Minkah Fitzpatrick

rezburna · 09-14-2019, 02:00 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

That’s a problem with today’s NFL. These rookie players all feel like they are entitled to playing for a contender. Nobody wants to sit on a team for 2-3 years while a team rebuilds. I don’t like the thought of what it would be like if players start deciding when and where they are going to play.
If players had this same attitude in 06 we wouldn’t be where we are.
Millennials suck and are *****s

Why would you be against people deciding where they want to live and work?

jeanpierre · 09-14-2019, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Why would you be against people deciding where they want to live and work?

Rez, you make a valid point about that that we forget their human too; but fans, however meager it is to billionaire owners and millionaire athletes, do invest their time and little money in teams and players, too.

As irrational as it is, the hurt is real when your team is spurned, your values disrespected by a player(s). Yes, they're people too, often young, self-absorbed, enabled, and flawed...

But you don't get a complete pass as an athlete when you're willing to take the money and the spotlight for fame, they too have to make sacrifices to their loyal customer base...

How many here wouldn't change a spare tire and offer a meal inside their home for one of our Saints here? Hell, look at how many folks go out to MSY and welcome the team back - after a big loss!!!

Well, if you want the public adoration, fame, as well as the coin those people give to make those contracts possible - players too need to to sacrifice, respect those good folks who support their NFL Life...

rezburna · 09-14-2019, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Rez, you make a valid point about that that we forget their human too; but fans, however meager it is to billionaire owners and millionaire athletes, do invest their time and little money in teams and players, too.

As irrational as it is, the hurt is real when your team is spurned, your values disrespected by a player(s). Yes, they're people too, often young, self-absorbed, enabled, and flawed...

But you don't get a complete pass as an athlete when you're willing to take the money and the spotlight for fame, they too have to make sacrifices to their loyal customer base...

How many here wouldn't change a spare tire and offer a meal inside their home for one of our Saints here? Hell, look at how many folks go out to MSY and welcome the team back - after a big loss!!!

Well, if you want the public adoration, fame, as well as the coin those people give to make those contracts possible - players too need to to sacrifice, respect those good folks who support their NFL Life...

As a fan I definitely understand the hurt when a player wants to leave. Anthony Davis and Chris Paul broke my heart with New Orleans. As a person I understand. I just moved to Kenner in July for more opportunity for upward mobility that Mississippi just couldn’t (or wouldn’t) provide me. I don’t want to go down with a sinking ship. That ship in Miami is on fire and I hope Flores can put it out.

The Dude · 09-16-2019, 04:36 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Why would you be against people deciding where they want to live and work?

Because they are under contract. They made a commitment, there used to be a thing called sportsmanship. I’m not talking about a 10 year veteran with skins on the wall who wants to find a team that’s a contender. He’s paid his dues, fulfilled contracts, and proven himself. The guys who are in the league for two years and start whining about wanting to be traded are just childish. I don’t like the precedent it sets.

CHA_CHING · 09-14-2019, 08:03 PM

Originally Posted by The Dude

If players had this same attitude in 06 we wouldn’t be where we are.
Millennials suck and are *****s

John Elway and Eli Manning say hi. I don't blame either of them for refusing to go to Indy or San Diego. They knew what they were doing staying away from teams with bad management.

As I said in a previous post; players and coaches never want to tank. It's on management that intentionally does this.

Not every player is going to be Larry Fitzgerald and stay loyal to a team that is ran into the ground from awful management.

jeanpierre · 09-14-2019, 02:20 PM

Back on subject, if Miami were to accept a third and a player, for example Vonn Bell on a sign and trade, then working Over The Cap's figures, we could take on Minkah's first round contract...

Play Minkah how Bell's used, let Gardner push P.J. for the nickel, let Marcus play out his rookie deal at FS until, maybe Saquan could take over; extend Lattimore in another year - secondary would be pretty solid...

