2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

ChrisXVI · 08-25-2019, 11:15 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Yeah, and if history of the team under Payton tells us anything, they'll be several roster moves in the first two weeks of the season...

Backup OT wasn't a concern last year because Peat would kick out as he'd always done; but, in light of his conditioning and probably lack of full recovery, there may be a need for it...

Then again, it might also help Will Clapp's case as he can play effectively at all three interior spots as well as RT in a pinch...

That’s the thing with Peat... They kept him at LG a lot and sent in Bushrod last year to play LT. If Peat doesn’t have that versatility anymore then I don’t know what we’re holding onto him for at $9.6 mil.

jeanpierre · 08-25-2019, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

That’s the thing with Peat... They kept him at LG a lot and sent in Bushrod last year to play LT. If Peat doesn’t have that versatility anymore then I don’t know what we’re holding onto him for at $9.6 mil.

Was there another option at that price on the market?

Norwell would've been the only upgrade, but he signed for significantly more than that...

And I didn't get that either with Bushrod as he did very well in Miami as a LG, guess the wanted continuity for Peat and didn't kick him out when Mr. Glass took holiday...

jeanpierre · 08-25-2019, 11:35 AM

Man, the more I look at our receiving optons, it comes down to this question:

What four of five to keep among Keith Kirkwood, Dan Arnold, Cyril Grayson, Austin Carr, and Emmanuel Butler...

Keith Kirkwood has the best hands I've seen on the team and given his development as a WR didn't begin till the NFL, that's a lot of talent there...
Dan Arnold has developed well, even if it wasn't a new postion, despite fans' obsession of two plays; am more concerned he's plateaued adding bulk to be an effective, all-around TE...
But I really like having four (4) TEs...
Left Cyril Grayson off the roster, but he has rare speed; then Ted Ginn is 34yo; and Grayson's a legit RS threat himself; so few burners at WR; yeah, I'm rethinking leaving him off my projected roster...
Austin Carr has reliable hands and disciplined routes; has spent a lot of time in our offense; concerned with letting that walk-off...
Don't know enough about Emmanuel Butler's injury to know if he'll be fragile; but he sure looks like every bit of Marques Colston; may need to cement his job Week four...

ChrisXVI · 08-25-2019, 07:15 PM

RB: 41 Alvin Kamara, 28 Latavius Murray, 27 Dwayne Washington, 32 Devine Ozigbo

I have to keep four RB’s. If makes me too nervous having any less.

WR: 13 Michael Thomas, 19 Ted Ginn Jr, 10 Tre’Quan Smith, 18 Keith Kirkwood, 17 Emmanuel Butler, 11 Deonte Harris

Not knowing the nature of Kirkwood’s injury, this is who I have making it right now. In this scenario, Butler would be inactive on game days while he develops. The team may very likely keep Austin Carr instead of Butler and try to sneak the latter onto the practice squad.

TE: 87 Jared Cook, 89 Josh Hill, 85 Dan Arnold, 85 AJ Derby

Dan Arnold has the occasional concentration lapse, but the man makes some excellent catches too. He has no issue making catches down the seam knowing he’s about to get drilled by a safety. I’m keeping AJ Derby as well. With really bad depth on the O-Line I want an extra TE that can block.

jeanpierre · 08-26-2019, 07:07 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

TE: 87 Jared Cook, 89 Josh Hill, 85 Dan Arnold, 85 AJ Derby

Dan Arnold has the occasional concentration lapse, but the man makes some excellent catches too. He has no issue making catches down the seam knowing he’s about to get drilled by a safety.

I'm still amazed how many fans want to write-off this talent; no one b*tched about the officiating in the NFCCG until the infamous "no-call", but he was mauled in the end-zone by two Rams defenders and "no-call"...

Fans have no appreciation what he's been tasked - learning a new position, IN THE NFL NO LESS; as well as being asked to bulk-up, likely a minimum of 30lbs, IN LESS THAN A YEAR; and learn to be an in-line blocker!

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

I’m keeping AJ Derby as well. With really bad depth on the O-Line I want an extra TE that can block.

Yeah, Derby is a good change of pace and has good size; know many are excited, big on Cook, but I look at that man's skinny legs and his career numbers, he's not a full-time starter, but a great complimentary TE...

So having four (4) TEs gives us different looks and match-up opportunities...

ChrisXVI · 08-25-2019, 07:36 PM

CB: 23 Marshon Lattimore, 25 Eli Apple, 39 Kayvon Webster, 34 Justin Hardee

Nickel CB: 26 PJ Williams, 22 Chauncey Gardner-Johnson

That’s right folks, no PRob. He’s had no first-team reps at nickel and he’s shown this preseason that he has no value on the outside. Here’s the issue though: we have to trade him. If we cut him it’s a $5.25 mil cap hit. Trading him will only carry a $1.25 mil cap hit with $4 mil in space opened up. He’s likely to only fetch a late-round pick but I think it’s a smart move.

