Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games(Update: Appeal denied)

05-09-2018, 03:23 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I wasn’t aware of this... our RB coach Joel Thomas held the same position at Arkansas while Jonathan Williams was there. That explains why we signed him. Joel Thomas knows he can contribute.

Tidbit ... I follow a ton of High School (Euless Trinity High school football). I was soooo glad to see the Jonathan kid graduate from Allen (Texas 6A State power house). He scored a lot in the playoffs & subsequent state titles... didn't follow him as much while at Arkansas though.

I hope he shows something at camp & good luck

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AsylumGuido · 05-09-2018, 03:26 PM

Originally Posted by 73Saint

These guys Always appeal the suspension, they never win the appeal, and they are ALWAYS innocent. C'mon man, not fooling anyone. Just take your lumps, bc to me, the denial makes it worse.

Now I'm sure Guido will have an answer as to why I am wrong, and this is a different situation. So let's hear it, but I ain't buying it.

It's clear you're going off partial information. Ingram's agent said they are not denying that he had the substance. They also said that it was not an illegal drug (verified by the league's statement that he tested positive under the PED clause and not the substance abuse clause) and that is was not performance enhancing. The PED list contains all substances that are not legal or alcohol related. They include several items that are permissible with a TUE (Therapeutic Use Exemption).

My bet is that Ingram thought the TUE had been properly submitted by his agent (who should be the person responsible) and was then hit with the test that showed the medication he thought was pre-approved. That would explain why he fired his agent and pursued the appeal. Not because he has taken the medication, but because he thought it had been approved. No doubt he would lose that appeal, but it would explain everything to this point. Once the written decision is released they could appeal the length of the suspension itself, NOT the earlier ruling.

As for the success on appealing the suspension, it is rather common that they get reduced based upon circumstances. I think you are getting confused with the appeal of the test results which rarely get overturned.

AsylumGuido · 05-09-2018, 03:34 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

Mark is paid millions of dollars to know what he is allowed to do and not allowed to do. Mark the shark is looking for a new contract while doing drugs.

Have you read anything about this yet or just going off a headline or two? Of course he knows what he's allowed to do. The agent says they know the substance that triggered the positive test is on the banned list, but they are also saying it is included in the substances that are permissible. As I just stated, it appears that Ingram's prior agent screwed up and Ingram prbably thought he'd had permission. That would explain his firing his agent and appealing the test. If this is the way things went down Ingram could have grounds to sue his prior agent.

AsylumGuido · 05-09-2018, 03:37 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

How do you know he didn't take Sudafed. Sudafed is harmless and it's also banned by the NFL. Don't jump to conclusions. We don't know what he took.

Products such as hair growth and fertility treatments are also banned but can be exempted. Given the fact that he just fathered his third child the first could be the culprit. He might have been trying to get rid of that balding spot.

darksoul35 · 05-09-2018, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by Danno

Its disappointing that so many people assumed Mark was snortin coke, smokin crack, and shootin roids all at the same time.

Its still no excuse but I think that hopes are so high people are scared something could happen to mess the season up and this happens. I hope he wins.

spkb25 · 05-09-2018, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by NonieT

How do you know he didn't take Sudafed. Sudafed is harmless and it's also banned by the NFL. Don't jump to conclusions. We don't know what he took.

I know he's suspended

spkb25 · 05-09-2018, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Have you read anything about this yet or just going off a headline or two? Of course he knows what he's allowed to do. The agent says they know the substance that triggered the positive test is on the banned list, but they are also saying it is included in the substances that are permissible. As I just stated, it appears that Ingram's prior agent screwed up and Ingram prbably thought he'd had permission. That would explain his firing his agent and appealing the test. If this is the way things went down Ingram could have grounds to sue his prior agent.

That's what they all say

AsylumGuido · 05-09-2018, 03:49 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

That's what they all say

No. I can't remember an instance where the player has said they thought they had pre-approved permission to take a medication that is listed among those permissible. Which others do you know of since you claim that is what they all say? Huh?

AsylumGuido · 05-09-2018, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by spkb25

I know he's suspended

He is absolutely suspended. For how long may still be a question. And what the cause of the failed test was is also relevant. As I mentioned before, using Rogaine to help grow back a bald spot isn't quite as severe as taking powerful horse steroids, yet both are banned substances. The first can be exempted, however. The second cannot.

spkb25 · 05-09-2018, 04:41 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

No. I can't remember an instance where the player has said they thought they had pre-approved permission to take a medication that is listed among those permissible. Which others do you know of since you claim that is what they all say? Huh?

