Louisiana issues statewide stay-at-home order to combat coronavirus spread

TheOak · 03-31-2020, 06:19 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

My mother and mother-in-law are both in their 80's. I just want everyone to be as smart and as safe as possible until most dangers subside. But, you are wrong about Social Security. It is not supported by taxes. It is supported by everything those of us have paid into it for most of our lives OUTSIDE of taxes. It is OUR money already allotted for return based entirely on what we paid into it.

Guido I’m being pragmatic not procedural, there are no certainties here and all the government has to do is borrow against SSI to deplete it.

However....

Let’s assume that during a global pandemic, 20% unemployment, a crippled economy and deprecated healthcare system someone says... No, Social Security is off limits. Once the government starts printing money and inflation out paces Covid-19 infection rates your whole social security check won’t buy a tic-tac.

And just like a Shamwow commercial ‘but wait, there is more’!

When the unemployment reaches unprecedented levels and SSI isn’t funded by workers the present generation drawing benefits will deplete it before I get to it even though I will have paid into it for 40 years... you don’t have to pay into SSI to get benefits.

burningmetal · 03-30-2020, 07:55 PM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Rugby, who said they do not want you to live? Allowing high-risk people to remain isolated while those that can and want to work do so is not wishing harm to anyone.

A shut down and restart of an economy has never been attempted. Its like a body and longer circulation is stopped, the more damage is done.

You are concerned with living and health.... When unemployment hits 20% that will be 60 Million people without healthcare. When the tax base dries up that will kill Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security... How will your healthcare be then?

I want you to live, and i want you to have healthcare in August lol.

BTW, my loving mother is 71 so please do not think my thoughts were formed in a vacuum.

While you and I are in complete agreement about this virus, and how it should actually be handled, I think you missed what "The Dude" really said. He didn't merely suggest that the at risk people should self-isolate. He's saying the world is over populated (which is nonsense) and that we should just let "nature" kill the "weak", so we'll no longer be over populated. Which, again, is total nonsense, and it's kind of sick.

It's a fact, that people die in the thousands from viruses every year, because of age or preexisting conditions. And if at risk people don't protect themselves properly, they have themselves to blame, unfortunately. Which is why this whole shutdown is idiotic. But the way The Dude said it, came across as saying the more weak people that die, the better. And there is just no place for that kind of talk.

TheOak · 03-31-2020, 06:58 AM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

While you and I are in complete agreement about this virus, and how it should actually be handled, I think you missed what "The Dude" really said. He didn't merely suggest that the at risk people should self-isolate. He's saying the world is over populated (which is nonsense) and that we should just let "nature" kill the "weak", so we'll no longer be over populated. Which, again, is total nonsense, and it's kind of sick.

It's a fact, that people die in the thousands from viruses every year, because of age or preexisting conditions. And if at risk people don't protect themselves properly, they have themselves to blame, unfortunately. Which is why this whole shutdown is idiotic. But the way The Dude said it, came across as saying the more weak people that die, the better. And there is just no place for that kind of talk.

I understand what he said, he throws out extremist views either because he has them or for shock value here to get a rise out of people... and it works... either way that wasn't the first place that I have heard it.

My reply to him was not by any means intended to be read as though I am in agreement with him. Which I am not...

Rugby Saint II · 03-31-2020, 02:31 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

While you and I are in complete agreement about this virus, and how it should actually be handled, I think you missed what "The Dude" really said. He didn't merely suggest that the at risk people should self-isolate. He's saying the world is over populated (which is nonsense) and that we should just let "nature" kill the "weak", so we'll no longer be over populated. Which, again, is total nonsense, and it's kind of sick.

It's a fact, that people die in the thousands from viruses every year, because of age or preexisting conditions. And if at risk people don't protect themselves properly, they have themselves to blame, unfortunately. Which is why this whole shutdown is idiotic. But the way The Dude said it, came across as saying the more weak people that die, the better. And there is just no place for that kind of talk.

burning metal, my friend, I like the way that you view life. There are other options besides killing off the elderly. In some cultures the people love and revere the elderly and ensure that they are taken care of. We need to remember that the elderly spawned the next generation. Maybe these folks agree that culling the herd is the answer would rather wait a couple of decades until they are up there in age. They might look at things differently.

