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jeanpierre 01-15-2018 07:53 PM
2018 NFL Free Agency
 

  1. QB Drew Brees
  2. S Kenny Vaccaro
  3. G Senio Kelemete
  4. DE Alex Okafor
  5. S Rafael Bush
  6. LB Gerald Hodges
  7. LB Michael Mauti
  8. CB Sterling Moore
  9. FB John Kuhn
  10. FB Zach Line
  11. G Josh LeRibeus
  12. DE George Johnson
  13. DE Kasim Edebali
  14. TE John Phillips
  15. QB Chase Daniel
  16. TE Clay Harbor
  17. DT Tony McDaniel
  18. DT John Hughes
  19. LB Jonathan Freeny

hagan714 01-15-2018 07:58 PM
Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency
 
Heck of a list

jeanpierre 01-15-2018 08:02 PM
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Can see re-signing the top 10 (Brees, Vaccaro, Kelemete, Okafor, Bush, Hodges, Mauti, Moore, Kuhn, Line) with Vaccaro being the biggest wildcard...

Saints FO probably know whether Vaccaro was limited more by the torn groin muscle (from bone) these past couple years or poor play; then there's the asking price...

jeanpierre 01-15-2018 08:07 PM
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LivnaLieTimay 01-15-2018 08:12 PM
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I want Jimmy Graham back in Black and Gold. Don't know exactly what he's going to cost but he would fill a huge need on offense. I think if he came back we'd see him regain his pro bowl form with Drew as his QB.

ChrisXVI 01-15-2018 08:14 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LivnaLieTimay (Post 789612)
I want Jimmy Graham back in Black and Gold. Don't know exactly what he's going to cost but he would fill a huge need on offense. I think if he came back we'd see him regain his pro bowl form with Drew as his QB.
I don’t think it’s even an option. I think he was part of the locker room purge of “me first” players.

jeanpierre 01-15-2018 08:15 PM
Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by LivnaLieTimay (Post 789612)
I want Jimmy Graham back in Black and Gold. Don't know exactly what he's going to cost but he would fill a huge need on offense. I think if he came back we'd see him regain his pro bowl form with Drew as his QB.
We've still got interior defensive line to address, interior offensive line, probably now safety...

Graham isn't coming back at Fleener's salary slot which is what the Saints are gonna want to spend...

jeanpierre 01-15-2018 08:16 PM
Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency
 
They'll probably get the franchise tag, but I'd love to snag DE Demarcus Lawrence and DT Dontari Poe...

LivnaLieTimay 01-15-2018 08:22 PM
Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 789614)
We've still got interior defensive line to address, interior offensive line, probably now safety...

Graham isn't coming back at Fleener's salary slot which is what the Saints are gonna want to spend...
During Drew's best years he always had a playmaker at TE. It's a position that needs to be addressed. They need to bring someone in, draft or free agency, that they feel confident can make some plays on 3rd down and in the redzone. Doesn't have to be Jimmy but it needs to be addressed along with the positions you mentioned and at lb and wr.

jeanpierre 01-15-2018 08:24 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LivnaLieTimay (Post 789616)
During Drew's best years he always had a playmaker at TE. It's a position that needs to be addressed. They need to bring someone in, draft or free agency, that they feel confident can make some plays on 3rd down and in the redzone. Doesn't have to be Jimmy but it needs to be addressed along with the positions you mentioned and at lb and wr.
What did you call this year?

ChrisXVI 01-15-2018 08:31 PM
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The upcoming crop of free agent TE’s is horrendous. We’re not finding the answer there. There’s a ton of great options in the draft though... Mark Andrews, Dallas Goedert, Mike Gesicki, Hayden Hurst, Troy Fumagalli, etc.

Beastmode 01-15-2018 08:51 PM
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Maybe 3 solid tights ends; Gronk, Kelce and Ertz. The drop off from there is a long one. No way Jimmy is coming back here either. It would be like Shockey returning to the Giants after leaving. Too much bad blood. I would not draft one.

LivnaLieTimay 01-15-2018 08:58 PM
Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 789620)
Maybe 3 solid tights ends; Gronk, Kelce and Ertz. The drop off from there is a long one. No way Jimmy is coming back here either. It would be like Shockey returning to the Giants after leaving. Too much bad blood.
I have no idea what happened behind closed doors and if it was bad then he's not the answer. I'm just throwing out that I think that's a position that needs to be addressed through the draft or free agency.

CharityMike 01-15-2018 09:00 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 789618)
The upcoming crop of free agent TE’s is horrendous. We’re not finding the answer there. There’s a ton of great options in the draft though... Mark Andrews, Dallas Goedert, Mike Gesicki, Hayden Hurst, Troy Fumagalli, etc.
Agree..draft is gonna have to be where we get one.

