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Payton need to go?
this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Brees had that deer in the headlights look from the first snap... Payton preached all off-season about balance, running the ball more... He even signed Petersahn with other holes in the roster, especially O-line... Abandoned the run game by the ...
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09-11-2017, 09:56 PM
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Re: Payton need to go?
Brees had that deer in the headlights look from the first snap...
Payton preached all off-season about balance, running the ball more... He even signed Petersahn with other holes in the roster, especially O-line... Abandoned the run game by the second series, playing to the strengths of the Vikings Pass Defense? This is not smart Payton football... From what I saw tonight, Minnesota will be hosting the NFC Championship Game... And we just gave away Home-Field Advantage... But, here's the problem I had/have with Payton tonight... Payton's nature is to be aggressive - that's where he makes bread... And to not go for the touchdown in the red zone on fourth down, not once, not twice, but three times? Going contrary to his nature, that is what's bothering me right now... And save this BS title thread for Week 12... |
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09-11-2017, 10:13 PM
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Re: Payton need to go?
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
First, we're not going to the NFC championship game.
Second, the thread is appropriate because we are on our way to 7-9 for a fourth straight year. Is it possible we turn it all around and fix it, sure. Is it likely, no. So I am going to bring out this appropriately titled thread week 1 after 3 straight 7-9 seasons and what looked like 7-9 vs.4 |
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09-12-2017, 05:49 AM
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Re: Payton need to go?
Originally Posted by spkb25
Spike, criticisms of Payton's performance are fair, justified...
But this Bullshinski of the season being over after just one game, I would never want you are anyone that thinks like that the moment some adversity arises on my side in things... If this is still happening in Week 4, mistakes aren't corrected, adjustments aren't made, then that's different... And if Payton were cut loose now, I guarantee you that the 2017 Season would be done... |
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09-12-2017, 06:52 AM
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Re: Payton need to go?
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
We have heard the same song for 4 years now, although it started with Week 8 in 2014. Now we are down to Week 4. So progress in shortening the leash?
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09-12-2017, 07:31 AM
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Re: Payton need to go?
Originally Posted by Tobias-Reiper
Let's see what happens next week for starters...
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09-12-2017, 11:47 AM
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Re: Payton need to go?
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
No one is discussing a mid-season letting go of SP. That would be silly. The issue with having optimism comes from the fact that this season and this game do not sit an isolation. There is a recent trend that provides enough supporting data to infer that it is likely not going to be a good season.
That said, I will be here each week through all 16 games just like I have since '04. Not meaning '04 with the Saints, meaning with this board. I hope this means nothing. I hope we come out and play like gang busters. I am just giving my honest opinion on what I believe will happen based off of the information I have. |
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09-11-2017, 10:42 PM
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Re: Payton need to go?
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
The running game was not working. The swing passes weren't working. The downfield throws were, however, and THAT is what we simply didn't do enough of, in my opinion.
If we would run actual screen passes (not the same thing as a swing pass, though Payton must not agree with me) where we can catch their defense off guard, like they did to us, maybe we'd take some pressure off of Drew. Those swing passes are always telegraphed, and rarely work as a result. The Vikings offense will rank in the lower half of the league again, because they don't have great personnel and they don't run anything magical. We gave an NFL QB all the time he needed and busted in coverage over and over again. That will make any offense with a pulse look like the Vikings did tonight. |
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If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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09-12-2017, 06:05 AM
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Re: Payton need to go?
Originally Posted by burningmetal
Burningmetal, the running game not working is simply not true...
The Saints were leading the game 6-3 with a run-pass ratio of 16 run plays to 17 (14) pass plays; three of the pass plays were negated by penalty (hence the 17 (14) pass plays), two by the Vikings (T. Johnson - PF/Roughing Passer, E. Griffin - Offsides) and one by Saints (A. Peat - Holding)... Just because Ingram, Peterson, or Kamara tear off a run of 50 yds doesn't mean the run game wasn't successful... Agree with you about passing to the running backs; in the first half while in the lead 6-3, Brees' second longest completion was actually to Ingram for 18 yds... You mentioned telegraphed passes and the Vikings were definitely keyed on Kamara as Brees was 2 for 4 to Kamara for a net -6 yards in the first half - Payton was forcing it to Kamara when he should have used Ingram which would have kept the Vikes defense honest... |
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09-12-2017, 08:02 AM
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Re: Payton need to go?
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
You're entitled to your opinion if you believe that a fairly equal ratio of run to pass, equals success, but I disagree with you. The holes simply were not there, with the exception of two, maybe three runs. It's one of the main reasons we kept stalling and settling for field goals.
When we decided to throw the ball down the field, even a little bit, we had some success, which is why it was so maddening to see how gun shy Payton was about calling more aggressive plays. But, for some reason, when we got into the red zone we suddenly abandoned what got us there, and stalled. When we scored 10 points in the 4th quarter, we were throwing the ball down the field. It sure wasn't the running game that got us going then. Of course, we had to run the play clock down to 10 seconds or less on just about every play when we were supposed to be in hurry up. There was no sense of urgency, at any point, even when we started moving the ball. Their pace seemed to be conceding defeat, whether that was their intention or not. |
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If I had a nickel for every time I heard that, the NFL would fine and suspend me.
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09-13-2017, 10:15 AM
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Re: Payton need to go?
Watched the game again last night and confirmed play calling has got to be more patient with the run game - from a post earlier in the thread...
Originally Posted by jeanpierre
In the first half, we had RuYd plays of 9, 1, 3, 2, 2, 1, 4, 3, 3, 7, 2, 5, -1, 3, 2, 1...
Again, the 20 yd gashes are great, but this Vikings defense was third (3rd) in pass defense, but only twentieth (20th) in rush defense last season... So the recipe for beating these physical defenses like the Vikings, Seahawks and Broncos is too pound them, running it right at their edge rushers... And another thing I didn't see with the Ingram and Peterson runs was a lot of pull-zone blocking to open the field, instead trying to run at L. Joseph... Running those wide zone sweeps, exposing their pass rushers to those remember me hits from our physical guards... Believe Payton learned his lesson and the MNF beating in the second half will reinforce the lesson... |
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