Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay

ChrisXVI · 09-10-2018, 07:47 AM

Another thing... Why does our defense always need “wake-up calls”? We have three 1st round picks on the D-Line and a Pro Bowl DROY at CB and these guys can’t impose their will. That’s a culture problem. I see a whole lot of other teams with good defenses who don’t need “wake-up calls.”

spkb25 · 09-10-2018, 08:05 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Another thing... Why does our defense always need “wake-up calls”? We have three 1st round picks on the D-Line and a Pro Bowl DROY at CB and these guys can’t impose their will. That’s a culture problem. I see a whole lot of other teams with good defenses who don’t need “wake-up calls.”

Shankins was picked in the first, but beyond his first season and after NF was gone has he done Diddley poo?

I like your post, it is spot on

brees84 · 09-10-2018, 10:10 AM

Lattimore is not in football shape. At 100% no way Mike Evans creates that kind of separation and runs away from him. Lattimore always had that 2nd gear. I didn't see that yesterday. Looked really slow out there.

D-line players are overrated. Onemayata is the only guy that is discruptive and I would extend him rather than Rankins (never understood the hype).

Our LBs? Always out of position. Why are they always changing something that works. New roles, starting inferior talent, Robertson on the bench...

Dennis Allen sucks at defending 3rd and long. It's not just one game. Ever since he became DC it's happening on regular basis.

K Major · 09-10-2018, 10:15 AM

Originally Posted by brees84

Dennis Allen sucks at defending 3rd and long. It's not just one game. Ever since he became DC it's happening on regular basis.

That's a problem.

SmashMouth · 09-10-2018, 10:41 AM

Originally Posted by brees84

Dennis Allen sucks at defending 3rd and long. It's not just one game. Ever since he became DC it's happening on regular basis.

Originally Posted by K Major

That's a problem.

Did he accidentally pick up some tips from 3rd and Chavis?

rezburna · 09-10-2018, 11:07 AM

Originally Posted by brees84

Lattimore is not in football shape. At 100% no way Mike Evans creates that kind of separation and runs away from him. Lattimore always had that 2nd gear. I didn't see that yesterday. Looked really slow out there.

D-line players are overrated. Onemayata is the only guy that is discruptive and I would extend him rather than Rankins (never understood the hype).

Our LBs? Always out of position. Why are they always changing something that works. New roles, starting inferior talent, Robertson on the bench...

Dennis Allen sucks at defending 3rd and long. It's not just one game. Ever since he became DC it's happening on regular basis.

All facts.

ChrisXVI · 09-10-2018, 09:56 PM

One more thing before overreaction Monday comes to an end... Just fork over the damn cash and sign Johnathan Hankins already. Payton knew DT would be a weak spot, hence why he went after Ndamakong Suh and Muhammad Wilkerson in free agency.

Utah_Saint · 09-10-2018, 11:25 PM

Mike Nolan needs to get his **** together and fast.

All the linebackers looked lost and slow.

Cutting Stupar looks pretty stupid now.

This is the same Demario Davis that was 6th in the league in tackles just last year. Moving him from the middle doesn't seem to be working. That's on Nolan too.

Almost all of us in this forum can see that Craig Robertson needs to be starting, why can't Nolan see it?

When you make these types of moves and they work, you look like a genius.

When you make these types of moves and they don't work, you look for another job.

K Major · 09-11-2018, 08:15 AM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Cutting Stupar looks pretty stupid now.

How? On special teams?

dizzle88 · 09-11-2018, 12:17 PM

Originally Posted by Utah_Saint

Mike Nolan needs to get his **** together and fast.

All the linebackers looked lost and slow.

Cutting Stupar looks pretty stupid now.

This is the same Demario Davis that was 6th in the league in tackles just last year. Moving him from the middle doesn't seem to be working. That's on Nolan too.

Almost all of us in this forum can see that Craig Robertson needs to be starting, why can't Nolan see it?

When you make these types of moves and they work, you look like a genius.

When you make these types of moves and they don't work, you look for another job.

Because Nolan isn't making the calls, Payton is.

Rob Ryan said that Payton got too involved in Defense in 2014 and screwed up a plan that worked, all of a sudden we have a great D last year that sucks again and all players are playing out of their natural positions.

Coincidence? Multiple Defensive Coordinators, same Defense fielded.

