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this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; Tre'quan Smith had 1 catch for 13 yards vs a so call bad ATL team. 1 catch from your third rounder. Meanwhile his draft mate from Dallas Michael Gallup (on pace for 1k receiving) had 4 catches / 76 yards ...

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Old 11-14-2019, 07:32 AM   #1
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Tre'quan Smith had 1 catch for 13 yards vs a so call bad ATL team. 1 catch from your third rounder.

Meanwhile his draft mate from Dallas Michael Gallup (on pace for 1k receiving) had 4 catches / 76 yards and a TD vs MINN.

Anyone still believe that we don't have a WR #2, #3 concern in New Orleans?
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Old 11-14-2019, 08:17 AM   #2
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Tre'quan Smith had 1 catch for 13 yards vs a so call bad ATL team. 1 catch from your third rounder.

Meanwhile his draft mate from Dallas Michael Gallup (on pace for 1k receiving) had 4 catches / 76 yards and a TD vs MINN.

Anyone still believe that we don't have a WR #2, #3 concern in New Orleans?
I will admit that you are correct. Atlanta knew that 1.) we had no one beyond Thomas who could successfully find an open spot, 2.) catch the ball consistently, and 3.) block successfully even a basic four man rush (for whatever reason). They completely took away our running game as an option knowing that our passing attack was limited even with minimal pressure. If we had a couple more reasonable threats at WR they would not have been able to sell out to stop the run. The Saints have always been their best under Payton when they were able to execute the pass to set up the run, not vise versa.

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I will admit that you are correct. Atlanta knew that 1.) we had no one beyond Thomas who could successfully find an open spot, 2.) catch the ball consistently, and 3.) block successfully even a basic four man rush (for whatever reason). They completely took away our running game as an option knowing that our passing attack was limited even with minimal pressure. If we had a couple more reasonable threats at WR they would not have been able to sell out to stop the run. The Saints have always been their best under Payton when they were able to execute the pass to set up the run, not vise versa.
They didn't sell out to stop the run, we never tried running the ball. We had 10 rushing attempts all game and averaged more than 4ypc... it was a coaching decision to not run the ball. I have heard the excuse that we were behind so it forced us to pass, but I discount that, we were within 1 score until the 4th QTR.
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They didn't sell out to stop the run, we never tried running the ball. We had 10 rushing attempts all game and averaged more than 4ypc... it was a coaching decision to not run the ball. I have heard the excuse that we were behind so it forced us to pass, but I discount that, we were within 1 score until the 4th QTR.
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I understand and agree with the premise, but we were having success running the ball at 4.7 ypc, AK was getting 6 yards a pop. It was a coaching call that was not dictated by the ATL defense, and with a banged up or sick offensive line we should have put an emphasis on the run game.

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ATL ran the ball less effectively, their top backs averaging 3.8 and 3.1 YPC, but they stuck with the running game and wore our defense down going into the 4th QTR.

It felt like we swapped gameplans with ATL for one week...

This has been a run first team for the last 3 seasons and it needs to continue if we are going to have success.

The Saints are 0-42 when running the ball less than 15 times in a game.
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I understand and agree with the premise, but we were having success running the ball at 4.7 ypc, AK was getting 6 yards a pop. It was a coaching call that was not dictated by the ATL defense, and with a banged up or sick offensive line we should have put an emphasis on the run game.

Edit, as you have addressed it in other posts:
ATL ran the ball less effectively, their top backs averaging 3.8 and 3.1 YPC, but they stuck with the running game and wore our defense down going into the 4th QTR.

It felt like we swapped gameplans with ATL for one week...

This has been a run first team for the last 3 seasons and it needs to continue if we are going to have success.
That 4.7 yards per carry included an 11 yarder from Taysom Hill and five yards from Ginn. Kamara's longest carry (8 yards) and Murray's longest run (6 yards) came on back to back plays in the first quarter. Looking at the game log I see that the running game was replaced by a number of short passes, which have always been an extension of the run game for the Saints offense. Those short passes were no more effective than the running game.

The Falcons offense was stopped on several occasions only to be bailed out on those defensive hands to the face penalties. They were afforded the ability to stick to the run and run the clock with the lead.

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That 4.7 yards per carry included an 11 yarder from Taysom Hill and five yards from Ginn. Kamara's longest carry (8 yards) and Murray's longest run (6 yards) came on back to back plays in the first quarter. Looking at the game log I see that the running game was replaced by a number of short passes, which have always been an extension of the run game for the Saints offense. Those short passes were no more effective than the running game.
Tampa D is currently ranked #1 vs the run.

Does that mean the game plan is to throw it 40 + times on Sunday?
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They didn't sell out to stop the run, we never tried running the ball. We had 10 rushing attempts all game and averaged more than 4ypc... it was a coaching decision to not run the ball. I have heard the excuse that we were behind so it forced us to pass, but I discount that, we were within 1 score until the 4th QTR.
Just to piggy back on this ....


Latavius has had 2 games against good defenses where he's had over 120 yards of total offense yet in the ATL game, he rarely touched the ball.

I'm not really sure what Coach was trying to prove here.

Passing the ball 40+ times when you don't have to was asking for a L.
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Just to piggy back on this ....


Latavius has had 2 games against good defenses where he's had over 120 yards of total offense yet in the ATL game, he rarely touched the ball.

I'm not really sure what Coach was trying to prove here.

Passing the ball 40+ times when you don't have to was asking for a L.
Murray had more rush attempts than any other Saint in the game. He had five carries for 12 yards. Kamara had four attempts for 24 yards with eight of those coming on one play. Taysom had one attempt for 11 yards and Ginn had one carry for five yards.

And who says they didn't have to pass the ball? If the defensive looks showed that a running play had little or no chance of success what do you gain by running it? Atlanta was daring the Saints to pass the ball. If Ginn and Smith had made a few catches on balls thrown right into their hands then maybe we could have had more opportunities to actually run the ball. As I mentioned earlier, Payton's offense has always been one where the pass set up the run, not the other way around. We are not built to pound the ball, especially with a seemingly crippled offensive line that game.

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Murray had more rush attempts than any other Saint in the game. He had five carries for 12 yards. Kamara had four attempts for 24 yards with eight of those coming on one play. Taysom had one attempt for 11 yards and Ginn had one carry for five yards.
5 carries all game for a volume back. That's crazy.

No excuses. Get it done vs Tampa.
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