoming team has yet to play a game. They are also what their record says they are ... "to be determined" and at this point 0-0.

The Dude · 06-19-2017, 05:49 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The Patriots are the 2016-17 Super Bowl champs. You are correct. But, at this point when addressing the upcoming 2017-18 season, they are 0-0 just like the Saints, and for that matter, the Browns.

Last season's franchise had vastly different coaching, different players and a different schedule. They were what their record said they were ... 7-9. The upcoming team has yet to play a game. They are also what their record says they are ... "to be determined" and at this point 0-0.

We are 7-9 until the first second comes off the clock upon kickoff. At that point all 32 teams are 0-0. History is made up of things that have occurred, not what could have occurred. Right now they are a 7-9 team and will be until the official start of the season. It's a burden you bear for being a loser just like the honor they carried after the super bowl.

Excuse us for tempering our enthusiasm but it's been the same set of "promises" "for the last 5 years.

AsylumGuido · 06-19-2017, 08:10 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

We are 7-9 until the first second comes off the clock upon kickoff. At that point all 32 teams are 0-0. History is made up of things that have occurred, not what could have occurred. Right now they are a 7-9 team and will be until the official start of the season. It's a burden you bear for being a loser just like the honor they carried after the super bowl.

Excuse us for tempering our enthusiasm but it's been the same set of "promises" "for the last 5 years.

You two keep living in the past. I look to the future. You dwell on the bad. I look forward to the good. You remember the recent mediocre past. I remember the Lombardi Trophy!

Go ahead and wallow in your continuous cesspool of negativity. Relish in it!

You are so sad.

AsylumGuido · 06-19-2017, 08:12 PM

Loser attitudes. Sad ...

spkb25 · 06-20-2017, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by The Dude

We are 7-9 until the first second comes off the clock upon kickoff. At that point all 32 teams are 0-0. History is made up of things that have occurred, not what could have occurred. Right now they are a 7-9 team and will be until the official start of the season. It's a burden you bear for being a loser just like the honor they carried after the super bowl.

Excuse us for tempering our enthusiasm but it's been the same set of "promises" "for the last 5 years.

The reality is that we fail in life despite our best efforts. When that happens you don't want to talk about your failure as if it is a success. You want to acknowledge how hard you fought and what you did better from the last time you failed. Then you want to work harder to succeed. Never has it worked to simply ignore your failures as if they don't exist. Doing that is delusional. You have to be honest with yourself so that you can improve. Some people on this board have an inability to do that and when others pull back that thin veil from their delusions they lash out.

AsylumGuido · 06-20-2017, 10:50 AM

Originally Posted by spkb25

The reality is that we fail in life despite our best efforts. When that happens you don't want to talk about your failure as if it is a success. You want to acknowledge how hard you fought and what you did better from the last time you failed. Then you want to work harder to succeed. Never has it worked to simply ignore your failures as if they don't exist. Doing that is delusional. You have to be honest with yourself so that you can improve. Some people on this board have an inability to do that and when others pull back that thin veil from their delusions they lash out.

You are once again acting like how you perceive things can have any affect on future outcomes. You have no impact. Nothing. Nada. What you said was true ... IF we were somehow empowered to have anything to do with how the Saints franchise is run. You don't get that. Looking back at failures as a fan is doing nothing but wallowing in negativity. There can be NO positives by the action as a fan.

You, my friend, are the one that is delusional.

Delusional

adjective
1.
having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions:
Fans believing that they have any affect on future success of their favorite franchise are delusional.
2.
Psychiatry. maintaining fixed false beliefs even when confronted with facts, usually as a result of mental illness:
He was so delusional and paranoid that he thought his constant highlighting of past failures could have any positive affect on matters totally out of his control.

Until the point in time when you become General Manager of the Saints you are spinning your wheels and pissing into the wind.

Myself, I am totally realistic. I know for a fact that there is nothing at all that I, or any other fan, can do personally to improve the fortune of my beloved Saints. Therefore, I choose to treat it as it is in reality ... entertainment. I get the most out of entertainment when looking at it in a positive manner. It makes me feel good. I can see reality.

spkb25 · 06-20-2017, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by skymike

We've had 3 consecutive disappointing seasons.

