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LOL... he does catch the ball fairly incredibly but he only runs a 4.65 40. Still, he is a very interesting potential player down the road. :eek: |
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Attachment 13170 Saw the Amazon van dropping off a case of these! I wonder if it will "CAUSE A DISTRACTION?"
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When looking at 40 times, you really have to skew size and other factors... His seam routes will inevitably involve YAC, yards after contact, but at his size, not very corner, or even safety, is going to be effective in tackling him... |
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I don’t know what to do about back-up OT. Michael Ola is no good. I don’t think we have the back-up on the roster yet.
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Backup OT wasn't a concern last year because Peat would kick out as he'd always done; but, in light of his conditioning and probably lack of full recovery, there may be a need for it... Then again, it might also help Will Clapp's case as he can play effectively at all three interior spots as well as RT in a pinch... |
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Norwell would've been the only upgrade, but he signed for significantly more than that... And I didn't get that either with Bushrod as he did very well in Miami as a LG, guess the wanted continuity for Peat and didn't kick him out when Mr. Glass took holiday... |
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Man, the more I look at our receiving optons, it comes down to this question:
What four of five to keep among Keith Kirkwood, Dan Arnold, Cyril Grayson, Austin Carr, and Emmanuel Butler...
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2019 New Orleans Saints – PreSeason, Gm 4 New Orleans Saints vs Miami Dolphins
OFFENSE QB (3) 9 – Drew Brees, 5 - Teddy Bridgewater (FA 2019), 7 - Taysom Hill RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray (FA 2019), 27 - Dwayne Washington, 32 - Devine Ozigbo (UDFA 2019), 37 - Jacquizz Rodgers (FA 2019), 30 - Kerwynn Williams (FA 2019)FB (1) 42 - Zach Line, 44 - Shane Smith (FA 2019), 46 - Michael Burton (FA 2019) WR-X (2) 13 - Michael Thomas, 18 - Keith Kirkwood, 15 - Simmie Cobbs, Jr., 17 - Emmanuel Butler (UDFA 2019) WR-S (2) 80 - Austin Carr, 83 - Cyril Grayson (UDFA 2019), 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (UDFA 2019) LT (1) 72 - Terron Armstead, 77 - Marshall Newhouse (FA 2019), 73 - Ethan Greenidge (UDFA 2019) LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 62 - Nick Easton (FA 2019), 64 - Will Clapp C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy (R2P16, #48), 66 - Ryan Groy (FA 2019), 61 - Marcus Henry (FA 2019) RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 63 - Cameron Tom (ERFA 2019), 60 - Patrick Omameh (FA 2019) RT (1) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 70 - Michael Ola (FA 2019), 68 - Derrick Kelly (UDFA 2019) TE (3) 87 - Jared Cook, 89 - Josh Hill, 81 - A.J. Derby (FA 2019), 85 - Dan Arnold, 45 - Garrett Griffin, 86 - Alizé Mack (R7P17, #231) WR-Z (2) 19 - Ted Ginn, 10 - Tra'Quan Smith, 14 - Travin Dural (FA 2019) DEFENSE RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 91 - Trey Hendrickson, 99 - Geneo Grissom (FA 2019) NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown (FA 2019), 95 - Taylor Stallworth, 96 - Sylvester Williams (FA 2019), 76 - Ziggy Hood (FA 2019) DT3 (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 97 - Mario Edwards, Jr. (FA 2019), 74 - Shy Tuttle (UDFA 2019) 98 - Sheldon Rankins (Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform)LDE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 