Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs

K Major · 11-21-2019, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by blackangold

Truth is, Davenport is doing well rushing the passer, and consider, the 2nd year is when players take a step back (usually) before exploding in their 3rd year (see Marcus Williams).

Precisely.

See Trey "T Rex" Hendrickson as well. 3rd year, he's been a beast coming off the edge.

dizzle88 · 11-22-2019, 10:30 AM

I'm curious to know what is logged as a pressure.

If Marcus crashes the pocket, loses contain but reaches for the QB and misses (like on Winston's 23 yard run) is that considered a pressure?

spkb25 · 11-22-2019, 11:09 AM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I'm curious to know what is logged as a pressure.

If Marcus crashes the pocket, loses contain but reaches for the QB and misses (like on Winston's 23 yard run) is that considered a pressure?

That's a good question. I too wonder how that's calculated. Anyone in the know respond please

AsylumGuido · 11-22-2019, 12:19 PM

According to SportingCharts.com:

A quarterback hurry (or pressure) is counted when a defender either forces a quarterback out of the pocket or pressures the throw. It doesn't necessarily mean that the defender actually forced the quarterback to make a bad throw. Hurries are often a good indicator of a team's pass rush. Just because a player is not getting sacks, it does not mean he is not a good pass rusher, because hurrying the quarterback into a poor decision can be just as effective.

AsylumGuido · 11-22-2019, 12:49 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

I'm curious to know what is logged as a pressure.

If Marcus crashes the pocket, loses contain but reaches for the QB and misses (like on Winston's 23 yard run) is that considered a pressure?

Originally Posted by spkb25

That's a good question. I too wonder how that's calculated. Anyone in the know respond please

Having re-watched the play several times I would say that according to the definition of a pressure Davenport would have been awarded a pressure given that he successfully forced Winston out of the pocket.

On the play Davenport shifted inside of Rankins, while Rankins shifted to an outside route to the QB on his right hand side. Davenport bull rushed his man all the way up the middle of the pocket into Winston's face. Winston stepped out to his left where Rankins was supposed to be in contain, but Rankins was being handled by the LT. Kiko Alonzo, also part of the rush, was back in the middle but was held by C Ryan Jenson on the play. Everyone else was back in coverage giving Winston a wide open gap for the run.

All in all, Davenport did his job, but Rankins got manhandled and Alonzo was held.

Rugby Saint II · 11-23-2019, 02:20 PM

This has been a very informative debate. I am wondering if his toe is still bothering him since he isn't fast off the line at the snap? Personally, I like him. He is quite an athlete and I enjoy watching him play. He never quits no matter how far away the football is and is always hustling no matter what the score.

spkb25 · 11-23-2019, 06:34 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

This has been a very informative debate. I am wondering if his toe is still bothering him since he isn't fast off the line at the snap? Personally, I like him. He is quite an athlete and I enjoy watching him play. He never quits no matter how far away the football is and is always hustling no matter what the score.

Would make sense. Something is different. Early on he was dominant.

K Major · 11-24-2019, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

This has been a very informative debate. I am wondering if his toe is still bothering him since he isn't fast off the line at the snap? Personally, I like him. He is quite an athlete and I enjoy watching him play. He never quits no matter how far away the football is and is always hustling no matter what the score.

That "toe" looks fine to me boss.

He made 2 crucial plays today. We don't win without his efforts.

Rell&Gold · 11-23-2019, 10:57 PM

Prior to Trey getting Hurt Him and Davenport were splitting snaps

Rell&Gold · 11-23-2019, 11:10 PM

Is Fine, as far as development goes being technical he's further along than Can was at this time so.

11-21-2019, 02:43 PM	#1
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Originally Posted by blackangold Truth is, Davenport is doing well rushing the passer, and consider, the 2nd year is when players take a step back (usually) before exploding in their 3rd year (see Marcus Williams). Precisely. See Trey "T Rex" Hendrickson as well. 3rd year, he's been a beast coming off the edge.

11-22-2019, 10:30 AM	#2
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,518	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs I'm curious to know what is logged as a pressure. If Marcus crashes the pocket, loses contain but reaches for the QB and misses (like on Winston's 23 yard run) is that considered a pressure?

11-22-2019, 11:09 AM	#3
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Originally Posted by dizzle88 I'm curious to know what is logged as a pressure. If Marcus crashes the pocket, loses contain but reaches for the QB and misses (like on Winston's 23 yard run) is that considered a pressure? That's a good question. I too wonder how that's calculated. Anyone in the know respond please

11-22-2019, 12:19 PM	#4
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs According to SportingCharts.com: A quarterback hurry (or pressure) is counted when a defender either forces a quarterback out of the pocket or pressures the throw. It doesn't necessarily mean that the defender actually forced the quarterback to make a bad throw. Hurries are often a good indicator of a team's pass rush. Just because a player is not getting sacks, it does not mean he is not a good pass rusher, because hurrying the quarterback into a poor decision can be just as effective. K Major likes this.

11-22-2019, 12:49 PM	#5
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,472	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Originally Posted by dizzle88 I'm curious to know what is logged as a pressure. If Marcus crashes the pocket, loses contain but reaches for the QB and misses (like on Winston's 23 yard run) is that considered a pressure? Originally Posted by spkb25 That's a good question. I too wonder how that's calculated. Anyone in the know respond please Having re-watched the play several times I would say that according to the definition of a pressure Davenport would have been awarded a pressure given that he successfully forced Winston out of the pocket. On the play Davenport shifted inside of Rankins, while Rankins shifted to an outside route to the QB on his right hand side. Davenport bull rushed his man all the way up the middle of the pocket into Winston's face. Winston stepped out to his left where Rankins was supposed to be in contain, but Rankins was being handled by the LT. Kiko Alonzo, also part of the rush, was back in the middle but was held by C Ryan Jenson on the play. Everyone else was back in coverage giving Winston a wide open gap for the run. All in all, Davenport did his job, but Rankins got manhandled and Alonzo was held.
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11-23-2019, 02:20 PM	#6
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,117	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs This has been a very informative debate. I am wondering if his toe is still bothering him since he isn't fast off the line at the snap? Personally, I like him. He is quite an athlete and I enjoy watching him play. He never quits no matter how far away the football is and is always hustling no matter what the score.

11-23-2019, 06:34 PM	#7
spkb25 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Baltimore, MD Posts: 13,115	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II This has been a very informative debate. I am wondering if his toe is still bothering him since he isn't fast off the line at the snap? Personally, I like him. He is quite an athlete and I enjoy watching him play. He never quits no matter how far away the football is and is always hustling no matter what the score. Would make sense. Something is different. Early on he was dominant.

11-24-2019, 08:40 PM	#8
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,738 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II This has been a very informative debate. I am wondering if his toe is still bothering him since he isn't fast off the line at the snap? Personally, I like him. He is quite an athlete and I enjoy watching him play. He never quits no matter how far away the football is and is always hustling no matter what the score. That "toe" looks fine to me boss. He made 2 crucial plays today. We don't win without his efforts.

11-23-2019, 10:57 PM	#9
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Prior to Trey getting Hurt Him and Davenport were splitting snaps

11-23-2019, 11:10 PM	#10
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Sean Payton explains Marcus Davenport's low snap count vs. Bucs Is Fine, as far as development goes being technical he's further along than Can was at this time so.