FS: 43 Marcus Williams, 33 Saquan Hampton

SS: 24 Vonn Bell, 48 JT Gray

We don’t know the nature of Hampton’s injury so it could be Banjo in his place. Assuming Hampton is fine, I’m cutting Banjo because he’s been awful. I like what I’ve seen from JT Gray. He’s great on special teams and seeing him get reps with the 2’s last night made me think the coaches like him more than the fans.

jeanpierre · 08-25-2019, 08:07 PM

Chris, per Over The Cap...

Cutting Chris Banjo would result in $1.45mil dead cap money and only $50K in savings; trading him would reduce the cap hit to $600K and $900K in savings...

Banjo, like Robertson, has a guaranteed contract this season virtually guaranteeing a roster spot...

So either we take the hit or trade Banjo if we want that slot for Hampton...

And I'm in your camp there, I'd prefer to keep Hampton...

ChrisXVI · 08-25-2019, 08:21 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Chris, per Over The Cap...

Cutting Chris Banjo would result in $1.45mil dead cap money and only $50K in savings; trading him would reduce the cap hit to $600K and $900K in savings...

Banjo, like Robertson, has a guaranteed contract this season virtually guaranteeing a roster spot...

So either we take the hit or trade Banjo if we want that slot for Hampton...

And I'm in your camp there, I'd prefer to keep Hampton...

D’oh! You’re right about Banjo. Nobody will trade for him though. That’s ok... we normally keep five safeties anyway and I’m classifying CGJ as a nickel CB.

FS: 43 Marcus Williams, 33 Saquan Hampton, 31 Chris Banjo

SS: 24 Vonn Bell, 48 JT Gray

jeanpierre · 08-25-2019, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

D’oh! You’re right about Banjo. Nobody will trade for him though. That’s ok... we normally keep five safeties anyway and I’m classifying CGJ as a nickel CB.

FS: 43 Marcus Williams, 33 Saquan Hampton, 31 Chris Banjo

SS: 24 Vonn Bell, 48 JT Gray

Not necessarily, sometimes you get those wink-wink, nod-nod deals where you trade a guy for a cond'l pick if he makes the roster or starts 50% of the games deal with another friendly trade partner...

But I'd be really surprised we take a $1mil cap hit to cut a reserve/kick coverage player...

ChrisXVI · 08-25-2019, 08:28 PM

I suppose Hampton’s been MIA so if he ends up on IR then it’s a non-issue. Keeping Banjo puts me at 54 on my projection though and I have no idea where to subtract one.

08-25-2019, 11:15 AM	#1
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Yeah, and if history of the team under Payton tells us anything, they'll be several roster moves in the first two weeks of the season... Backup OT wasn't a concern last year because Peat would kick out as he'd always done; but, in light of his conditioning and probably lack of full recovery, there may be a need for it... Then again, it might also help Will Clapp's case as he can play effectively at all three interior spots as well as RT in a pinch... That’s the thing with Peat... They kept him at LG a lot and sent in Bushrod last year to play LT. If Peat doesn’t have that versatility anymore then I don’t know what we’re holding onto him for at $9.6 mil.

