Nick Underhill: Marcus Davenport holds his own in his Saints preseason debut; plus other observations

Rugby Saint II · 08-27-2018, 02:59 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Davison didn't play well. I know Pouncey is an All Pro but he really had his way with Tyeler.

Davison and Onyamata were both drafted the same year I believe.....I believe we moved up for Onyamata but didn't we also move up for Davison? I'm much more impressed with the other DT's that we've brought in.......although we didn't get much push from the middle and that is somewhat worrisome to me.

blackangold · 08-27-2018, 03:10 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Davison and Onyamata were both drafted the same year I believe.....I believe we moved up for Onyamata but didn't we also move up for Davison? I'm much more impressed with the other DT's that we've brought in.......although we didn't get much push from the middle and that is somewhat worrisome to me.

We can toss Rankins in to the mix here as well. He did no better than the others, but I really saw the problem with Hendrickson at DE. Trey was getting blocked out by TEs. He may be ok rushing the passer, but he is awful against the run.

jeanpierre · 08-27-2018, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Davison and Onyamata were both drafted the same year I believe.....I believe we moved up for Onyamata but didn't we also move up for Davison? I'm much more impressed with the other DT's that we've brought in.......although we didn't get much push from the middle and that is somewhat worrisome to me.

We used a third and fourth round picks to move up for Vonn Bell at the end of the second, so we had to trade two picks to get back into the fourth to take Onyemata...

Davison was a straight-up fifth round pick...

Our best front-line looks like Jordan-Onyemata-Bromley-Davenport and on passing downs Hendrickson-Jordan-Onyemata-Davenport...

Barry from MS · 08-27-2018, 04:57 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Davison didn't play well. I know Pouncey is an All Pro but he really had his way with Tyeler.

The Chargers interior O Line is a beast. They chewed up Rankins, Onyemata & Davison and spit them out. Hopefully they learn from this beatdown. Hard to put too much blame on LBs when there's so many running lanes in the line. We have to stay sub 4 yds/carry, preferably sub 3 yds/carry for my liking.

K Major · 08-27-2018, 05:00 PM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

The Chargers interior O Line is a beast. They chewed up Rankins, Onyemata & Davison and spit them out.

I didn't realize how stout they were up front. That is a strength for the Chargers however our LB play has been average at best thus far. We must do better as a group.

K Major · 08-27-2018, 08:30 AM

In the limited snaps on Davenport ...

Pressure
Disruptive
Tackle for loss
1/2 sack
Impact on just about every other play. Way ahead of where I thought he would be at this point.

Did you guys notice that tackle he made on the Benjamin - RB (initially looked it would be a big gain)? He pounced like a shark out of water.

Pretty freakish athlete if you ask me.

K Major · 08-27-2018, 08:42 AM

"I was disappointed early in the game, particularly with our linebacker play," Payton said. "I didn't think that was very good."

So far I'd say that this is the position I'm most concerned with.

I'd line up Teo, Davis (MIKE) & Robertson as my starters. Craig should never leave the field. He's making plays when he has the opportunity (specifically on passing downs).

We need guys with energy out there. We are getting gashed with runs between the tackles. Next year Klein is a ghost in New Orleans.

I hope they put Demario back at his natural position and let's go. What we are doing right now isn't going to cut it.

Rell&Gold · 08-27-2018, 06:15 PM

Trey can rush the passer he isn't Stout against the run...alot this first quarter runs by the first team were to his side...a couple times he got blocked by TE's

The Dude · 08-27-2018, 09:36 PM

And who is Brees trying to prove his point to? Us the fans?
Payton and every other player on that offense knew Ginn was out of position. Why would Brees feel the need to point it out? The coaches and players aren’t simpletons, if you saw it and it was obvious enough for you to turn to your friends and point it out then you can bet the coaches and players on the actual field saw it.
Brees is too much of a competitor to jeopardize even a preseason game to prove a point. He is much more likely to address Ginn right then and there.

jeanpierre · 08-28-2018, 05:15 PM

As I suggested, perhaps Brees did it, in a PreSeason game, to highlight that Ginn was running the route in the wrong position...

A less costly PreSeason Mistake is an excellent learning lesson the following week in film room; and to prevent mistakes when the games count...

Do you not realize that Brees sits in with the coaches during game-planning and to discuss these things and has earned an extra level of trust, respect?

Are or you one of these guys that thinks Payton walks out of a film room with two tablets of stone with all the plays drawn up the morning of game day?

08-27-2018, 02:59 PM	#1
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,151	Re: Nick Underhill: Marcus Davenport holds his own in his Saints preseason debut; plus other observations Originally Posted by K Major Davison didn't play well. I know Pouncey is an All Pro but he really had his way with Tyeler. Davison and Onyamata were both drafted the same year I believe.....I believe we moved up for Onyamata but didn't we also move up for Davison? I'm much more impressed with the other DT's that we've brought in.......although we didn't get much push from the middle and that is somewhat worrisome to me.