I dont see anything wrong with a guy on a fan board starting a discussion on
when are changes warranted, and what the standard should be, should this become a 4th consecutive disappointment.

Im not switching allegiance, and in fact, I support the team in person, but this is a legit question. I dont even think The Dude is predicting doom, and I certainly dont think he WANTS it. But if Bill Parcells is right, you are what your record is, and until Sept 11, we are a 7-9 team.

I'm as excited as anyone about 2017, and I'm rooting for us to go the Super Bowl, as I have every year since 1982. I hope optimism and reality intersect.

Solid post Mike, what are you expecting this year?

06-19-2017, 08:20 AM	#1
skymike E. Side Cholo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: The Barrio, H-town Posts: 6,089	Re: Playoffs or bust? We've had 3 consecutive disappointing seasons. I dont see anything wrong with a guy on a fan board starting a discussion on when are changes warranted, and what the standard should be, should this become a 4th consecutive disappointment. Im not switching allegiance, and in fact, I support the team in person, but this is a legit question. I dont even think The Dude is predicting doom, and I certainly dont think he WANTS it. But if Bill Parcells is right, you are what your record is, and until Sept 11, we are a 7-9 team. I'm as excited as anyone about 2017, and I'm rooting for us to go the Super Bowl, as I have every year since 1982. I hope optimism and reality intersect. jnormand, spkb25, dizzle88 and 1 others like this.

06-19-2017, 08:42 AM	#2
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by skymike We've had 3 consecutive disappointing seasons. I dont see anything wrong with a guy on a fan board starting a discussion on when are changes warranted, and what the standard should be, should this become a 4th consecutive disappointment. Im not switching allegiance, and in fact, I support the team in person, but this is a legit question. I dont even think The Dude is predicting doom, and I certainly dont think he WANTS it. But if Bill Parcells is right, you are what your record is, and until Sept 11, we are a 7-9 team. I'm as excited as anyone about 2017, and I'm rooting for us to go the Super Bowl, as I have every year since 1982. I hope optimism and reality intersect. The Saints were 7-9 during the 2016 season. I think we can all agree that to this point the 2017 version is quite different based upon personnel, coaching and schedule. Until September 11 the Saints are 0-0.

06-19-2017, 03:58 PM	#3
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,123	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The Saints were 7-9 during the 2016 season. I think we can all agree that to this point the 2017 version is quite different based upon personnel, coaching and schedule. Until September 11 the Saints are 0-0. That's the equivalent of saying the Pats are no longer the SB champs or the day after we won our SB that we were no longer the champs. In all actuality until Sept. 11 we are 7-9 skymike and The Dude like this.

06-19-2017, 04:28 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by spkb25 That's the equivalent of saying the Pats are no longer the SB champs or the day after we won our SB that we were no longer the champs. In all actuality until Sept. 11 we are 7-9 The Patriots are the 2016-17 Super Bowl champs. You are correct. But, at this point when addressing the upcoming 2017-18 season, they are 0-0 just like the Saints, and for that matter, the Browns. Last season's franchise had vastly different coaching, different players and a different schedule. They were what their record said they were ... 7-9. The upcoming team has yet to play a game. They are also what their record says they are ... "to be determined" and at this point 0-0.

