Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games(Update: Appeal denied)

05-09-2018, 07:47 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

I've been one of the most frequent critics since the front office used a first and second round pick to take Ingram, really any RB in the first round...

Let's be fair - I'd posted/shared Ingram secured new representation a couple of months ago; Ingram's camp had already expressed they wanted a reworked contract...

The way this timing is getting spun is a disingenuous (i.e. #fakenews); now is the Mickster or other leaking to manipulating this?

Conspiracy theorists light your bongs and discuss...

Exactly. The Ingram camp knew all about this long before now. Who knows, Ingram may have fired his old agent due to this case. The media could have easily interpreted the change of agent to desire for a contract renegotiation. Or it could be coming from the ex-agent.

Either way, that's why I refuse to take a negative look at anything that comes out via the media until ALL facts are known. By that time LAZY fans have already made a decision based upon earlier speculations they they continue to take as fact.

SmashMouth · 05-09-2018, 07:51 AM

Originally Posted by jnormand

Wtf Mark? Hey I'm not gonna hide. I was just complaining about all the hate on him. I still think he's a great back. I'm upset about the PEDS ****, but I can forgive that. But the contract talk post suspension is ridiculous.

Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint

This should end any debate over a high dollar, long term contract for Ingram.

Just say no.

Originally Posted by nola_swammi

Dayum! After I was thinking the plan was to get our 1st rd pick back or at least a 2nd rd pick after the season on a trade, this happen! GOOD LUCK ON CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS.

Originally Posted by TheOak

This shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone anymore than bounty programs existing. You don’t stay competitive amongst elite competition in a brutal sport on whole milk, chicken, multi-vitamins, and a protein shake.

I am surprised at three suspensions in as many years but only because that’s a low number compared to reality.

Are we naive enough to believe that after 5-6 seasons a player just got good? It’s not a coincidence that the three suspensions were for players that had hot previous seasons, the league knows where to look.

Originally Posted by lee909

I wouldn't have been giving him a big paid contract after this year anyway. RB is pretty easy to get players in. Why pay big money for a man just about to enter his 30s. Get soneone young,hungry and cheap with luttle wear on them

He just lost 25% of his $ on his current contract... about $1 million.

Hope the Saints don't make a mistake here.

AsylumGuido · 05-09-2018, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

This shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone anymore than bounty programs existing. You don’t stay competitive amongst elite competition in a brutal sport on whole milk, chicken, multi-vitamins, and a protein shake.

I am surprised at three suspensions in as many years but only because that’s a low number compared to reality.

Are we naive enough to believe that after 5-6 seasons a player just got good? It’s not a coincidence that the three suspensions were for players that had hot previous seasons, the league knows where to look.

This is what I am talking about. First, there were no bounty programs. Twenty-six Saints players and coaches testified to that fact in District Court in Jonathon Vilma's Suit against Goodell and the league? Did you forget about that? There was a simple performance pool only, that was common in every defensive locker room in the league. There were, at the time, no rules against such a thing.

And where did you come up with three Saints being suspended for PED use in the past three years? To begin with, Snead was suspended for a DUI. It had nothing to do with PED's. Try including at least something resembling facts in your idiotic claims.

TheOak · 05-09-2018, 08:49 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You angry about something? Your comments on my post about the release of Fleener had the same condescending aggressive tone. I was correct then, and I’m correct now with the exception of being 2/3 correct on the PED suspension number.

It’s almost as though you are trying to provoke something.

Have a great day.

AsylumGuido · 05-09-2018, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

You angry about something? Your comments on my post about the release of Fleener had the same condescending aggressive tone. I was correct then, and I’m correct now with the exception of being 2/3 correct on the PED suspension number.

It’s almost as though you are trying to provoke something.

Have a great day.

You implied that Vaccaro, Snead and Ingram's performances were due to PED use. That is crap. Vaccaro got hit for Adderall during the season. That isn't something you take to affect your regular season play. He said he took it to stay alert while attending his brother's game on a Saints bye week. He was wrong, but it wasn't anything you can ever get away with to "enhance performance" on the field.

