What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago

nola_swammi · 10-29-2017, 11:09 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

I disagree, that ****'s unacceptable. The Saints rank 30th in the league allowing 4.9 yards per carry. It's one thing when a guy gets beat, that's football. It's another when a guy just blows his responsibility. This stuff is supposed to be worked out in preseason.

Dalvin Cooks had his best run of the season against the Saints
Amheer Abdullah had his best run of the season against the Saints
Johnathan Stewart had his best run of the season against the Saints
Brett Hundley had his best run of the season against the Saints
Aaron Jones had his best run of the season against the Saints
Jordan Howard had his best run of the season against the Saints
Mitch Trubisky had his best run of the season against the Saints

When it happens every three or four games, then it's "oh well, **** happens", when it happens all the time and 7 players in 7 games have had their best runs against us, it's a pattern.

We need a Mlb. manti teo just not producing enough when he is in there. I don't know if it has anything to do with less snap plays in game situations or his diagnosis of plays is slow. I did notice when they moved Robertson to mlb and dropped Vacarro into wlb they slowed down that rushing attack

Rell&Gold · 10-29-2017, 04:44 PM

Ken Crawley worries me in run defense and tackling

ChrisXVI · 10-29-2017, 04:49 PM

I learned that Willie Snead is being phased out.

dizzle88 · 10-29-2017, 05:08 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I learned that Willie Snead is being phased out.

And whenever he doesn't play, our O sucks on third down. 2-8 today.

K Major · 10-29-2017, 06:07 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I learned that Willie Snead is being phased out.

Credit Brandon Coleman ... but I don't think Snead is 100% healthy.

jeanpierre · 10-29-2017, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

The Saints defense has to improve their gap discipline. They completely blew those two big runs. Howard for 50 and Trubisky for 46.

Without those two, the Bears were 61 yards on 29 carries for 2.1 yards per carry and completely outta the game.

The D dominated in the passing game. Trubisky was 14/32 for 164, 5.1 yards/attempt, 46.9 Passer Rating.

Instead, due to boneheaded gap coverage, they gave up 31 rushes for 157 yards at 5.1 yards/attempts.

Pathetic.

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’m not mad about the two long runs the Bears broke. It happens. We sent the all out blitz and he just happened to slip away. We sold out for the safety and Howard was able to make us pay. **** happens when you’re playing aggressively.

Utah, that's a great observation; know one of those missed gap assignments was Onyemata, and he's got to do better in basic skills...

Without that run, we probably have great field position and another score; run defense gap assignment, responsibilities is Day One Basic...

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Ken Crawley worries me in run defense and tackling

I'll live with it as long as his pass rating coverage is among league best; we've got this other guy who's coming off reserve, injured status...

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I learned that Willie Snead is being phased out.

Originally Posted by dizzle88

And whenever he doesn't play, our O sucks on third down. 2-8 today.

If we're in fact preparing for life after Snead, get Carr active now; we're needing what Willie has given to extend drives on 3rd downs...

Don't get how we're using Tommylea Lewis in vertical games where he lacks vertical speed and is giving up over a foot in reach just seems asinine...

We should be using him underneath and swing routes, wearing down those linebackers and safeties for the bigger receivers to take advantage...

brees84 · 10-29-2017, 05:34 PM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Ken Crawley worries me in run defense and tackling

Awful tackler. Big weakness in his game. Frustrating, because he can really cover.

skoonix · 10-29-2017, 05:12 PM

Well put! These were the kind of games we'd find a way to lose back in the day. Thrilled with how the D is playing. After an 0-2 start, this team is a'rollin -
GO SAINTS!!!

Seer1 · 10-29-2017, 06:01 PM

Da Bears seemed to be converting way too many third and longs. Was that so or is that just me?

SaintGnome · 10-29-2017, 06:46 PM

We've really got to figure out how to close out games offensively, seriously. I get that we want to run to burn clock, but it seems to me that doesn't necessarily mean we need to jam Ingram up the center. Can we do some misdirection (like we do earlier in the games)? Some end arounds, maybe a flea flicker, a faked end around, something??