All you'd need is an outside corner at Apple's spot should he find a better deal elsewhere, use your No. 1 pick there...

saintfan · 09-14-2019, 07:51 PM

jeanpierre · 09-16-2019, 07:31 AM

Until we know the severity of Drew Brees's injury, this situation reinforces my belief that teams should never go all-in as you can lose your best player in one play that your championship hopes are tethered...

That said, wasn't crazy about trading for Minkah, but after yesterday, Bell shouldn't be in our long-term plans...

I'd package Bell with a third and offer it to Miami, especially since Dallas has pulled out of the sweepstakes and the market may be drying up...

Cooper Kupp, who, full disclosure, I admittedly wanted more than Marcus Williams or Alvin Kamara, absolutely was the kill-shot for secondary...

Minkah's skill set would have been a much better matchup there than Bell or P J Williams...

Don't overreact, misinterpret - Not saying blow everything up after a terrible loss, but we've got tools in the tool box for a great secondary...

Lattimore got caught trying to do much but will be fine. Gardner would be great complement with Minkah in SS/NB duties. Marcus improves, or Saquon gets an opportunity...

K Major · 09-16-2019, 07:35 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

That said, wasn't crazy about trading for Minkah, but after yesterday, Bell shouldn't be in our long-term plans. I'd package Bell with a third and offer it to Miami, especially since Dallas has pulled out of the sweepstakes...

Like I stated in a previous posts, we likely lose Marcus Williams and/or Bell next year. That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.

BTW Cooper Kupp had Lattimore on roller skates yesterday.

WillMacKenzie · 09-16-2019, 09:47 AM

You could play 4 or 5 safety sets and I’d venture to guess they still wouldn’t show up on the play

09-14-2019, 02:00 PM	#1
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,096	Re: Minkah Fitzpatrick Originally Posted by The Dude That’s a problem with today’s NFL. These rookie players all feel like they are entitled to playing for a contender. Nobody wants to sit on a team for 2-3 years while a team rebuilds. I don’t like the thought of what it would be like if players start deciding when and where they are going to play. If players had this same attitude in 06 we wouldn’t be where we are. Millennials suck and are *****s Why would you be against people deciding where they want to live and work? Rell&Gold and K Major like this.

09-14-2019, 02:14 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Minkah Fitzpatrick Originally Posted by rezburna Why would you be against people deciding where they want to live and work? Rez, you make a valid point about that that we forget their human too; but fans, however meager it is to billionaire owners and millionaire athletes, do invest their time and little money in teams and players, too. As irrational as it is, the hurt is real when your team is spurned, your values disrespected by a player(s). Yes, they're people too, often young, self-absorbed, enabled, and flawed... But you don't get a complete pass as an athlete when you're willing to take the money and the spotlight for fame, they too have to make sacrifices to their loyal customer base... How many here wouldn't change a spare tire and offer a meal inside their home for one of our Saints here? Hell, look at how many folks go out to MSY and welcome the team back - after a big loss!!! Well, if you want the public adoration, fame, as well as the coin those people give to make those contracts possible - players too need to to sacrifice, respect those good folks who support their NFL Life... Crusader and rezburna like this.
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09-14-2019, 02:24 PM	#3
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 8,096	Re: Minkah Fitzpatrick Originally Posted by jeanpierre Rez, you make a valid point about that that we forget their human too; but fans, however meager it is to billionaire owners and millionaire athletes, do invest their time and little money in teams and players, too. As irrational as it is, the hurt is real when your team is spurned, your values disrespected by a player(s). Yes, they're people too, often young, self-absorbed, enabled, and flawed... But you don't get a complete pass as an athlete when you're willing to take the money and the spotlight for fame, they too have to make sacrifices to their loyal customer base... How many here wouldn't change a spare tire and offer a meal inside their home for one of our Saints here? Hell, look at how many folks go out to MSY and welcome the team back - after a big loss!!! Well, if you want the public adoration, fame, as well as the coin those people give to make those contracts possible - players too need to to sacrifice, respect those good folks who support their NFL Life... As a fan I definitely understand the hurt when a player wants to leave. Anthony Davis and Chris Paul broke my heart with New Orleans. As a person I understand. I just moved to Kenner in July for more opportunity for upward mobility that Mississippi just couldn’t (or wouldn’t) provide me. I don’t want to go down with a sinking ship. That ship in Miami is on fire and I hope Flores can put it out. Crusader, jeanpierre and K Major like this.

