Payton need to go?

nutria · 09-12-2017, 09:02 AM

Vikings got rid of their entire O line and Bradford had all the time in the world and played his best game ever against Saints. Brees is under pressure most of the game. Improved the defense and now no O line. Streif gone?

We can't play against a good defense, looking like 7-9 again.

burningmetal · 09-12-2017, 09:02 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Burningmetal, the running game not working is simply not true...

The Saints were leading the game 6-3 with a run-pass ratio of 16 run plays to 17 (14) pass plays; three of the pass plays were negated by penalty (hence the 17 (14) pass plays), two by the Vikings (T. Johnson - PF/Roughing Passer, E. Griffin - Offsides) and one by Saints (A. Peat - Holding)...

Just because Ingram, Peterson, or Kamara tear off a run of 50 yds doesn't mean the run game wasn't successful...

Agree with you about passing to the running backs; in the first half while in the lead 6-3, Brees' second longest completion was actually to Ingram for 18 yds...

You mentioned telegraphed passes and the Vikings were definitely keyed on Kamara as Brees was 2 for 4 to Kamara for a net -6 yards in the first half - Payton was forcing it to Kamara when he should have used Ingram which would have kept the Vikes defense honest...

You're entitled to your opinion if you believe that a fairly equal ratio of run to pass, equals success, but I disagree with you. The holes simply were not there, with the exception of two, maybe three runs. It's one of the main reasons we kept stalling and settling for field goals.

When we decided to throw the ball down the field, even a little bit, we had some success, which is why it was so maddening to see how gun shy Payton was about calling more aggressive plays. But, for some reason, when we got into the red zone we suddenly abandoned what got us there, and stalled.

When we scored 10 points in the 4th quarter, we were throwing the ball down the field. It sure wasn't the running game that got us going then. Of course, we had to run the play clock down to 10 seconds or less on just about every play when we were supposed to be in hurry up. There was no sense of urgency, at any point, even when we started moving the ball. Their pace seemed to be conceding defeat, whether that was their intention or not.

Euphoria · 09-12-2017, 09:02 AM

I think we are stuck with Sean and I don't think we'd be in any better shape without him.

Problem with this team started years ago and its taking some time to right the ship. We have been sticking a bandaide on the Titanic thinking that is going to fix it.

Instead of drafting Ingram when we did we should have been addressing the O line. Yes its nice to have horses but when you can't block for them they will look like crap.

The Dude · 09-12-2017, 09:24 AM

I agree. I'm going to hold out hope that the offense struggled because they didn't get many reps in the preseason. That's what I'm telling myself at least. Unfortunately the Oline did play and they weren't one iota better than preseason.

K Major · 09-12-2017, 09:45 AM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Why did we activate FOUR RB's ???? And not sterling moore or Ken crawley. DA come on Im trying to wait 4 weks before I call for your head but you are making it hard. What I hate the most is having to hear how magical Sam Bradford is.

I didn't get this one (Harris over Crawley) either. Sterling Moore should have seen the field a lot more than Devante'. He was exposed consistently in pre season .. we are playing zone inside the red zone. WTF? I'm no longer buying what Dennis Allen is selling.

And to think Jim Schwartz was available when they inked DA as DC.

NonieT · 09-12-2017, 10:30 AM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Why did we activate FOUR RB's ???? And not sterling moore or Ken crawley. DA come on Im trying to wait 4 weks before I call for your head but you are making it hard. What I hate the most is having to hear how magical Sam Bradford is.

Moore was active. They just didn't use him. Vonn Bell either.

halloween 65 · 09-12-2017, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by NonieT

Moore was active. They just didn't use him. Vonn Bell either.

Yes. Still scratching my head with that move.

spkb25 · 09-12-2017, 12:47 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Spike, criticisms of Payton's performance are fair, justified...

But this Bullshinski of the season being over after just one game, I would never want you are anyone that thinks like that the moment some adversity arises on my side in things...

If this is still happening in Week 4, mistakes aren't corrected, adjustments aren't made, then that's different...

And if Payton were cut loose now, I guarantee you that the 2017 Season would be done...

No one is discussing a mid-season letting go of SP. That would be silly. The issue with having optimism comes from the fact that this season and this game do not sit an isolation. There is a recent trend that provides enough supporting data to infer that it is likely not going to be a good season.

That said, I will be here each week through all 16 games just like I have since '04. Not meaning '04 with the Saints, meaning with this board. I hope this means nothing. I hope we come out and play like gang busters. I am just giving my honest opinion on what I believe will happen based off of the information I have.

spkb25 · 09-12-2017, 01:04 PM

Originally Posted by Euphoria

I think we are stuck with Sean and I don't think we'd be in any better shape without him.

Problem with this team started years ago and its taking some time to right the ship. We have been sticking a bandaide on the Titanic thinking that is going to fix it.

Instead of drafting Ingram when we did we should have been addressing the O line. Yes its nice to have horses but when you can't block for them they will look like crap.