Beastmode 01-15-2018 09:01 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LivnaLieTimay (Post 789621)
I have no idea what happened behind closed doors and if it was bad then he's not the answer. I'm just throwing out that I think that's a position that needs to be addressed through the draft or free agency.
It was not behind closed door. Jimmy blew up in the media about the Saints. Dropping F bombs and calling out the whole organization.

LivnaLieTimay 01-15-2018 09:15 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 789623)
It was not behind closed door. Jimmy blew up in the media about the Saints. Dropping F bombs and calling out the whole organization.
Must of missed that drama, don't remember that.

ChrisXVI 01-15-2018 09:29 PM
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Who we bringing in from the CFL this year? Anybody know any prospects up north that we should take a look at?

Beastmode 01-15-2018 09:41 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LivnaLieTimay (Post 789625)
Must of missed that drama, don't remember that.
You don't remember when he wanted WR money and we would not give it to him? It was a big deal. He is still livid about it.

blackangold 01-15-2018 10:56 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Beastmode (Post 789628)
You don't remember when he wanted WR money and we would not give it to him? It was a big deal. He is still livid about it.
We pretty much did give it to him, then traded him the next year.

I would like him back. It would be an instant boost to the offense, he has gotten better at blocking too.

The signing of fleener ranks up there with worst FA signings for the saints. I'll never understand the money they paid that guy, there had to be a lot of GMs going wtf.

Would like to get a mean DT or DE in FA. Rankins is a bust and the lack of Nick this year showed he isn't able to anchor the Dline.

Saint in Aus 01-15-2018 11:05 PM
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How is our salary cap looking this year?

Crusader 01-16-2018 12:11 AM
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I could see:

DE George Johnson
DT Tony McDaniel
DT John Hughes

Getting brought back on the cheap. Especially Johnson who performed well the last couple of games.

jeanpierre 01-16-2018 03:12 AM
Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by blackangold (Post 789633)
We pretty much did give it to him, then traded him the next year.

I would like him back. It would be an instant boost to the offense, he has gotten better at blocking too.

The signing of fleener ranks up there with worst FA signings for the saints. I'll never understand the money they paid that guy, there had to be a lot of GMs going wtf.

Would like to get a mean DT or DE in FA. Rankins is a bust and the lack of Nick this year showed he isn't able to anchor the Dline.
And that's yet another in a long list of WTF FA signings by the Mickster that makes me question his being our GM...

jeanpierre 01-16-2018 03:13 AM
Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 789636)
I could see:

DE George Johnson
DT Tony McDaniel
DT John Hughes

Getting brought back on the cheap. Especially Johnson who performed well the last couple of games.
There should be better options in Free Agency so long as we're not trying to sign another 31 year old retread running back first...

dizzle88 01-16-2018 07:20 AM
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Don't want Graham back, especially after the "glad you got out of there" tweet he sent when Akiem Hicks left.

I really want us to push for a wide receiver, TE and then draft heavy front 7. Get Michael Thomas and Cam Jordan each a running mate to play opposite them and we are seriously in business.

I'm intrigued to see what Happens with Brees though, how much will he value his services at and where do the Saints draw the line and look to the future.

jeanpierre 03-03-2018 07:16 AM
Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 789669)
Don't want Graham back, especially after the "glad you got out of there" tweet he sent when Akiem Hicks left.

I really want us to push for a wide receiver, TE and then draft heavy front 7. Get Michael Thomas and Cam Jordan each a running mate to play opposite them and we are seriously in business.

I'm intrigued to see what Happens with Brees though, how much will he value his services at and where do the Saints draw the line and look to the future.
So do you think there's still bitterness there between Team and Graham?

jeanpierre 03-03-2018 06:02 PM
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Priority Re-signs for the Saints:

UFAs

QB 09 Drew Brees

FB 29 John Kuhn

FB 42 Zach Line

TE 86 John Phillips

OL 65 Senio Kelemete (yeah, I know - but I Believe)

LB 56 Michael Mauti

LB 55 Jonathan Freeny

RFAs

WR 83 Willie Snead IV

WR 16 Brandon Coleman

CB 40 Delvin Breaux

NT 58 David Parry

Vaccaro is gone. Okafor can't stay healthy and a late achilles will linger all season. CB Sterling Moore requested release early last season with little playing time is gone. DE Edebali doesn't fit, we've got better even though we need to get better at DE. Our season is over if QB Chase Daniel takes over, we should've signed Nick Foles last season, damnit. S Rafael Bush would be welcomed back as solid depth, but would he want to be back on such a deep roster at safety?

jeanpierre 03-03-2018 09:03 PM
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jeanpierre 03-04-2018 08:58 AM
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Really like Melvin's size, he'd be affordable and complement our CB group well...

lee909 03-04-2018 09:28 AM
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Damn lost my post

Is Star Lotulelei worth a look
Play dropped of but good against the run and would be a good rotation with our other DT. If not Dominique Easley on a one year cheap prove it deal.