09-16-2019, 04:36 PM	#4
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,060	Re: Minkah Fitzpatrick Originally Posted by rezburna Why would you be against people deciding where they want to live and work? Because they are under contract. They made a commitment, there used to be a thing called sportsmanship. I’m not talking about a 10 year veteran with skins on the wall who wants to find a team that’s a contender. He’s paid his dues, fulfilled contracts, and proven himself. The guys who are in the league for two years and start whining about wanting to be traded are just childish. I don’t like the precedent it sets.
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09-14-2019, 08:03 PM	#5
CHA_CHING 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2019 Location: Mobile, AL Posts: 1,159	Re: Minkah Fitzpatrick Originally Posted by The Dude If players had this same attitude in 06 we wouldn’t be where we are. Millennials suck and are *****s John Elway and Eli Manning say hi. I don't blame either of them for refusing to go to Indy or San Diego. They knew what they were doing staying away from teams with bad management. As I said in a previous post; players and coaches never want to tank. It's on management that intentionally does this. Not every player is going to be Larry Fitzgerald and stay loyal to a team that is ran into the ground from awful management.

09-14-2019, 02:20 PM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Minkah Fitzpatrick Back on subject, if Miami were to accept a third and a player, for example Vonn Bell on a sign and trade, then working Over The Cap's figures, we could take on Minkah's first round contract... Play Minkah how Bell's used, let Gardner push P.J. for the nickel, let Marcus play out his rookie deal at FS until, maybe Saquan could take over; extend Lattimore in another year - secondary would be pretty solid... All you'd need is an outside corner at Apple's spot should he find a better deal elsewhere, use your No. 1 pick there... Crusader, Rugby Saint II, K Major and 1 others like this.
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09-16-2019, 07:31 AM	#8
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Minkah Fitzpatrick Until we know the severity of Drew Brees's injury, this situation reinforces my belief that teams should never go all-in as you can lose your best player in one play that your championship hopes are tethered... That said, wasn't crazy about trading for Minkah, but after yesterday, Bell shouldn't be in our long-term plans... I'd package Bell with a third and offer it to Miami, especially since Dallas has pulled out of the sweepstakes and the market may be drying up... Cooper Kupp, who, full disclosure, I admittedly wanted more than Marcus Williams or Alvin Kamara, absolutely was the kill-shot for secondary... Minkah's skill set would have been a much better matchup there than Bell or P J Williams... Don't overreact, misinterpret - Not saying blow everything up after a terrible loss, but we've got tools in the tool box for a great secondary... Lattimore got caught trying to do much but will be fine. Gardner would be great complement with Minkah in SS/NB duties. Marcus improves, or Saquon gets an opportunity...
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09-16-2019, 07:35 AM	#9
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Minkah Fitzpatrick Originally Posted by jeanpierre That said, wasn't crazy about trading for Minkah, but after yesterday, Bell shouldn't be in our long-term plans. I'd package Bell with a third and offer it to Miami, especially since Dallas has pulled out of the sweepstakes... Like I stated in a previous posts, we likely lose Marcus Williams and/or Bell next year. That wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing. BTW Cooper Kupp had Lattimore on roller skates yesterday.

09-16-2019, 09:47 AM	#10
WillMacKenzie 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2007 Posts: 1,627	Re: Minkah Fitzpatrick You could play 4 or 5 safety sets and I’d venture to guess they still wouldn’t show up on the play