Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay

spkb25 · 09-11-2018, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Because Nolan isn't making the calls, Payton is.

Rob Ryan said that Payton got too involved in Defense in 2014 and screwed up a plan that worked, all of a sudden we have a great D last year that sucks again and all players are playing out of their natural positions.

Coincidence? Multiple Defensive Coordinators, same Defense fielded.

I actually agree that SP is getting involved, but RR had the same complaints in Buffalo he did here.

The shame was what we did to Spags. Dude had ****ing 0 talent and took all the blame. Corey white was a starting CB as a rookie 🙄🙄🙄🙄

The linebacker shuffle is stupid. Teo might need to start and why isn't Robertson playing? Mind numbing. But none of that can help bad defensive tackles. We have really poor talent there

Rell&Gold · 09-11-2018, 12:18 PM

Not hard to play like Fitzpatrick when there's NO pass rush and you're WR are running WID open down the field

K Major · 09-12-2018, 09:11 AM

Originally Posted by Rell&Gold

Not hard to play like Fitzpatrick when there's NO pass rush and you're WR are running WID open down the field

Precisely.

Not making excuses for anyone on the back end, but it's a lot harder to play defense if you can't generate a pass rush. These offenses are too good. At this level, even an average QB will slice you up. If you don't put em under duress, they (see Fitzpatrick) will complete passes.

We must do a better job up front on Sunday.

jeanpierre · 09-11-2018, 02:57 PM

jeanpierre · 09-11-2018, 06:15 PM

Barry from MS · 09-11-2018, 06:40 PM

They need to leave Te'o on the field more than the other LBs.

Seriously. Stop laughing.

rezburna · 09-12-2018, 06:22 AM

Originally Posted by Barry from MS

They need to leave Te'o on the field more than the other LBs.

Seriously. Stop laughing.

I’d be completely fine with this:

SLB - Robertson
MLB - Davis
WLB - Te’o

We immediately become a lot slower at the position, but also a lot smarter and more discipline. Plus Te’o and Robertson are better against the run and tend to get more interceptions in coverage because they know the game better. Klein is horrible though. We need to keep him off the field at all costs. Stupar was much better than he is...and Stupar is WILDLY overrated on these forums.

ChrisXVI · 09-12-2018, 09:35 AM

Nick Underhill said that Fitzpatrick was getting the ball out in under 2 seconds a lot of the time; including the bomb to Evans where he burned Lattimore. There isn’t much the pass rush can do in those situations. They just played a completely different ball game than we expected.

K Major · 09-12-2018, 09:58 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

Nick Underhill said that Fitzpatrick was getting the ball out in under 2 seconds a lot of the time; including the bomb to Evans where he burned Lattimore. There isn’t much the pass rush can do in those situations. They just played a completely different ball game than we expected.

Excellent point but my counter to that would be Tampa had designed plays & quick releases yet OUR corners never adjusted to play press at the line. Rez could probably explain further but you gotta believe that would knock off timing on the QB. I saw no adjustments from Latt/Crawley or Dennis Allen.

I take nothing away from the Bucs. That was a terrific offensive game plan starting with their QB. Fitz balled.

AsylumGuido · 09-12-2018, 10:37 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

Excellent point but my counter to that would be Tampa had designed plays & quick releases yet OUR corners never adjusted to play press at the line. Rez could probably explain further but you gotta believe that would knock off timing on the QB. I saw no adjustments from Latt/Crawley or Dennis Allen.

I take nothing away from the Bucs. That was a terrific offensive game plan starting with their QB. Fitz balled.

I think you have highlighted the right area.

09-11-2018, 12:22 PM	#1
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,145	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by dizzle88 Because Nolan isn't making the calls, Payton is. Rob Ryan said that Payton got too involved in Defense in 2014 and screwed up a plan that worked, all of a sudden we have a great D last year that sucks again and all players are playing out of their natural positions. Coincidence? Multiple Defensive Coordinators, same Defense fielded. I actually agree that SP is getting involved, but RR had the same complaints in Buffalo he did here. The shame was what we did to Spags. Dude had ****ing 0 talent and took all the blame. Corey white was a starting CB as a rookie 🙄🙄🙄🙄 The linebacker shuffle is stupid. Teo might need to start and why isn't Robertson playing? Mind numbing. But none of that can help bad defensive tackles. We have really poor talent there

09-11-2018, 12:18 PM	#2
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Not hard to play like Fitzpatrick when there's NO pass rush and you're WR are running WID open down the field K Major likes this.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,845 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by Rell&Gold Not hard to play like Fitzpatrick when there's NO pass rush and you're WR are running WID open down the field Precisely. Not making excuses for anyone on the back end, but it's a lot harder to play defense if you can't generate a pass rush. These offenses are too good. At this level, even an average QB will slice you up. If you don't put em under duress, they (see Fitzpatrick) will complete passes. We must do a better job up front on Sunday.

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Barry from MS Site Donor 2014 Join Date: May 2007 Location: TEMPO VC Okefenokee Swamp Posts: 1,985 Blog Entries: 2	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay They need to leave Te'o on the field more than the other LBs. Seriously. Stop laughing.

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rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,122	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by Barry from MS They need to leave Te'o on the field more than the other LBs. Seriously. Stop laughing. I’d be completely fine with this: SLB - Robertson MLB - Davis WLB - Te’o We immediately become a lot slower at the position, but also a lot smarter and more discipline. Plus Te’o and Robertson are better against the run and tend to get more interceptions in coverage because they know the game better. Klein is horrible though. We need to keep him off the field at all costs. Stupar was much better than he is...and Stupar is WILDLY overrated on these forums. K Major likes this.

09-12-2018, 09:35 AM	#8
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Nick Underhill said that Fitzpatrick was getting the ball out in under 2 seconds a lot of the time; including the bomb to Evans where he burned Lattimore. There isn’t much the pass rush can do in those situations. They just played a completely different ball game than we expected. AsylumGuido, K Major and rezburna like this.

09-12-2018, 09:58 AM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,845 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by ChrisXVI Nick Underhill said that Fitzpatrick was getting the ball out in under 2 seconds a lot of the time; including the bomb to Evans where he burned Lattimore. There isn’t much the pass rush can do in those situations. They just played a completely different ball game than we expected. Excellent point but my counter to that would be Tampa had designed plays & quick releases yet OUR corners never adjusted to play press at the line. Rez could probably explain further but you gotta believe that would knock off timing on the QB. I saw no adjustments from Latt/Crawley or Dennis Allen. I take nothing away from the Bucs. That was a terrific offensive game plan starting with their QB. Fitz balled.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,768	Re: Observations from the Saints first game loss to Tampa Bay Originally Posted by K Major Excellent point but my counter to that would be Tampa had designed plays & quick releases yet OUR corners never adjusted to play press at the line. Rez could probably explain further but you gotta believe that would knock off timing on the QB. I saw no adjustments from Latt/Crawley or Dennis Allen. I take nothing away from the Bucs. That was a terrific offensive game plan starting with their QB. Fitz balled. I think you have highlighted the right area.

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