Jordan Matthews ,Marqise Lee interesting ideas for WR

jeanpierre 03-04-2018 11:25 AM
Re: 2018 NFL Free Agency
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Crusader (Post 789636)
I could see:

DE George Johnson
DT Tony McDaniel
DT John Hughes

Getting brought back on the cheap. Especially Johnson who performed well the last couple of games.
Last year's signing of Fairley hurt us because we didn't have time nor enough money to get another moose on the defensive line...

There are far better available this early in the game than those last second brutes...

Quote:
Originally Posted by lee909 (Post 793415)
Damn lost my post

Is Star Lotulelei worth a look
Play dropped of but good against the run and would be a good rotation with our other DT. If not Dominique Easley on a one year cheap prove it deal.


Jordan Matthews ,Marqise Lee interesting ideas for WR
This is from an earlier post about Lotulelei...

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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 792273)
Let me preface first then quantify my response...

I'll be the first to tell you that I don't believe ProFootballFocus and their objective grading system is an absolute...

However, let's use it for perspective, if you will...

Tyeler Davison had an overall grade of 81.0 (0 Sk, 22 Tk), followed by David Onyemata 80.9 (2 Sk, 18 Tk), then Sheldon Rankins 80.7 (2 Sk, 16 Tk)...

Lotulelei's previous years' grades: 2013, 81.1 (3 Sk, 34 Tk); 2014, 79.8 (2 Sk, 21 Tk); 2015, 62.5 (1 Sk, 13 Tk); 2016, 69.7 (4 Sk, 14 Tk)...

Star Lotulelei overall score for this past year, 2017? Ouch, 49.5 (1 Sk, 6 Tk)...

Again, PFF grading isn't some absolute, but that significant a drop in any scale is alarming, and the production, or lack thereof, is in the stat books...

We need help all along the defensive line, but if we're gonna spend, make it count like Jimmy Graham at Tight End, Avery Williamson or Anthony Hutchens at MLB...

Real Upgrades on the D-line would have to come in the draft; maybe geaux after a guy that is versatile, effective but a RFA - David Irving, DAL...

Of course, Tyrunn Walker is looking for employment...

jeanpierre 03-04-2018 11:27 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 789618)
The upcoming crop of free agent TE’s is horrendous. We’re not finding the answer there. There’s a ton of great options in the draft though... Mark Andrews, Dallas Goedert, Mike Gesicki, Hayden Hurst, Troy Fumagalli, etc.
Jimmy, Jimmy, Jimmy... ;)

jeanpierre 03-04-2018 11:33 AM
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Would love to have another 16 game warrior on our offensive line...

jeanpierre 03-04-2018 11:35 AM
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Would New England want a LT not named Ramczyk for their first round pick?

jeanpierre 03-04-2018 11:45 AM
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jeanpierre 03-04-2018 12:21 PM
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K Major 03-04-2018 12:31 PM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by dizzle88 (Post 789669)
Don't want Graham back, especially after the "glad you got out of there" tweet he sent when Akiem Hicks left.

I really want us to push for a wide receiver, TE and then draft heavy front 7. Get Michael Thomas and Cam Jordan each a running mate to play opposite them and we are seriously in business.
As good as the Saints were offensively, we struggled mightily on 3rd down & in the red zone. Even in that horrible Seattle offensive system, JG still managed to squeeze 10 TD's on the season. Imagine the production here with a QB/coach & system he's already familiar with. If Jimmy Dickens is available at a fair price, I just can't see how anyone wouldn't want that type of weapon back @ TE. We are in win now mode.

BTW, Jimmy isn't missing games due to injury either ;).

jeanpierre 03-05-2018 02:36 AM
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Now this would take the rivalry with the ATL to a whole 'nother level...

jeanpierre 03-05-2018 07:02 AM
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SmashMouth 03-05-2018 08:40 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 793435)
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 793491)
Now this would take the rivalry with the ATL to a whole 'nother level...

https://twitter.com/nfltrade_rumors/...71088936443905
https://i.imgur.com/pOjNP.gif

Rugby Saint II 03-05-2018 01:54 PM
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Personally, with the way things went down and his comments on social media I don't want Jimmy Graham back in a Saints uniform. He was very good here and could probably still get the job done, but apparently he let his emotions in the locker room and Payton purged the locker room and went back to the blue print of lunch pail team first players.

I realize that he is probably the best free agent TE out there which would then let us use a draft pick on another position of need. But I just can't get behind the thinking.

Incidentally we are already paying a number one tight end with Fleener still on the roster.


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