You did admit you were wrong about Snead. The jury is still out on what triggered the Ingram violation.

And, you are still misrepresenting the whole deal with the performance pool being trumped up by Goodell to appear to be something vile. Yes, that does raise my ire a bit.

ChrisXVI · 05-09-2018, 09:39 AM

The league doesn’t disclose what triggered the positive test. Players say it was Adderall when often times it’s steroids (which is rumored to be the case with Vaccaro.)

jeanpierre · 05-09-2018, 09:45 AM

Well, y'all know where I stand on Ingram - that said, ALL men should be afforded due process - even if Herr Goodell believes he's omnipotent...

Let the appeal play out and then let Mark Ingram's advisers prepare the press release and let MI himself explain the circumstances...

AsylumGuido · 05-09-2018, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

The league doesn’t disclose what triggered the positive test. Players say it was Adderall when often times it’s steroids (which is rumored to be the case with Vaccaro.)

Where exactly is that rumored? I have searched and cannot find any mention of that.

SmashMouth · 05-09-2018, 09:56 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Well, y'all know where I stand on Ingram

Just a guess.... you love that we moved up for him and that he took 4 years to learn how to play?

AsylumGuido · 05-09-2018, 10:01 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Well, y'all know where I stand on Ingram - that said, ALL men should be afforded due process - even if Herr Goodell believes he's omnipotent...

Let the appeal play out and then let Mark Ingram's advisers prepare the press release and let MI himself explain the circumstances...

Clearly not on B&G. Funny how many members suddenly come out of the woodwork to quickly lay blame whenever any negative news surfaces concerning the Saints. But, to be honest, I see it happen the same way on other team's forums, as well. Some people just enjoy thinking the worst. I never could understand that concept. It seems so counterproductive.

Oh, and to your point, once "due process" was allowed to complete in the performance pool case all players were cleared of any wrong doing by Paul Tagliabue at which time Vilma dropped his suit against the league.

05-09-2018, 07:47 AM	#71
Threaded by AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by jeanpierre I've been one of the most frequent critics since the front office used a first and second round pick to take Ingram, really any RB in the first round... Let's be fair - I'd posted/shared Ingram secured new representation a couple of months ago; Ingram's camp had already expressed they wanted a reworked contract... The way this timing is getting spun is a disingenuous (i.e. #fakenews); now is the Mickster or other leaking to manipulating this? Conspiracy theorists light your bongs and discuss... Exactly. The Ingram camp knew all about this long before now. Who knows, Ingram may have fired his old agent due to this case. The media could have easily interpreted the change of agent to desire for a contract renegotiation. Or it could be coming from the ex-agent. Either way, that's why I refuse to take a negative look at anything that comes out via the media until ALL facts are known. By that time LAZY fans have already made a decision based upon earlier speculations they they continue to take as fact.
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05-09-2018, 07:51 AM	#72
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,125 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games Originally Posted by jnormand Wtf Mark? Hey I'm not gonna hide. I was just complaining about all the hate on him. I still think he's a great back. I'm upset about the PEDS **, but I can forgive that. But the contract talk post suspension is ridiculous. Originally Posted by RockyMountainSaint This should end any debate over a high dollar, long term contract for Ingram. Just say no. Originally Posted by nola_swammi Dayum! After I was thinking the plan was to get our 1st rd pick back or at least a 2nd rd pick after the season on a trade, this happen! GOOD LUCK ON CONTRACT NEGOTIATIONS. Originally Posted by TheOak This shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone anymore than bounty programs existing. You don’t stay competitive amongst elite competition in a brutal sport on whole milk, chicken, multi-vitamins, and a protein shake. I am surprised at three suspensions in as many years but only because that’s a low number compared to reality. Are we naive enough to believe that after 5-6 seasons a player just got good? It’s not a coincidence that the three suspensions were for players that had hot previous seasons, the league knows where to look. Originally Posted by lee909** I wouldn't have been giving him a big paid contract after this year anyway. RB is pretty easy to get players in. Why pay big money for a man just about to enter his 30s. Get soneone young,hungry and cheap with luttle wear on them He just lost 25% of his $ on his current contract... about $1 million. Hope the Saints don't make a mistake here.