I can, like every case

05-09-2018, 03:23 PM	#131
Threaded by K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,588 Blog Entries: 3 Rating: (0 votes - average) Originally Posted by ChrisXVI I wasn’t aware of this... our RB coach Joel Thomas held the same position at Arkansas while Jonathan Williams was there. That explains why we signed him. Joel Thomas knows he can contribute. Tidbit ... I follow a ton of High School (Euless Trinity High school football). I was soooo glad to see the Jonathan kid graduate from Allen (Texas 6A State power house). He scored a lot in the playoffs & subsequent state titles... didn't follow him as much while at Arkansas though. I hope he shows something at camp & good luck . ChrisXVI likes this.
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05-09-2018, 03:26 PM	#132
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games(Update: Appeal denied) Originally Posted by 73Saint These guys Always appeal the suspension, they never win the appeal, and they are ALWAYS innocent. C'mon man, not fooling anyone. Just take your lumps, bc to me, the denial makes it worse. Now I'm sure Guido will have an answer as to why I am wrong, and this is a different situation. So let's hear it, but I ain't buying it. It's clear you're going off partial information. Ingram's agent said they are not denying that he had the substance. They also said that it was not an illegal drug (verified by the league's statement that he tested positive under the PED clause and not the substance abuse clause) and that is was not performance enhancing. The PED list contains all substances that are not legal or alcohol related. They include several items that are permissible with a TUE (Therapeutic Use Exemption). My bet is that Ingram thought the TUE had been properly submitted by his agent (who should be the person responsible) and was then hit with the test that showed the medication he thought was pre-approved. That would explain why he fired his agent and pursued the appeal. Not because he has taken the medication, but because he thought it had been approved. No doubt he would lose that appeal, but it would explain everything to this point. Once the written decision is released they could appeal the length of the suspension itself, NOT the earlier ruling. As for the success on appealing the suspension, it is rather common that they get reduced based upon circumstances. I think you are getting confused with the appeal of the test results which rarely get overturned.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

05-09-2018, 03:34 PM	#133
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games(Update: Appeal denied) Originally Posted by spkb25 Mark is paid millions of dollars to know what he is allowed to do and not allowed to do. Mark the shark is looking for a new contract while doing drugs. Have you read anything about this yet or just going off a headline or two? Of course he knows what he's allowed to do. The agent says they know the substance that triggered the positive test is on the banned list, but they are also saying it is included in the substances that are permissible. As I just stated, it appears that Ingram's prior agent screwed up and Ingram prbably thought he'd had permission. That would explain his firing his agent and appealing the test. If this is the way things went down Ingram could have grounds to sue his prior agent.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

05-09-2018, 03:37 PM	#134
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games(Update: Appeal denied) Originally Posted by NonieT How do you know he didn't take Sudafed. Sudafed is harmless and it's also banned by the NFL. Don't jump to conclusions. We don't know what he took. Products such as hair growth and fertility treatments are also banned but can be exempted. Given the fact that he just fathered his third child the first could be the culprit. He might have been trying to get rid of that balding spot.

05-09-2018, 03:43 PM	#135
darksoul35 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2012 Posts: 1,041	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games Originally Posted by Danno Its disappointing that so many people assumed Mark was snortin coke, smokin crack, and shootin roids all at the same time. Its still no excuse but I think that hopes are so high people are scared something could happen to mess the season up and this happens. I hope he wins.
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05-09-2018, 03:44 PM	#136
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games(Update: Appeal denied) Originally Posted by NonieT How do you know he didn't take Sudafed. Sudafed is harmless and it's also banned by the NFL. Don't jump to conclusions. We don't know what he took. I know he's suspended

05-09-2018, 03:45 PM	#137
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games(Update: Appeal denied) Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Have you read anything about this yet or just going off a headline or two? Of course he knows what he's allowed to do. The agent says they know the substance that triggered the positive test is on the banned list, but they are also saying it is included in the substances that are permissible. As I just stated, it appears that Ingram's prior agent screwed up and Ingram prbably thought he'd had permission. That would explain his firing his agent and appealing the test. If this is the way things went down Ingram could have grounds to sue his prior agent. That's what they all say

05-09-2018, 03:49 PM	#138
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games(Update: Appeal denied) Originally Posted by spkb25 That's what they all say No. I can't remember an instance where the player has said they thought they had pre-approved permission to take a medication that is listed among those permissible. Which others do you know of since you claim that is what they all say? Huh?

05-09-2018, 03:53 PM	#139
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,044	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games(Update: Appeal denied) Originally Posted by spkb25 I know he's suspended He is absolutely suspended. For how long may still be a question. And what the cause of the failed test was is also relevant. As I mentioned before, using Rogaine to help grow back a bald spot isn't quite as severe as taking powerful horse steroids, yet both are banned substances. The first can be exempted, however. The second cannot.

05-09-2018, 04:41 PM	#140
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,093	Re: Mark Ingram Suspended Four Games(Update: Appeal denied) Originally Posted by AsylumGuido No. I can't remember an instance where the player has said they thought they had pre-approved permission to take a medication that is listed among those permissible. Which others do you know of since you claim that is what they all say? Huh? I can, like every case

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