Playoffs or bust?

Papa Voodoo · 06-21-2017, 10:54 AM

Barring numerous injuries at key positions I don't feel we will be a 7-9 team. Our record was last year so I get that but 3 games were lost due to game winning field goals being blocked and returned for touchdowns (the Denver one was a flagrant penalty and an OOB). One is rare, 3 are exceptionally rare.

Sean and Mickey have already proved that they know what it takes to make it to the playoffs, to win in the playoffs, to make it to the Superbowl, and to win it all. They have also shown they are aware of what it takes to have a strong to dominant team consistently. They have made significant changes in the off-season and added quality players at key positions. So, the only argument I can really see is that they have become complacent. It certainly does not appear to be the case.

spkb25 · 06-21-2017, 11:52 AM

Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo

Barring numerous injuries at key positions I don't feel we will be a 7-9 team. Our record was last year so I get that but 3 games were lost due to game winning field goals being blocked and returned for touchdowns (the Denver one was a flagrant penalty and an OOB). One is rare, 3 are exceptionally rare.

Sean and Mickey have already proved that they know what it takes to make it to the playoffs, to win in the playoffs, to make it to the Superbowl, and to win it all. They have also shown they are aware of what it takes to have a strong to dominant team consistently. They have made significant changes in the off-season and added quality players at key positions. So, the only argument I can really see is that they have become complacent. It certainly does not appear to be the case.

fair arguments, but it is 3 straight seasons of 7-9, 4 of the last 5. That said I also feel we are better than last season.

K Major · 06-21-2017, 12:20 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

fair arguments, but it is 3 straight seasons of 7-9, 4 of the last 5. That said I also feel we are better than last season.

Me too. Last season could have easily been a 10 win ball club if not for the crucial blunders on special teams that eventually cost us.

AsylumGuido · 06-21-2017, 12:22 PM

We all get that there were three straight years of 7-9 records AND four in five years. Why don't you just add it to your signature so you don't have to include the fact in every other post?

But let me point something out. In each of those four seasons there were a small handful of isolated plays that were the differences between ten wins and seven. The vast majority of the games in those four seasons were very competitive. The offense was one of the top in the NFL in each of those seasons. Bad teams do not win seven games. But, that was history. This is a vastly different team in most aspects than the team in those four years. It is time to move on.

AsylumGuido · 06-21-2017, 02:01 PM

Here is the relevant regulations in the NFLPA documentation:

B. Prohibited Conduct

Contract Advisors are prohibited from:
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(21) (a) Initiating any communication, directly or indirectly, with a player who has entered into a Standard Representation Agreement with another Contract Advisor and such Standard Representation Agreement is on file with the NFLPA if the communication concerns a matter relating to the:
(i) Player’s current Contract Advisor;
(ii) Player’s current Standard Representation Agreement;
(iii) Player’s contract status with any NFL Club(s); or
(iv) Services to be provided by prospective Contract Advisor either through a Standard Representation Agreement or otherwise.
(b) If a player, already a party to a Standard Representation Agreement, initiates communication with a Contract Advisor relating to any of the subject matters listed in Section 3(B)(21)(a) the Contract Advisor may continue communications with the Player regarding any of those matters.
(c) Section 3(B)(21) shall not apply to any player who has less than sixty (60) days remaining before his NFL Player Contract expires, and he has not yet signed a new Standard Representation Agreement with a Contract Advisor within the sixty (60) day period.

The Dude · 06-21-2017, 03:50 PM

But anyway I think if we win one of the first two games we will get the taste of losing early out of our mouths and have steam to build on moving forward. Starting strong for this team this year is key, more than ever. We don't want a Groundhog Day feeling in the locker room.

AsylumGuido · 06-21-2017, 04:48 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

But anyway I think if we win one of the first two games we will get the taste of losing early out of our mouths and have steam to build on moving forward. Starting strong for this team this year is key, more than ever. We don't want a Groundhog Day feeling in the locker room.

I would be shocked if we don't win the opener at Minny.

dizzle88 · 06-21-2017, 05:31 PM

I like to look at teams in an aspect of "what have you done lately?"

In these terms, the Saints haven't been relevant since 2013.

The patriots have 2 Super Bowl victories in that span and we have 3 consecutive 7-9 seasons.

I have no issues with Spkb bringing up the past, we have the freedom on a sports forum to discuss past failures, and that's what the Saints have been for 3 years, failures.

No amount of excuses change that, Sean Payton for instance expected a 37 year old Champ Bailey to win the starting corner job in 2014 and then had zero depth when he didn't play as expected.

You are only as good as your record says, and we are 7-9, consistently mediocre.

AsylumGuido · 06-21-2017, 06:04 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I like to look at teams in an aspect of "what have you done lately?"

In these terms, the Saints haven't been relevant since 2013.

The patriots have 2 Super Bowl victories in that span and we have 3 consecutive 7-9 seasons.

I have no issues with Spkb bringing up the past, we have the freedom on a sports forum to discuss past failures, and that's what the Saints have been for 3 years, failures.

No amount of excuses change that, Sean Payton for instance expected a 37 year old Champ Bailey to win the starting corner job in 2014 and then had zero depth when he didn't play as expected.

You are only as good as your record says, and we are 7-9, consistently mediocre.

So you are projecting another 7-9 this season based solely upon the past? Well, diz?

dizzle88 · 06-21-2017, 06:22 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

So you are projecting another 7-9 this season based solely upon the past? Well, diz?

I'm not projecting a 7-9 season, didn't say anything of the sort.

I said we have been consistently mediocre in the past. But I have no problem reflecting on past failures and identifying where the problems lie.