09-10-2018, 07:47 AM	#1
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Another thing... Why does our defense always need “wake-up calls”? We have three 1st round picks on the D-Line and a Pro Bowl DROY at CB and these guys can’t impose their will. That’s a culture problem. I see a whole lot of other teams with good defenses who don’t need “wake-up calls.” SmashMouth, jeanpierre, CharityMike and 2 others like this.

09-10-2018, 08:05 AM	#2
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,144	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Another thing... Why does our defense always need “wake-up calls”? We have three 1st round picks on the D-Line and a Pro Bowl DROY at CB and these guys can’t impose their will. That’s a culture problem. I see a whole lot of other teams with good defenses who don’t need “wake-up calls.” Shankins was picked in the first, but beyond his first season and after NF was gone has he done Diddley poo? I like your post, it is spot on rezburna likes this.

09-10-2018, 10:10 AM	#3
brees84 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2014 Posts: 3,015	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Lattimore is not in football shape. At 100% no way Mike Evans creates that kind of separation and runs away from him. Lattimore always had that 2nd gear. I didn't see that yesterday. Looked really slow out there. D-line players are overrated. Onemayata is the only guy that is discruptive and I would extend him rather than Rankins (never understood the hype). Our LBs? Always out of position. Why are they always changing something that works. New roles, starting inferior talent, Robertson on the bench... Dennis Allen sucks at defending 3rd and long. It's not just one game. Ever since he became DC it's happening on regular basis. Barry from MS, K Major, rezburna and 1 others like this.
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09-10-2018, 10:15 AM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by brees84 Dennis Allen sucks at defending 3rd and long. It's not just one game. Ever since he became DC it's happening on regular basis. That's a problem.

09-10-2018, 10:41 AM	#5
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 38,803 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by brees84 Dennis Allen sucks at defending 3rd and long. It's not just one game. Ever since he became DC it's happening on regular basis. Originally Posted by K Major That's a problem. Did he accidentally pick up some tips from 3rd and Chavis? jeanpierre likes this.

09-10-2018, 11:07 AM	#6
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,096	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by brees84 Lattimore is not in football shape. At 100% no way Mike Evans creates that kind of separation and runs away from him. Lattimore always had that 2nd gear. I didn't see that yesterday. Looked really slow out there. D-line players are overrated. Onemayata is the only guy that is discruptive and I would extend him rather than Rankins (never understood the hype). Our LBs? Always out of position. Why are they always changing something that works. New roles, starting inferior talent, Robertson on the bench... Dennis Allen sucks at defending 3rd and long. It's not just one game. Ever since he became DC it's happening on regular basis. All facts.

09-10-2018, 09:56 PM	#7
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay One more thing before overreaction Monday comes to an end... Just fork over the damn cash and sign Johnathan Hankins already. Payton knew DT would be a weak spot, hence why he went after Ndamakong Suh and Muhammad Wilkerson in free agency. MarchingOn likes this.

09-10-2018, 11:25 PM	#8
Utah_Saint Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2012 Location: Salt Lake City, Utah Posts: 3,521	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Mike Nolan needs to get his **** together and fast. All the linebackers looked lost and slow. Cutting Stupar looks pretty stupid now. This is the same Demario Davis that was 6th in the league in tackles just last year. Moving him from the middle doesn't seem to be working. That's on Nolan too. Almost all of us in this forum can see that Craig Robertson needs to be starting, why can't Nolan see it? When you make these types of moves and they work, you look like a genius. When you make these types of moves and they don't work, you look for another job. MarchingOn likes this.

09-11-2018, 08:15 AM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Cutting Stupar looks pretty stupid now. How? On special teams? rezburna likes this.

09-11-2018, 12:17 PM	#10
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by Utah_Saint Mike Nolan needs to get his **** together and fast. All the linebackers looked lost and slow. Cutting Stupar looks pretty stupid now. This is the same Demario Davis that was 6th in the league in tackles just last year. Moving him from the middle doesn't seem to be working. That's on Nolan too. Almost all of us in this forum can see that Craig Robertson needs to be starting, why can't Nolan see it? When you make these types of moves and they work, you look like a genius. When you make these types of moves and they don't work, you look for another job. Because Nolan isn't making the calls, Payton is. Rob Ryan said that Payton got too involved in Defense in 2014 and screwed up a plan that worked, all of a sudden we have a great D last year that sucks again and all players are playing out of their natural positions. Coincidence? Multiple Defensive Coordinators, same Defense fielded.

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