08-27-2018, 03:10 PM	#2
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Nick Underhill: Marcus Davenport holds his own in his Saints preseason debut; plus other observations Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Davison and Onyamata were both drafted the same year I believe.....I believe we moved up for Onyamata but didn't we also move up for Davison? I'm much more impressed with the other DT's that we've brought in.......although we didn't get much push from the middle and that is somewhat worrisome to me. We can toss Rankins in to the mix here as well. He did no better than the others, but I really saw the problem with Hendrickson at DE. Trey was getting blocked out by TEs. He may be ok rushing the passer, but he is awful against the run. Rugby Saint II likes this.

08-27-2018, 05:00 PM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Nick Underhill: Marcus Davenport holds his own in his Saints preseason debut; plus other observations Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Davison and Onyamata were both drafted the same year I believe.....I believe we moved up for Onyamata but didn't we also move up for Davison? I'm much more impressed with the other DT's that we've brought in.......although we didn't get much push from the middle and that is somewhat worrisome to me. We used a third and fourth round picks to move up for Vonn Bell at the end of the second, so we had to trade two picks to get back into the fourth to take Onyemata... Davison was a straight-up fifth round pick... Our best front-line looks like Jordan-Onyemata-Bromley-Davenport and on passing downs Hendrickson-Jordan-Onyemata-Davenport... Rugby Saint II likes this.

08-27-2018, 04:57 PM	#4
Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Nick Underhill: Marcus Davenport holds his own in his Saints preseason debut; plus other observations Originally Posted by K Major Davison didn't play well. I know Pouncey is an All Pro but he really had his way with Tyeler. The Chargers interior O Line is a beast. They chewed up Rankins, Onyemata & Davison and spit them out. Hopefully they learn from this beatdown. Hard to put too much blame on LBs when there's so many running lanes in the line. We have to stay sub 4 yds/carry, preferably sub 3 yds/carry for my liking. K Major likes this.

08-27-2018, 05:00 PM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,828 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Nick Underhill: Marcus Davenport holds his own in his Saints preseason debut; plus other observations Originally Posted by Barry from MS The Chargers interior O Line is a beast. They chewed up Rankins, Onyemata & Davison and spit them out. I didn't realize how stout they were up front. That is a strength for the Chargers however our LB play has been average at best thus far. We must do better as a group.

08-27-2018, 08:30 AM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,828 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Nick Underhill: Marcus Davenport holds his own in his Saints preseason debut; plus other observations In the limited snaps on Davenport ... Pressure Disruptive Tackle for loss 1/2 sack Impact on just about every other play. Way ahead of where I thought he would be at this point. Did you guys notice that tackle he made on the Benjamin - RB (initially looked it would be a big gain)? He pounced like a shark out of water. Pretty freakish athlete if you ask me. AsylumGuido, Rugby Saint II and Thirty3 like this.

08-27-2018, 08:42 AM	#7
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,828 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Nick Underhill: Marcus Davenport holds his own in his Saints preseason debut; plus other observations "I was disappointed early in the game, particularly with our linebacker play," Payton said. "I didn't think that was very good." So far I'd say that this is the position I'm most concerned with. I'd line up Teo, Davis (MIKE) & Robertson as my starters. Craig should never leave the field. He's making plays when he has the opportunity (specifically on passing downs). We need guys with energy out there. We are getting gashed with runs between the tackles. Next year Klein is a ghost in New Orleans. I hope they put Demario back at his natural position and let's go. What we are doing right now isn't going to cut it. Rugby Saint II and MarchingOn like this.

08-27-2018, 06:15 PM	#8
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Nick Underhill: Marcus Davenport holds his own in his Saints preseason debut; plus other observations Trey can rush the passer he isn't Stout against the run...alot this first quarter runs by the first team were to his side...a couple times he got blocked by TE's

08-27-2018, 09:36 PM	#9
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Nick Underhill: Marcus Davenport holds his own in his Saints preseason debut; plus other observations And who is Brees trying to prove his point to? Us the fans? Payton and every other player on that offense knew Ginn was out of position. Why would Brees feel the need to point it out? The coaches and players aren’t simpletons, if you saw it and it was obvious enough for you to turn to your friends and point it out then you can bet the coaches and players on the actual field saw it. Brees is too much of a competitor to jeopardize even a preseason game to prove a point. He is much more likely to address Ginn right then and there.
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08-28-2018, 05:15 PM	#10
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Nick Underhill: Marcus Davenport holds his own in his Saints preseason debut; plus other observations As I suggested, perhaps Brees did it, in a PreSeason game, to highlight that Ginn was running the route in the wrong position... A less costly PreSeason Mistake is an excellent learning lesson the following week in film room; and to prevent mistakes when the games count... Do you not realize that Brees sits in with the coaches during game-planning and to discuss these things and has earned an extra level of trust, respect? Are or you one of these guys that thinks Payton walks out of a film room with two tablets of stone with all the plays drawn up the morning of game day?
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