10-29-2017, 11:09 PM	#1
nola_swammi 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Monroe, La Posts: 2,627	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Originally Posted by Utah_Saint I disagree, that **'s unacceptable. The Saints rank 30th in the league allowing 4.9 yards per carry. It's one thing when a guy gets beat, that's football. It's another when a guy just blows his responsibility. This stuff is supposed to be worked out in preseason. Dalvin Cooks had his best run of the season against the Saints Amheer Abdullah had his best run of the season against the Saints Johnathan Stewart had his best run of the season against the Saints Brett Hundley had his best run of the season against the Saints Aaron Jones had his best run of the season against the Saints Jordan Howard had his best run of the season against the Saints Mitch Trubisky had his best run of the season against the Saints When it happens every three or four games, then it's "oh well, ** happens", when it happens all the time and 7 players in 7 games have had their best runs against us, it's a pattern. We need a Mlb. manti teo just not producing enough when he is in there. I don't know if it has anything to do with less snap plays in game situations or his diagnosis of plays is slow. I did notice when they moved Robertson to mlb and dropped Vacarro into wlb they slowed down that rushing attack K Major likes this.

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Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Ken Crawley worries me in run defense and tackling Euphoria and MatthewT like this.

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ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago I learned that Willie Snead is being phased out. MatthewT and RockyMountainSaint like this.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,541	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I learned that Willie Snead is being phased out. And whenever he doesn't play, our O sucks on third down. 2-8 today. MatthewT, jeanpierre, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,838 Blog Entries: 3	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I learned that Willie Snead is being phased out. Credit Brandon Coleman ... but I don't think Snead is 100% healthy. hagan714 likes this.

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jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Originally Posted by Utah_Saint The Saints defense has to improve their gap discipline. They completely blew those two big runs. Howard for 50 and Trubisky for 46. Without those two, the Bears were 61 yards on 29 carries for 2.1 yards per carry and completely outta the game. The D dominated in the passing game. Trubisky was 14/32 for 164, 5.1 yards/attempt, 46.9 Passer Rating. Instead, due to boneheaded gap coverage, they gave up 31 rushes for 157 yards at 5.1 yards/attempts. Pathetic. Originally Posted by rezburna I’m not mad about the two long runs the Bears broke. It happens. We sent the all out blitz and he just happened to slip away. We sold out for the safety and Howard was able to make us pay. ** happens when you’re playing aggressively. Utah, that's a great observation; know one of those missed gap assignments was Onyemata, and he's got to do better in basic skills... Without that run, we probably have great field position and another score; run defense gap assignment, responsibilities is Day One Basic... Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Ken Crawley worries me in run defense and tackling I'll live with it as long as his pass rating coverage is among league best; we've got this other guy who's coming off reserve, injured status... Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I learned that Willie Snead is being phased out. Originally Posted by dizzle88** And whenever he doesn't play, our O sucks on third down. 2-8 today. If we're in fact preparing for life after Snead, get Carr active now; we're needing what Willie has given to extend drives on 3rd downs... Don't get how we're using Tommylea Lewis in vertical games where he lacks vertical speed and is giving up over a foot in reach just seems asinine... We should be using him underneath and swing routes, wearing down those linebackers and safeties for the bigger receivers to take advantage... SmashMouth likes this.
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brees84 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,015	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Ken Crawley worries me in run defense and tackling Awful tackler. Big weakness in his game. Frustrating, because he can really cover. MatthewT, Rell&Gold and K Major like this.
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skoonix Rookie Join Date: Oct 2017 Posts: 8	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Well put! These were the kind of games we'd find a way to lose back in the day. Thrilled with how the D is playing. After an 0-2 start, this team is a'rollin - GO SAINTS!!!
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Seer1 Site Donor Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Bayou Bayfield CO Posts: 4,722	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago Da Bears seemed to be converting way too many third and longs. Was that so or is that just me? Rugby Saint II likes this.

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SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: What we learned from the Saints' close win vs. Chicago We've really got to figure out how to close out games offensively, seriously. I get that we want to run to burn clock, but it seems to me that doesn't necessarily mean we need to jam Ingram up the center. Can we do some misdirection (like we do earlier in the games)? Some end arounds, maybe a flea flicker, a faked end around, something?? Rugby Saint II likes this.

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