08-25-2019, 11:24 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by ChrisXVI That’s the thing with Peat... They kept him at LG a lot and sent in Bushrod last year to play LT. If Peat doesn’t have that versatility anymore then I don’t know what we’re holding onto him for at $9.6 mil. Was there another option at that price on the market? Norwell would've been the only upgrade, but he signed for significantly more than that... And I didn't get that either with Bushrod as he did very well in Miami as a LG, guess the wanted continuity for Peat and didn't kick him out when Mr. Glass took holiday...
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08-25-2019, 11:35 AM	#3
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Man, the more I look at our receiving optons, it comes down to this question: What four of five to keep among Keith Kirkwood, Dan Arnold, Cyril Grayson, Austin Carr, and Emmanuel Butler... Keith Kirkwood has the best hands I've seen on the team and given his development as a WR didn't begin till the NFL, that's a lot of talent there... Dan Arnold has developed well, even if it wasn't a new postion, despite fans' obsession of two plays; am more concerned he's plateaued adding bulk to be an effective, all-around TE... But I really like having four (4) TEs... Left Cyril Grayson off the roster, but he has rare speed; then Ted Ginn is 34yo; and Grayson's a legit RS threat himself; so few burners at WR; yeah, I'm rethinking leaving him off my projected roster... Austin Carr has reliable hands and disciplined routes; has spent a lot of time in our offense; concerned with letting that walk-off... *Don't know enough about Emmanuel Butler's* injury to know if he'll be fragile; but he sure looks like every bit of Marques Colston; may need to cement his job Week four...**
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08-25-2019, 07:15 PM	#4
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook RB: 41 Alvin Kamara, 28 Latavius Murray, 27 Dwayne Washington, 32 Devine Ozigbo I have to keep four RB’s. If makes me too nervous having any less. WR: 13 Michael Thomas, 19 Ted Ginn Jr, 10 Tre’Quan Smith, 18 Keith Kirkwood, 17 Emmanuel Butler, 11 Deonte Harris Not knowing the nature of Kirkwood’s injury, this is who I have making it right now. In this scenario, Butler would be inactive on game days while he develops. The team may very likely keep Austin Carr instead of Butler and try to sneak the latter onto the practice squad. TE: 87 Jared Cook, 89 Josh Hill, 85 Dan Arnold, 85 AJ Derby Dan Arnold has the occasional concentration lapse, but the man makes some excellent catches too. He has no issue making catches down the seam knowing he’s about to get drilled by a safety. I’m keeping AJ Derby as well. With really bad depth on the O-Line I want an extra TE that can block.
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08-26-2019, 07:07 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by ChrisXVI TE: 87 Jared Cook, 89 Josh Hill, 85 Dan Arnold, 85 AJ Derby Dan Arnold has the occasional concentration lapse, but the man makes some excellent catches too. He has no issue making catches down the seam knowing he’s about to get drilled by a safety. I'm still amazed how many fans want to write-off this talent; no one btched about the officiating in the NFCCG until the infamous "no-call", but he was mauled in the end-zone by two Rams defenders and "no-call"... Fans have no appreciation what he's been tasked - learning a new position, IN THE NFL NO LESS; as well as being asked to bulk-up, likely a minimum of 30lbs, IN LESS THAN A YEAR; and learn to be an in-line blocker! Originally Posted by ChrisXVI* I’m keeping AJ Derby as well. With really bad depth on the O-Line I want an extra TE that can block. Yeah, Derby is a good change of pace and has good size; know many are excited, big on Cook, but I look at that man's skinny legs and his career numbers, he's not a full-time starter, but a great complimentary TE... So having four (4) TEs gives us different looks and match-up opportunities...
	It's not that my way is the right way, I just make the right way my way...

08-25-2019, 07:36 PM	#6
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook CB: 23 Marshon Lattimore, 25 Eli Apple, 39 Kayvon Webster, 34 Justin Hardee Nickel CB: 26 PJ Williams, 22 Chauncey Gardner-Johnson That’s right folks, no PRob. He’s had no first-team reps at nickel and he’s shown this preseason that he has no value on the outside. Here’s the issue though: we have to trade him. If we cut him it’s a $5.25 mil cap hit. Trading him will only carry a $1.25 mil cap hit with $4 mil in space opened up. He’s likely to only fetch a late-round pick but I think it’s a smart move. FS: 43 Marcus Williams, 33 Saquan Hampton SS: 24 Vonn Bell, 48 JT Gray We don’t know the nature of Hampton’s injury so it could be Banjo in his place. Assuming Hampton is fine, I’m cutting Banjo because he’s been awful. I like what I’ve seen from JT Gray. He’s great on special teams and seeing him get reps with the 2’s last night made me think the coaches like him more than the fans.
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08-25-2019, 08:07 PM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Chris, per Over The Cap... Cutting Chris Banjo would result in $1.45mil dead cap money and only $50K in savings; trading him would reduce the cap hit to $600K and $900K in savings... Banjo, like Robertson, has a guaranteed contract this season virtually guaranteeing a roster spot... So either we take the hit or trade Banjo if we want that slot for Hampton... And I'm in your camp there, I'd prefer to keep Hampton...

08-25-2019, 08:21 PM	#8
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Chris, per Over The Cap... Cutting Chris Banjo would result in $1.45mil dead cap money and only $50K in savings; trading him would reduce the cap hit to $600K and $900K in savings... Banjo, like Robertson, has a guaranteed contract this season virtually guaranteeing a roster spot... So either we take the hit or trade Banjo if we want that slot for Hampton... And I'm in your camp there, I'd prefer to keep Hampton... D’oh! You’re right about Banjo. Nobody will trade for him though. That’s ok... we normally keep five safeties anyway and I’m classifying CGJ as a nickel CB. FS: 43 Marcus Williams, 33 Saquan Hampton, 31 Chris Banjo SS: 24 Vonn Bell, 48 JT Gray

08-25-2019, 08:23 PM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by ChrisXVI D’oh! You’re right about Banjo. Nobody will trade for him though. That’s ok... we normally keep five safeties anyway and I’m classifying CGJ as a nickel CB. FS: 43 Marcus Williams, 33 Saquan Hampton, 31 Chris Banjo SS: 24 Vonn Bell, 48 JT Gray Not necessarily, sometimes you get those wink-wink, nod-nod deals where you trade a guy for a cond'l pick if he makes the roster or starts 50% of the games deal with another friendly trade partner... But I'd be really surprised we take a $1mil cap hit to cut a reserve/kick coverage player...

08-25-2019, 08:28 PM	#10
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook I suppose Hampton’s been MIA so if he ends up on IR then it’s a non-issue. Keeping Banjo puts me at 54 on my projection though and I have no idea where to subtract one.

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