And if this is about the money and cost of caring for the elderly then how about not giving out huge bonuses to Corporations CEO's? Or maybe we eliminate the tax write offs for corporations. Here is another thought. If such a large chunk of our money goes to defense spending then cut it back to a more manageable number. The corporations that get these contracts make billions and get tax write offs as well. We have the money to take care of every American. Now we just need to get the corporate loving lawmakers out of office.

Here's another thought. America first. We give away billions in aid every year while we have a homeless problem at home. Just sayin'. The money is there! Rant over!

saintfan · 03-30-2020, 01:27 PM

Lets all try to keep our sense of humor. Serious times. Everybody take a deep breath, keep your distance, wash your hands, and keep a sense of humor. *Language*

Bill Burr...We need a plague - YouTube

TheOak · 03-31-2020, 06:31 AM

Oh dear ****ing Lord, some of you need to learn to read, it’s an essential skill when one wishes to communicate at an adult level.

NO WHERE did I say anything about people dying or culling or that I wanted anyone to die or become infected with a virus. Not one fu3king place.

TheDude asked if he was the only one that thought something, I told him “no he wasn’t”... I’ve heard that from more than one person.

Because of that, I get veiled threats? These boards have gone to ****.

TheOak · 03-31-2020, 08:23 AM

Amidst all the panic and hyperbole

https://www.businessinsider.com/what...-in-his-legs-5

AsylumGuido · 03-31-2020, 08:31 AM

... and now for something completely different ...

The Dude · 03-31-2020, 04:41 PM

I stand by what I said but maybe using the word “culling” was in poor taste. I have a sick sense of humor.
I do wonder if letting this thing run its course would be better in the long run but it doesn’t mean I want people to die.

The decision has been made to do what is being done now and while I don’t agree with it I am adhering to it and doing everything I can to prevent the spread. I wear gloves, sanitize, social distance, and my wife and I stay away from our families.

One thing is for sure, life will never be the same.

Cruize · 03-31-2020, 07:13 PM

Our society needs to change. Our economy needs to change. Our health care system needs to change. All of the above does not include allowing/accepting/rationalizing thousands of deaths as the price of doing business.

03-31-2020, 06:19 AM	#1
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Louisiana issues statewide stay-at-home order to combat coronavirus spread Originally Posted by AsylumGuido My mother and mother-in-law are both in their 80's. I just want everyone to be as smart and as safe as possible until most dangers subside. But, you are wrong about Social Security. It is not supported by taxes. It is supported by everything those of us have paid into it for most of our lives OUTSIDE of taxes. It is OUR money already allotted for return based entirely on what we paid into it. Guido I’m being pragmatic not procedural, there are no certainties here and all the government has to do is borrow against SSI to deplete it. However.... Let’s assume that during a global pandemic, 20% unemployment, a crippled economy and deprecated healthcare system someone says... No, Social Security is off limits. Once the government starts printing money and inflation out paces Covid-19 infection rates your whole social security check won’t buy a tic-tac. And just like a Shamwow commercial ‘but wait, there is more’! When the unemployment reaches unprecedented levels and SSI isn’t funded by workers the present generation drawing benefits will deplete it before I get to it even though I will have paid into it for 40 years... you don’t have to pay into SSI to get benefits.
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03-30-2020, 07:55 PM	#2
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Louisiana issues statewide stay-at-home order to combat coronavirus spread Originally Posted by TheOak Rugby, who said they do not want you to live? Allowing high-risk people to remain isolated while those that can and want to work do so is not wishing harm to anyone. A shut down and restart of an economy has never been attempted. Its like a body and longer circulation is stopped, the more damage is done. You are concerned with living and health.... When unemployment hits 20% that will be 60 Million people without healthcare. When the tax base dries up that will kill Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security... How will your healthcare be then? I want you to live, and i want you to have healthcare in August lol. BTW, my loving mother is 71 so please do not think my thoughts were formed in a vacuum. While you and I are in complete agreement about this virus, and how it should actually be handled, I think you missed what "The Dude" really said. He didn't merely suggest that the at risk people should self-isolate. He's saying the world is over populated (which is nonsense) and that we should just let "nature" kill the "weak", so we'll no longer be over populated. Which, again, is total nonsense, and it's kind of sick. It's a fact, that people die in the thousands from viruses every year, because of age or preexisting conditions. And if at risk people don't protect themselves properly, they have themselves to blame, unfortunately. Which is why this whole shutdown is idiotic. But the way The Dude said it, came across as saying the more weak people that die, the better. And there is just no place for that kind of talk. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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03-31-2020, 06:58 AM	#3
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Louisiana issues statewide stay-at-home order to combat coronavirus spread Originally Posted by burningmetal While you and I are in complete agreement about this virus, and how it should actually be handled, I think you missed what "The Dude" really said. He didn't merely suggest that the at risk people should self-isolate. He's saying the world is over populated (which is nonsense) and that we should just let "nature" kill the "weak", so we'll no longer be over populated. Which, again, is total nonsense, and it's kind of sick. It's a fact, that people die in the thousands from viruses every year, because of age or preexisting conditions. And if at risk people don't protect themselves properly, they have themselves to blame, unfortunately. Which is why this whole shutdown is idiotic. But the way The Dude said it, came across as saying the more weak people that die, the better. And there is just no place for that kind of talk. I understand what he said, he throws out extremist views either because he has them or for shock value here to get a rise out of people... and it works... either way that wasn't the first place that I have heard it. My reply to him was not by any means intended to be read as though I am in agreement with him. Which I am not... Rugby Saint II likes this.