50 - Wes Horton (FA 2019), 69 - Corbin Kaufusi (UDFA 2019) WLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 52 - Craig Robertson (FA 2019), 51 - Colton Jumper (FA 2019), 54 - Josh Martin (FA 2019) MLB (2) 47 - Alex Anzalone, 55 - Kaden Elliss (R7P30, #244), 44 - Darnell Sankey (RFC 2019), 40 - Will Compton (FA 2019) SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 59 - Vince Biegel (ERFA 2019), 58 - Porter Gustin (UDFA 2019) RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee (ERFA 2019) NCB (2) 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2019), 21 - Patrick Robinson FS (2) 43 - Marcus A. Williams, 31 - Chris Banjo (FA 2019), 33 - Saquan Hampton (R6P4, #177), 38 - Terrell Williams, Jr. (FA 2019) SS (2) 24 - Vonn Bell, 22 - Chauncey Gardner (R4P3, #105), 48 - J.T. Gray, 36 - T. J. Green (FA 2019) LCB (2) 25 - Eli Apple, 20 - Ken Crawley (RFA 2019), 39 - Kayvon Webster (FA 2019) KICKING K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz (RFA 2019) P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (ERFA 2019) RS (1) 11 - Deonte Harris (UDFA 2019), 35 - Marcus Sherels (FA 2019) Active Roster Count - Total: 90 (53); Offense: 45; Defense: 40; Kicking: 5 Reserve/Injured 37 - Javorius "Buck" Allen (FA 2019) 76 - Kenny Bigelow (UDFA 2019) 79 - Chris Clark (FA 2019) 30 - Matt Dayes (FA 2019) 65 - Ulrick John (FA 2019) Reserve/Non-Football Injury 54 - Chase Hansen (UDFA 2019) Reserve/Did Not Report 57 - Carl Granderson (UDFA 2019) KEY: Projected Starter Free Agent (FA 2019) Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2019) Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2019) Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#) Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2019) Injured, Injured/Reserve, Injured/PUP |
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RB: 41 Alvin Kamara, 28 Latavius Murray, 27 Dwayne Washington, 32 Devine Ozigbo
I have to keep four RB’s. If makes me too nervous having any less. WR: 13 Michael Thomas, 19 Ted Ginn Jr, 10 Tre’Quan Smith, 18 Keith Kirkwood, 17 Emmanuel Butler, 11 Deonte Harris Not knowing the nature of Kirkwood’s injury, this is who I have making it right now. In this scenario, Butler would be inactive on game days while he develops. The team may very likely keep Austin Carr instead of Butler and try to sneak the latter onto the practice squad. TE: 87 Jared Cook, 89 Josh Hill, 85 Dan Arnold, 85 AJ Derby Dan Arnold has the occasional concentration lapse, but the man makes some excellent catches too. He has no issue making catches down the seam knowing he’s about to get drilled by a safety. I’m keeping AJ Derby as well. With really bad depth on the O-Line I want an extra TE that can block. |
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CB: 23 Marshon Lattimore, 25 Eli Apple, 39 Kayvon Webster, 34 Justin Hardee
Nickel CB: 26 PJ Williams, 22 Chauncey Gardner-Johnson That’s right folks, no PRob. He’s had no first-team reps at nickel and he’s shown this preseason that he has no value on the outside. Here’s the issue though: we have to trade him. If we cut him it’s a $5.25 mil cap hit. Trading him will only carry a $1.25 mil cap hit with $4 mil in space opened up. He’s likely to only fetch a late-round pick but I think it’s a smart move. FS: 43 Marcus Williams, 33 Saquan Hampton SS: 24 Vonn Bell, 48 JT Gray We don’t know the nature of Hampton’s injury so it could be Banjo in his place. Assuming Hampton is fine, I’m cutting Banjo because he’s been awful. I like what I’ve seen from JT Gray. He’s great on special teams and seeing him get reps with the 2’s last night made me think the coaches like him more than the fans. |
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Chris, per Over The Cap...