05-09-2018, 07:54 AM	#73
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games Originally Posted by TheOak This shouldn’t be a surprise to anyone anymore than bounty programs existing. You don’t stay competitive amongst elite competition in a brutal sport on whole milk, chicken, multi-vitamins, and a protein shake. I am surprised at three suspensions in as many years but only because that’s a low number compared to reality. Are we naive enough to believe that after 5-6 seasons a player just got good? It’s not a coincidence that the three suspensions were for players that had hot previous seasons, the league knows where to look. This is what I am talking about. First, there were no bounty programs. Twenty-six Saints players and coaches testified to that fact in District Court in Jonathon Vilma's Suit against Goodell and the league? Did you forget about that? There was a simple performance pool only, that was common in every defensive locker room in the league. There were, at the time, no rules against such a thing. And where did you come up with three Saints being suspended for PED use in the past three years? To begin with, Snead was suspended for a DUI. It had nothing to do with PED's. Try including at least something resembling facts in your idiotic claims. jeanpierre likes this.
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05-09-2018, 08:49 AM	#74
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,026	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You angry about something? Your comments on my post about the release of Fleener had the same condescending aggressive tone. I was correct then, and I’m correct now with the exception of being 2/3 correct on the PED suspension number. It’s almost as though you are trying to provoke something. Have a great day.

05-09-2018, 09:25 AM	#75
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games Originally Posted by TheOak You angry about something? Your comments on my post about the release of Fleener had the same condescending aggressive tone. I was correct then, and I’m correct now with the exception of being 2/3 correct on the PED suspension number. It’s almost as though you are trying to provoke something. Have a great day. You implied that Vaccaro, Snead and Ingram's performances were due to PED use. That is crap. Vaccaro got hit for Adderall during the season. That isn't something you take to affect your regular season play. He said he took it to stay alert while attending his brother's game on a Saints bye week. He was wrong, but it wasn't anything you can ever get away with to "enhance performance" on the field. You did admit you were wrong about Snead. The jury is still out on what triggered the Ingram violation. And, you are still misrepresenting the whole deal with the performance pool being trumped up by Goodell to appear to be something vile. Yes, that does raise my ire a bit.
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05-09-2018, 09:39 AM	#76
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games The league doesn’t disclose what triggered the positive test. Players say it was Adderall when often times it’s steroids (which is rumored to be the case with Vaccaro.)

05-09-2018, 09:45 AM	#77
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games Well, y'all know where I stand on Ingram - that said, ALL men should be afforded due process - even if Herr Goodell believes he's omnipotent... Let the appeal play out and then let Mark Ingram's advisers prepare the press release and let MI himself explain the circumstances... AsylumGuido likes this.

05-09-2018, 09:56 AM	#78
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games Originally Posted by ChrisXVI The league doesn’t disclose what triggered the positive test. Players say it was Adderall when often times it’s steroids (which is rumored to be the case with Vaccaro.) Where exactly is that rumored? I have searched and cannot find any mention of that.

05-09-2018, 10:01 AM	#80
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,220	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games Originally Posted by jeanpierre Well, y'all know where I stand on Ingram - that said, ALL men should be afforded due process - even if Herr Goodell believes he's omnipotent... Let the appeal play out and then let Mark Ingram's advisers prepare the press release and let MI himself explain the circumstances... Clearly not on B&G. Funny how many members suddenly come out of the woodwork to quickly lay blame whenever any negative news surfaces concerning the Saints. But, to be honest, I see it happen the same way on other team's forums, as well. Some people just enjoy thinking the worst. I never could understand that concept. It seems so counterproductive. Oh, and to your point, once "due process" was allowed to complete in the performance pool case all players were cleared of any wrong doing by Paul Tagliabue at which time Vilma dropped his suit against the league.
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