03-31-2020, 02:31 PM	#4
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,133	Re: Louisiana issues statewide stay-at-home order to combat coronavirus spread Originally Posted by burningmetal While you and I are in complete agreement about this virus, and how it should actually be handled, I think you missed what "The Dude" really said. He didn't merely suggest that the at risk people should self-isolate. He's saying the world is over populated (which is nonsense) and that we should just let "nature" kill the "weak", so we'll no longer be over populated. Which, again, is total nonsense, and it's kind of sick. It's a fact, that people die in the thousands from viruses every year, because of age or preexisting conditions. And if at risk people don't protect themselves properly, they have themselves to blame, unfortunately. Which is why this whole shutdown is idiotic. But the way The Dude said it, came across as saying the more weak people that die, the better. And there is just no place for that kind of talk. burning metal, my friend, I like the way that you view life. There are other options besides killing off the elderly. In some cultures the people love and revere the elderly and ensure that they are taken care of. We need to remember that the elderly spawned the next generation. Maybe these folks agree that culling the herd is the answer would rather wait a couple of decades until they are up there in age. They might look at things differently. And if this is about the money and cost of caring for the elderly then how about not giving out huge bonuses to Corporations CEO's? Or maybe we eliminate the tax write offs for corporations. Here is another thought. If such a large chunk of our money goes to defense spending then cut it back to a more manageable number. The corporations that get these contracts make billions and get tax write offs as well. We have the money to take care of every American. Now we just need to get the corporate loving lawmakers out of office. Here's another thought. America first. We give away billions in aid every year while we have a homeless problem at home. Just sayin'. The money is there! Rant over!
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03-31-2020, 06:31 AM	#6
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Louisiana issues statewide stay-at-home order to combat coronavirus spread Oh dear **ing Lord, some of you need to learn to read, it’s an essential skill when one wishes to communicate at an adult level. NO WHERE did I say anything about people dying or culling or that I wanted anyone to die or become infected with a virus. Not one fu3king place. TheDude asked if he was the only one that thought something, I told him “no he wasn’t”... I’ve heard that from more than one person. Because of that, I get veiled threats? These boards have gone to **. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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03-31-2020, 08:23 AM	#7
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,043	Re: Louisiana issues statewide stay-at-home order to combat coronavirus spread Amidst all the panic and hyperbole https://www.businessinsider.com/what...-in-his-legs-5

03-31-2020, 08:31 AM	#8
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,573	Re: Louisiana issues statewide stay-at-home order to combat coronavirus spread ... and now for something completely different ... Rugby Saint II likes this.

03-31-2020, 04:41 PM	#9
The Dude 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 9,055	Re: Louisiana issues statewide stay-at-home order to combat coronavirus spread I stand by what I said but maybe using the word “culling” was in poor taste. I have a sick sense of humor. I do wonder if letting this thing run its course would be better in the long run but it doesn’t mean I want people to die. The decision has been made to do what is being done now and while I don’t agree with it I am adhering to it and doing everything I can to prevent the spread. I wear gloves, sanitize, social distance, and my wife and I stay away from our families. One thing is for sure, life will never be the same.
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03-31-2020, 07:13 PM	#10
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,459	Re: Louisiana issues statewide stay-at-home order to combat coronavirus spread Our society needs to change. Our economy needs to change. Our health care system needs to change. All of the above does not include allowing/accepting/rationalizing thousands of deaths as the price of doing business. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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