2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

AsylumGuido · 11-14-2019, 09:29 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

They didn't sell out to stop the run, we never tried running the ball. We had 10 rushing attempts all game and averaged more than 4ypc... it was a coaching decision to not run the ball. I have heard the excuse that we were behind so it forced us to pass, but I discount that, we were within 1 score until the 4th QTR.

Read this post:

http://blackandgold.com/saints/96007...tml#post867357

It will explain.

blackangold · 11-14-2019, 11:24 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Read this post:

http://blackandgold.com/saints/96007...tml#post867357

It will explain.

I understand and agree with the premise, but we were having success running the ball at 4.7 ypc, AK was getting 6 yards a pop. It was a coaching call that was not dictated by the ATL defense, and with a banged up or sick offensive line we should have put an emphasis on the run game.

Edit, as you have addressed it in other posts:
ATL ran the ball less effectively, their top backs averaging 3.8 and 3.1 YPC, but they stuck with the running game and wore our defense down going into the 4th QTR.

It felt like we swapped gameplans with ATL for one week...

This has been a run first team for the last 3 seasons and it needs to continue if we are going to have success.

AsylumGuido · 11-14-2019, 01:29 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

I understand and agree with the premise, but we were having success running the ball at 4.7 ypc, AK was getting 6 yards a pop. It was a coaching call that was not dictated by the ATL defense, and with a banged up or sick offensive line we should have put an emphasis on the run game.

Edit, as you have addressed it in other posts:
ATL ran the ball less effectively, their top backs averaging 3.8 and 3.1 YPC, but they stuck with the running game and wore our defense down going into the 4th QTR.

It felt like we swapped gameplans with ATL for one week...

This has been a run first team for the last 3 seasons and it needs to continue if we are going to have success.

That 4.7 yards per carry included an 11 yarder from Taysom Hill and five yards from Ginn. Kamara's longest carry (8 yards) and Murray's longest run (6 yards) came on back to back plays in the first quarter. Looking at the game log I see that the running game was replaced by a number of short passes, which have always been an extension of the run game for the Saints offense. Those short passes were no more effective than the running game.

The Falcons offense was stopped on several occasions only to be bailed out on those defensive hands to the face penalties. They were afforded the ability to stick to the run and run the clock with the lead.

K Major · 11-14-2019, 02:45 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

That 4.7 yards per carry included an 11 yarder from Taysom Hill and five yards from Ginn. Kamara's longest carry (8 yards) and Murray's longest run (6 yards) came on back to back plays in the first quarter. Looking at the game log I see that the running game was replaced by a number of short passes, which have always been an extension of the run game for the Saints offense. Those short passes were no more effective than the running game.

Tampa D is currently ranked #1 vs the run.

Does that mean the game plan is to throw it 40 + times on Sunday?

AsylumGuido · 11-14-2019, 02:53 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Tampa D is currently ranked #1 vs the run.

Does that mean the game plan is to throw it 40 + times on Sunday?

Given the fact that Tampa's D is currently ranked #32 versus the pass it would make sense.

K Major · 11-14-2019, 03:20 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Given the fact that Tampa's D is currently ranked #32 versus the pass it would make sense.

That's not really saying a whole lot given the fact that Atlanta was ranked 26th against the pass heading into last week's game.

Saints had 9 points last week.

AsylumGuido · 11-14-2019, 03:52 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

That's not really saying a whole lot given the fact that Atlanta was ranked 26th against the pass heading into last week's game.

Saints had 9 points last week.

I look at that as an anomaly. We know for a fact our elite left tackle was suffering from the flu and now it seems that others on the offensive line may have been affected, as well. Our competent LG breaks his arm 22 snaps into the game. The Falcons came in more focused and motivated for one reason or another. I don't think we can take anything away from that game that tells us what to expect moving forward ... except ... what you have been preaching all along ... we need someone other than Thomas that can be trusted to make plays and catch the ball at WR. Hopefully Kirkwood can be that person. Or Dez, perhaps.