06-19-2017, 05:49 PM	#5
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The Patriots are the 2016-17 Super Bowl champs. You are correct. But, at this point when addressing the upcoming 2017-18 season, they are 0-0 just like the Saints, and for that matter, the Browns. Last season's franchise had vastly different coaching, different players and a different schedule. They were what their record said they were ... 7-9. The upcoming team has yet to play a game. They are also what their record says they are ... "to be determined" and at this point 0-0. We are 7-9 until the first second comes off the clock upon kickoff. At that point all 32 teams are 0-0. History is made up of things that have occurred, not what could have occurred. Right now they are a 7-9 team and will be until the official start of the season. It's a burden you bear for being a loser just like the honor they carried after the super bowl. Excuse us for tempering our enthusiasm but it's been the same set of "promises" "for the last 5 years. spkb25 likes this.
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06-19-2017, 08:10 PM	#6
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by The Dude We are 7-9 until the first second comes off the clock upon kickoff. At that point all 32 teams are 0-0. History is made up of things that have occurred, not what could have occurred. Right now they are a 7-9 team and will be until the official start of the season. It's a burden you bear for being a loser just like the honor they carried after the super bowl. Excuse us for tempering our enthusiasm but it's been the same set of "promises" "for the last 5 years. You two keep living in the past. I look to the future. You dwell on the bad. I look forward to the good. You remember the recent mediocre past. I remember the Lombardi Trophy! Go ahead and wallow in your continuous cesspool of negativity. Relish in it! You are so sad.

06-19-2017, 08:12 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Playoffs or bust? Loser attitudes. Sad ...

06-20-2017, 09:56 AM	#8
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,123	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by The Dude We are 7-9 until the first second comes off the clock upon kickoff. At that point all 32 teams are 0-0. History is made up of things that have occurred, not what could have occurred. Right now they are a 7-9 team and will be until the official start of the season. It's a burden you bear for being a loser just like the honor they carried after the super bowl. Excuse us for tempering our enthusiasm but it's been the same set of "promises" "for the last 5 years. The reality is that we fail in life despite our best efforts. When that happens you don't want to talk about your failure as if it is a success. You want to acknowledge how hard you fought and what you did better from the last time you failed. Then you want to work harder to succeed. Never has it worked to simply ignore your failures as if they don't exist. Doing that is delusional. You have to be honest with yourself so that you can improve. Some people on this board have an inability to do that and when others pull back that thin veil from their delusions they lash out. The Dude likes this.
	Your team stinks

06-20-2017, 10:50 AM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,574	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by spkb25 The reality is that we fail in life despite our best efforts. When that happens you don't want to talk about your failure as if it is a success. You want to acknowledge how hard you fought and what you did better from the last time you failed. Then you want to work harder to succeed. Never has it worked to simply ignore your failures as if they don't exist. Doing that is delusional. You have to be honest with yourself so that you can improve. Some people on this board have an inability to do that and when others pull back that thin veil from their delusions they lash out. You are once again acting like how you perceive things can have any affect on future outcomes. You have no impact. Nothing. Nada. What you said was true ... IF we were somehow empowered to have anything to do with how the Saints franchise is run. You don't get that. Looking back at failures as a fan is doing nothing but wallowing in negativity. There can be NO positives by the action as a fan. You, my friend, are the one that is delusional. Delusional adjective 1. having false or unrealistic beliefs or opinions: Fans believing that they have any affect on future success of their favorite franchise are delusional. 2. Psychiatry. maintaining fixed false beliefs even when confronted with facts, usually as a result of mental illness: He was so delusional and paranoid that he thought his constant highlighting of past failures could have any positive affect on matters totally out of his control. Until the point in time when you become General Manager of the Saints you are spinning your wheels and pissing into the wind. Myself, I am totally realistic. I know for a fact that there is nothing at all that I, or any other fan, can do personally to improve the fortune of my beloved Saints. Therefore, I choose to treat it as it is in reality ... entertainment. I get the most out of entertainment when looking at it in a positive manner. It makes me feel good. I can see reality.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

06-20-2017, 06:27 PM	#10
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,123	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by skymike We've had 3 consecutive disappointing seasons. I dont see anything wrong with a guy on a fan board starting a discussion on when are changes warranted, and what the standard should be, should this become a 4th consecutive disappointment. Im not switching allegiance, and in fact, I support the team in person, but this is a legit question. I dont even think The Dude is predicting doom, and I certainly dont think he WANTS it. But if Bill Parcells is right, you are what your record is, and until Sept 11, we are a 7-9 team. I'm as excited as anyone about 2017, and I'm rooting for us to go the Super Bowl, as I have every year since 1982. I hope optimism and reality intersect. Solid post Mike, what are you expecting this year? skymike likes this.

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