Oline and dline is where we should have been investing, we got whooped at both last night, no wonder we lost

NOLA54 · 09-12-2017, 01:09 PM

I don't believe in this team, coaches or GM. How many loosing seasons will it take before big changes happen?

09-12-2017, 09:02 AM	#61
nutria Sac-A-Lait Join Date: May 2006 Location: Prairieville, LA Posts: 262	Re: Payton need to go? Vikings got rid of their entire O line and Bradford had all the time in the world and played his best game ever against Saints. Brees is under pressure most of the game. Improved the defense and now no O line. Streif gone? We can't play against a good defense, looking like 7-9 again.

09-12-2017, 09:02 AM	#62
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Burningmetal, the running game not working is simply not true... The Saints were leading the game 6-3 with a run-pass ratio of 16 run plays to 17 (14) pass plays; three of the pass plays were negated by penalty (hence the 17 (14) pass plays), two by the Vikings (T. Johnson - PF/Roughing Passer, E. Griffin - Offsides) and one by Saints (A. Peat - Holding)... Just because Ingram, Peterson, or Kamara tear off a run of 50 yds doesn't mean the run game wasn't successful... Agree with you about passing to the running backs; in the first half while in the lead 6-3, Brees' second longest completion was actually to Ingram for 18 yds... You mentioned telegraphed passes and the Vikings were definitely keyed on Kamara as Brees was 2 for 4 to Kamara for a net -6 yards in the first half - Payton was forcing it to Kamara when he should have used Ingram which would have kept the Vikes defense honest... You're entitled to your opinion if you believe that a fairly equal ratio of run to pass, equals success, but I disagree with you. The holes simply were not there, with the exception of two, maybe three runs. It's one of the main reasons we kept stalling and settling for field goals. When we decided to throw the ball down the field, even a little bit, we had some success, which is why it was so maddening to see how gun shy Payton was about calling more aggressive plays. But, for some reason, when we got into the red zone we suddenly abandoned what got us there, and stalled. When we scored 10 points in the 4th quarter, we were throwing the ball down the field. It sure wasn't the running game that got us going then. Of course, we had to run the play clock down to 10 seconds or less on just about every play when we were supposed to be in hurry up. There was no sense of urgency, at any point, even when we started moving the ball. Their pace seemed to be conceding defeat, whether that was their intention or not. neugey likes this.
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09-12-2017, 09:02 AM	#63
Euphoria 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Hollywood, CA Posts: 7,601 Blog Entries: 5	Re: Payton need to go? I think we are stuck with Sean and I don't think we'd be in any better shape without him. Problem with this team started years ago and its taking some time to right the ship. We have been sticking a bandaide on the Titanic thinking that is going to fix it. Instead of drafting Ingram when we did we should have been addressing the O line. Yes its nice to have horses but when you can't block for them they will look like crap.

09-12-2017, 09:24 AM	#64
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,048	Re: Payton need to go? I agree. I'm going to hold out hope that the offense struggled because they didn't get many reps in the preseason. That's what I'm telling myself at least. Unfortunately the Oline did play and they weren't one iota better than preseason. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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09-12-2017, 09:45 AM	#65
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,619 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Why did we activate FOUR RB's ???? And not sterling moore or Ken crawley. DA come on Im trying to wait 4 weks before I call for your head but you are making it hard. What I hate the most is having to hear how magical Sam Bradford is. I didn't get this one (Harris over Crawley) either. Sterling Moore should have seen the field a lot more than Devante'. He was exposed consistently in pre season .. we are playing zone inside the red zone. WTF? I'm no longer buying what Dennis Allen is selling. And to think Jim Schwartz was available when they inked DA as DC. neugey and ChrisXVI like this.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by NonieT Moore was active. They just didn't use him. Vonn Bell either. Yes. Still scratching my head with that move. neugey likes this.

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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by jeanpierre Spike, criticisms of Payton's performance are fair, justified... But this Bullshinski of the season being over after just one game, I would never want you are anyone that thinks like that the moment some adversity arises on my side in things... If this is still happening in Week 4, mistakes aren't corrected, adjustments aren't made, then that's different... And if Payton were cut loose now, I guarantee you that the 2017 Season would be done... No one is discussing a mid-season letting go of SP. That would be silly. The issue with having optimism comes from the fact that this season and this game do not sit an isolation. There is a recent trend that provides enough supporting data to infer that it is likely not going to be a good season. That said, I will be here each week through all 16 games just like I have since '04. Not meaning '04 with the Saints, meaning with this board. I hope this means nothing. I hope we come out and play like gang busters. I am just giving my honest opinion on what I believe will happen based off of the information I have.
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spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,097	Re: Payton need to go? Originally Posted by Euphoria I think we are stuck with Sean and I don't think we'd be in any better shape without him. Problem with this team started years ago and its taking some time to right the ship. We have been sticking a bandaide on the Titanic thinking that is going to fix it. Instead of drafting Ingram when we did we should have been addressing the O line. Yes its nice to have horses but when you can't block for them they will look like crap. Oline and dline is where we should have been investing, we got whooped at both last night, no wonder we lost halloween 65 likes this.

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