Cutting Chris Banjo would result in $1.45mil dead cap money and only $50K in savings; trading him would reduce the cap hit to $600K and $900K in savings... Banjo, like Robertson, has a guaranteed contract this season virtually guaranteeing a roster spot... So either we take the hit or trade Banjo if we want that slot for Hampton... And I'm in your camp there, I'd prefer to keep Hampton... |
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FS: 43 Marcus Williams, 33 Saquan Hampton, 31 Chris Banjo SS: 24 Vonn Bell, 48 JT Gray |
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But I'd be really surprised we take a $1mil cap hit to cut a reserve/kick coverage player... |
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I suppose Hampton’s been MIA so if he ends up on IR then it’s a non-issue. Keeping Banjo puts me at 54 on my projection though and I have no idea where to subtract one.
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try to sneak the latter onto the practice squad. Attachment 13171
Just like they "snuck" Ryan Griffin? If he should make it he can be signed by another team then the Saints would then have to promote him to the active roster to retain him. See Boston Scott. Did anyone notice his "Bruising" one yard TD run in the Eagles first Preseason game? |
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2019 New Orleans Saints – PreSeason, Gm 4 New Orleans Saints vs Miami Dolphins
OFFENSE QB (3) 9 – Drew Brees, 5 - Teddy Bridgewater (FA 2019), 7 - Taysom Hill RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray (FA 2019), 27 - Dwayne Washington, 32 - Devine Ozigbo (UDFA 2019), 37 - Jacquizz Rodgers (FA 2019), 30 - Kerwynn Williams (FA 2019)FB (1) 42 - Zach Line, 44 - Shane Smith (FA 2019), 46 - Michael Burton (FA 2019) WR-X (2) 13 - Michael Thomas, 18 - Keith Kirkwood, 15 - Simmie Cobbs, Jr., 17 - Emmanuel Butler (UDFA 2019) WR-S (2) 80 - Austin Carr, 83 - Cyril Grayson (UDFA 2019), 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (UDFA 2019) LT (1) 72 - Terron Armstead, 77 - Marshall Newhouse (FA 2019), 73 - Ethan Greenidge (UDFA 2019) LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 62 - Nick Easton (FA 2019), 64 - Will Clapp C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy (R2P16, #48), 66 - Ryan Groy (FA 2019), 61 - Marcus Henry (FA 2019) RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 63 - Cameron Tom (ERFA 2019), 60 - Patrick Omameh (FA 2019) RT (1) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 70 - Michael Ola (FA 2019), 68 - Derrick Kelly (UDFA 2019) TE (3) 87 - Jared Cook, 89 - Josh Hill, 81 - A.J. Derby (FA 2019), 85 - Dan Arnold, 45 - Garrett Griffin, 86 - Alizé Mack (R7P17, #231) WR-Z (2) 19 - Ted Ginn, 10 - Tra'Quan Smith, 14 - Travin Dural (FA 2019) DEFENSE RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 91 - Trey Hendrickson, 99 - Geneo Grissom (FA 2019) NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown (FA 2019), 95 - Taylor Stallworth, 96 - Sylvester Williams (FA 2019), 76 - Ziggy Hood (FA 2019) DT3 (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 97 - Mario Edwards, Jr. (FA 2019), 74 - Shy Tuttle (UDFA 2019) 98 - Sheldon Rankins (Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform)LDE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 50 - Wes Horton (FA 2019), 69 - Corbin Kaufusi (UDFA 2019) WLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 52 - Craig Robertson (FA 2019), 51 - Colton Jumper (FA 2019), 54 - Josh Martin (FA 2019) MLB (2) 47 - Alex Anzalone, 55 - Kaden Elliss (R7P30, #244), 44 - Darnell Sankey (RFC 2019), 40 - Will Compton (FA 2019) SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 59 - Vince Biegel (ERFA 2019), 58 - Porter Gustin (UDFA 2019) RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee (ERFA 2019) NCB (2) 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2019), 21 - Patrick Robinson FS (2) 43 - Marcus A. Williams, 31 - Chris Banjo (FA 2019), 33 - Saquan Hampton (R6P4, #177), 38 - Terrell Williams, Jr. (FA 2019) SS (2) 24 - Vonn Bell, 22 - Chauncey Gardner (R4P3, #105), 48 - J.T. Gray, 36 - T. J. Green (FA 2019) LCB (2) 25 - Eli Apple, 20 - Ken Crawley (RFA 2019), 39 - Kayvon Webster (FA 2019) KICKING K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz (RFA 2019) P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (ERFA 2019) RS (1) 11 - Deonte Harris (UDFA 2019), 35 - Marcus Sherels (FA 2019) Active Roster Count - Total: 90 (53); Offense: 45; Defense: 40; Kicking: 5 Reserve/Injured 37 - Javorius "Buck" Allen (FA 2019) 76 - Kenny Bigelow (UDFA 2019) 79 - Chris Clark (FA 2019) 30 - Matt Dayes (FA 2019) 65 - Ulrick John (FA 2019) Reserve/Non-Football Injury 54 - Chase Hansen (UDFA 2019) Reserve/Did Not Report 57 - Carl Granderson (UDFA 2019) KEY: Projected Starter Free Agent (FA 2019) Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2019) Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2019) Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#) Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2019) Injured, Injured/Reserve, Injured/PUP |
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Fans have no appreciation what he's been tasked - learning a new position, IN THE NFL NO LESS; as well as being asked to bulk-up, likely a minimum of 30lbs, IN LESS THAN A YEAR; and learn to be an in-line blocker! Quote:
So having four (4) TEs gives us different looks and match-up opportunities... |
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According to... I think Seth Dunlap (not certain and I can’t dig up the tweet right now) there’s legit discussion amongst coaches about Trey Hendrickson starting over Davenport.
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NCB (2) 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2019), 21 - Patrick Robinson
I just don't know about PRob any more. |
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The thinking is Davenport will be brought in on 3rd and long from what I think I heard so being the starter might not mean much. They will be switched out often or, both in the DL. It's scenario based and less to do with Davenport is inferior.
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Careful here. FWIW, Davenport looked good vs Jets 1's. |
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32 - Devine Ozigbo (UDFA 2019
I re watched the Jets game ... Devine has soft hands out of the backfield. So fluid to say he's a rookie. In Sean Payton's offense ...that's huge. He is that guy some were looking for in Boston Scott last camp. If I'm the Saints RB coach, I can't cut Dwayne (s/t ace) or Ozigbo. They both bring value to the table. |
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RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore < ----- watching him strip the ball cleanly and forcing a turnover was refreshing.
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2019 New Orleans Saints – PreSeason, Gm 4 New Orleans Saints vs Miami Dolphins
OFFENSE QB (3) 9 – Drew Brees, 5 - Teddy Bridgewater (FA 2019), 7 - Taysom Hill RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray (FA 2019), 27 - Dwayne Washington, 32 - Devine Ozigbo (UDFA 2019), 37 - Jacquizz Rodgers (FA 2019), 30 - Kerwynn Williams (FA 2019)FB (1) 42 - Zach Line, 44 - Shane Smith (FA 2019), 46 - Michael Burton (FA 2019) WR-X (2) 13 - Michael Thomas, 18 - Keith Kirkwood, 15 - Simmie Cobbs, Jr., 17 - Emmanuel Butler (UDFA 2019) WR-S (2) 80 - Austin Carr, 83 - Cyril Grayson (UDFA 2019), 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (UDFA 2019) LT (1) 72 - Terron Armstead, 77 - Marshall Newhouse (FA 2019), 73 - Ethan Greenidge (UDFA 2019) LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 62 - Nick Easton (FA 2019), 64 - Will Clapp C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy (R2P16, #48), 66 - Ryan Groy (FA 2019), 61 - Marcus Henry (FA 2019) RG (2) 67 - Larry Warford, 63 - Cameron Tom (ERFA 2019), 60 - Patrick Omameh (FA 2019) RT (1) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 70 - Michael Ola (FA 2019), 68 - Derrick