06-21-2017, 10:54 AM	#1
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,634	Re: Playoffs or bust? Barring numerous injuries at key positions I don't feel we will be a 7-9 team. Our record was last year so I get that but 3 games were lost due to game winning field goals being blocked and returned for touchdowns (the Denver one was a flagrant penalty and an OOB). One is rare, 3 are exceptionally rare. Sean and Mickey have already proved that they know what it takes to make it to the playoffs, to win in the playoffs, to make it to the Superbowl, and to win it all. They have also shown they are aware of what it takes to have a strong to dominant team consistently. They have made significant changes in the off-season and added quality players at key positions. So, the only argument I can really see is that they have become complacent. It certainly does not appear to be the case.

06-21-2017, 11:52 AM	#2
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,123	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by Papa Voodoo Barring numerous injuries at key positions I don't feel we will be a 7-9 team. Our record was last year so I get that but 3 games were lost due to game winning field goals being blocked and returned for touchdowns (the Denver one was a flagrant penalty and an OOB). One is rare, 3 are exceptionally rare. Sean and Mickey have already proved that they know what it takes to make it to the playoffs, to win in the playoffs, to make it to the Superbowl, and to win it all. They have also shown they are aware of what it takes to have a strong to dominant team consistently. They have made significant changes in the off-season and added quality players at key positions. So, the only argument I can really see is that they have become complacent. It certainly does not appear to be the case. fair arguments, but it is 3 straight seasons of 7-9, 4 of the last 5. That said I also feel we are better than last season. Papa Voodoo likes this.

06-21-2017, 12:20 PM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,801 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by spkb25 fair arguments, but it is 3 straight seasons of 7-9, 4 of the last 5. That said I also feel we are better than last season. Me too. Last season could have easily been a 10 win ball club if not for the crucial blunders on special teams that eventually cost us.

06-21-2017, 12:22 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,575	Re: Playoffs or bust? We all get that there were three straight years of 7-9 records AND four in five years. Why don't you just add it to your signature so you don't have to include the fact in every other post? But let me point something out. In each of those four seasons there were a small handful of isolated plays that were the differences between ten wins and seven. The vast majority of the games in those four seasons were very competitive. The offense was one of the top in the NFL in each of those seasons. Bad teams do not win seven games. But, that was history. This is a vastly different team in most aspects than the team in those four years. It is time to move on.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

06-21-2017, 02:01 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,575	Re: Playoffs or bust? Here is the relevant regulations in the NFLPA documentation: B. Prohibited Conduct Contract Advisors are prohibited from: . . . (21) (a) Initiating any communication, directly or indirectly, with a player who has entered into a Standard Representation Agreement with another Contract Advisor and such Standard Representation Agreement is on file with the NFLPA if the communication concerns a matter relating to the: (i) Player’s current Contract Advisor; (ii) Player’s current Standard Representation Agreement; (iii) Player’s contract status with any NFL Club(s); or (iv) Services to be provided by prospective Contract Advisor either through a Standard Representation Agreement or otherwise. (b) If a player, already a party to a Standard Representation Agreement, initiates communication with a Contract Advisor relating to any of the subject matters listed in Section 3(B)(21)(a) the Contract Advisor may continue communications with the Player regarding any of those matters. (c) Section 3(B)(21) shall not apply to any player who has less than sixty (60) days remaining before his NFL Player Contract expires, and he has not yet signed a new Standard Representation Agreement with a Contract Advisor within the sixty (60) day period.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

06-21-2017, 03:50 PM	#6
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Playoffs or bust? But anyway I think if we win one of the first two games we will get the taste of losing early out of our mouths and have steam to build on moving forward. Starting strong for this team this year is key, more than ever. We don't want a Groundhog Day feeling in the locker room. spkb25 likes this.
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06-21-2017, 04:48 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,575	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by The Dude But anyway I think if we win one of the first two games we will get the taste of losing early out of our mouths and have steam to build on moving forward. Starting strong for this team this year is key, more than ever. We don't want a Groundhog Day feeling in the locker room. I would be shocked if we don't win the opener at Minny.

06-21-2017, 05:31 PM	#8
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: Playoffs or bust? I like to look at teams in an aspect of "what have you done lately?" In these terms, the Saints haven't been relevant since 2013. The patriots have 2 Super Bowl victories in that span and we have 3 consecutive 7-9 seasons. I have no issues with Spkb bringing up the past, we have the freedom on a sports forum to discuss past failures, and that's what the Saints have been for 3 years, failures. No amount of excuses change that, Sean Payton for instance expected a 37 year old Champ Bailey to win the starting corner job in 2014 and then had zero depth when he didn't play as expected. You are only as good as your record says, and we are 7-9, consistently mediocre. jnormand and spkb25 like this.
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06-21-2017, 06:04 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,575	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by dizzle88 I like to look at teams in an aspect of "what have you done lately?" In these terms, the Saints haven't been relevant since 2013. The patriots have 2 Super Bowl victories in that span and we have 3 consecutive 7-9 seasons. I have no issues with Spkb bringing up the past, we have the freedom on a sports forum to discuss past failures, and that's what the Saints have been for 3 years, failures. No amount of excuses change that, Sean Payton for instance expected a 37 year old Champ Bailey to win the starting corner job in 2014 and then had zero depth when he didn't play as expected. You are only as good as your record says, and we are 7-9, consistently mediocre. So you are projecting another 7-9 this season based solely upon the past? Well, diz?

06-21-2017, 06:22 PM	#10
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,523	Re: Playoffs or bust? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido So you are projecting another 7-9 this season based solely upon the past? Well, diz? I'm not projecting a 7-9 season, didn't say anything of the sort. I said we have been consistently mediocre in the past. But I have no problem reflecting on past failures and identifying where the problems lie.

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