11-14-2019, 11:24 AM	#2
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Read this post: http://blackandgold.com/saints/96007...tml#post867357 It will explain. I understand and agree with the premise, but we were having success running the ball at 4.7 ypc, AK was getting 6 yards a pop. It was a coaching call that was not dictated by the ATL defense, and with a banged up or sick offensive line we should have put an emphasis on the run game. Edit, as you have addressed it in other posts: ATL ran the ball less effectively, their top backs averaging 3.8 and 3.1 YPC, but they stuck with the running game and wore our defense down going into the 4th QTR. It felt like we swapped gameplans with ATL for one week... This has been a run first team for the last 3 seasons and it needs to continue if we are going to have success.
	The Saints are 0-42 when running the ball less than 15 times in a game.

11-14-2019, 01:29 PM	#3
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,709	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by blackangold I understand and agree with the premise, but we were having success running the ball at 4.7 ypc, AK was getting 6 yards a pop. It was a coaching call that was not dictated by the ATL defense, and with a banged up or sick offensive line we should have put an emphasis on the run game. Edit, as you have addressed it in other posts: ATL ran the ball less effectively, their top backs averaging 3.8 and 3.1 YPC, but they stuck with the running game and wore our defense down going into the 4th QTR. It felt like we swapped gameplans with ATL for one week... This has been a run first team for the last 3 seasons and it needs to continue if we are going to have success. That 4.7 yards per carry included an 11 yarder from Taysom Hill and five yards from Ginn. Kamara's longest carry (8 yards) and Murray's longest run (6 yards) came on back to back plays in the first quarter. Looking at the game log I see that the running game was replaced by a number of short passes, which have always been an extension of the run game for the Saints offense. Those short passes were no more effective than the running game. The Falcons offense was stopped on several occasions only to be bailed out on those defensive hands to the face penalties. They were afforded the ability to stick to the run and run the clock with the lead.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

11-14-2019, 02:45 PM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by AsylumGuido That 4.7 yards per carry included an 11 yarder from Taysom Hill and five yards from Ginn. Kamara's longest carry (8 yards) and Murray's longest run (6 yards) came on back to back plays in the first quarter. Looking at the game log I see that the running game was replaced by a number of short passes, which have always been an extension of the run game for the Saints offense. Those short passes were no more effective than the running game. Tampa D is currently ranked #1 vs the run. Does that mean the game plan is to throw it 40 + times on Sunday?

11-14-2019, 02:53 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,709	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major Tampa D is currently ranked #1 vs the run. Does that mean the game plan is to throw it 40 + times on Sunday? Given the fact that Tampa's D is currently ranked #32 versus the pass it would make sense.

11-14-2019, 03:20 PM	#6
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,840 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Given the fact that Tampa's D is currently ranked #32 versus the pass it would make sense. That's not really saying a whole lot given the fact that Atlanta was ranked 26th against the pass heading into last week's game. Saints had 9 points last week.

11-14-2019, 09:29 AM	#1
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,709	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by blackangold They didn't sell out to stop the run, we never tried running the ball. We had 10 rushing attempts all game and averaged more than 4ypc... it was a coaching decision to not run the ball. I have heard the excuse that we were behind so it forced us to pass, but I discount that, we were within 1 score until the 4th QTR. Read this post: http://blackandgold.com/saints/96007...tml#post867357 It will explain.

11-14-2019, 03:52 PM	#7
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,709	Re: 2019 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major That's not really saying a whole lot given the fact that Atlanta was ranked 26th against the pass heading into last week's game. Saints had 9 points last week. I look at that as an anomaly. We know for a fact our elite left tackle was suffering from the flu and now it seems that others on the offensive line may have been affected, as well. Our competent LG breaks his arm 22 snaps into the game. The Falcons came in more focused and motivated for one reason or another. I don't think we can take anything away from that game that tells us what to expect moving forward ... except ... what you have been preaching all along ... we need someone other than Thomas that can be trusted to make plays and catch the ball at WR. Hopefully Kirkwood can be that person. Or Dez, perhaps.
	“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

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