Kelly (UDFA 2019) TE (3) 87 - Jared Cook, 89 - Josh Hill, 81 - A.J. Derby (FA 2019), 85 - Dan Arnold, 45 - Garrett Griffin, 86 - Alizé Mack (R7P17, #231) WR-Z (2) 19 - Ted Ginn, 10 - Tra'Quan Smith, 14 - Travin Dural (FA 2019) DEFENSE RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 91 - Trey Hendrickson, 99 - Geneo Grissom (FA 2019) NT (2) 90 - Malcolm Brown (FA 2019), 95 - Taylor Stallworth, 96 - Sylvester Williams (FA 2019), 76 - Ziggy Hood (FA 2019) DT3 (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 97 - Mario Edwards, Jr. (FA 2019), 74 - Shy Tuttle (UDFA 2019) 98 - Sheldon Rankins (Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform)LDE (2) 94 - Cameron Jordan, 50 - Wes Horton (FA 2019), 69 - Corbin Kaufusi (UDFA 2019) WLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 52 - Craig Robertson (FA 2019), 51 - Colton Jumper (FA 2019), 54 - Josh Martin (FA 2019) MLB (2) 47 - Alex Anzalone, 55 - Kaden Elliss (R7P30, #244), 44 - Darnell Sankey (RFC 2019), 40 - Will Compton (FA 2019) SLB (2) 53 - A.J. Klein, 59 - Vince Biegel (ERFA 2019), 58 - Porter Gustin (UDFA 2019) RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 34 - Justin Hardee (ERFA 2019) NCB (2) 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2019), 21 - Patrick Robinson FS (2) 43 - Marcus A. Williams, 31 - Chris Banjo (FA 2019), 33 - Saquan Hampton (R6P4, #177), 38 - Terrell Williams, Jr. (FA 2019) SS (2) 24 - Vonn Bell, 22 - Chauncey Gardner (R4P3, #105), 48 - J.T. Gray, 36 - T. J. Green (FA 2019) LCB (2) 25 - Eli Apple, 20 - Ken Crawley (RFA 2019), 39 - Kayvon Webster (FA 2019) KICKING K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz (RFA 2019) P (1) 6 - Thomas Morstead LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood (ERFA 2019) RS (1) 11 - Deonte Harris (UDFA 2019), 35 - Marcus Sherels (FA 2019) Active Roster Count - Total: 90 (53); Offense: 45; Defense: 40; Kicking: 5 Reserve/Injured 37 - Javorius "Buck" Allen (FA 2019) 76 - Kenny Bigelow (UDFA 2019) 79 - Chris Clark (FA 2019) 30 - Matt Dayes (FA 2019) 65 - Ulrick John (FA 2019) Reserve/Non-Football Injury 54 - Chase Hansen (UDFA 2019) Reserve/Did Not Report 57 - Carl Granderson (UDFA 2019) KEY: Projected Starter Free Agent (FA 2019) Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2019) Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2019) Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#) Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2019) Injured, Injured/Reserve, Injured/PUP |
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Zach Line can give you that same plodding boom-boom-boom that Washington gives you; Zach Line came into the league as a RB, holding rushing records in the NCAAs... |
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Now with Dwayne getting concussed (dirty hit if you ask me) vs Jets, Devine will get more than enough touches vs Miami for coaches to evaluate and discuss. |
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I just read that PRob's contract is fully guaranteed this season so highly doubtful he goes anywhere for 2019.
Source - > https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/new-orle...robinson-6541/ ** It's specified in the 2nd bullet point under "Contract Notes" |
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I told my wife I wanted Ozigbo to make the team, just because I like saying his name more than Washington.
I'm also not feeling Patrick Robinson. Yes he was on the Eagles Super Bowl roster, but the two years he fully started for us were the listless, uninspired bad defense, 7-9 type years, and he was part of the all-time worst defense under Spags. Maybe the coaches and people see things in the analytics, bringing him back, but I'm just not feeling him in my gut. |
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PRob = Byrd
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Damn, he'd worked so hard too - he needed a TE number, that FB number jinxed him...
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