Louisiana issues statewide stay-at-home order to combat coronavirus spread

burningmetal · 03-23-2020, 09:31 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

If only we could get our information from the CDC we would be better off. Instead this is being run by the VP. Personally, I didn't know he was a doctor and therefore he would be qualified. If he's not, then it's another attempt to mislead the public so the economy wouldn't crash. Too late for that and now there is so much disinformation no one knows the details and is truly prepared.

If you want information from the CDC, go to their website. Nobody is being misled by the administration. They are trying to keep people level headed in the midst of disinformation (fear mongering) in news outlets.

Mike Pence isn't playing doctor. He's heading a task force. His job is organization and oversight of all the economic logistics regarding supply and demand of urgent items, and things of that nature. And I'd imagine the President wants him to be his informant on the ground, so that he can know he's getting reliable information back. If you haven't noticed, many government officials have tried to undermine him during and before his presidency.

Economic impact is more important than many are willing to admit, by the way. If you over react and crash the economy, you send millions into financial hardship and poverty. Poverty leads to more sickness. More sickness leads to an even greater burden on the healthcare system, and more death.

jeanpierre · 03-23-2020, 10:18 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

If you want information from the CDC, go to their website. Nobody is being misled by the administration. They are trying to keep people level headed in the midst of disinformation (fear mongering) in news outlets.

Mike Pence isn't playing doctor. He's heading a task force. His job is organization and oversight of all the economic logistics regarding supply and demand of urgent items, and things of that nature. And I'd imagine the President wants him to be his informant on the ground, so that he can know he's getting reliable information back. If you haven't noticed, many government officials have tried to undermine him during and before his presidency.

Economic impact is more important than many are willing to admit, by the way. If you over react and crash the economy, you send millions into financial hardship and poverty. Poverty leads to more sickness. More sickness leads to an even greater burden on the healthcare system, and more death.

Just remember Boys & Girls, #CorporateMedia is a #ForProfit enterprise, so vet your information yourself, turn off the boob tube if it's triggering you or confusing you; go to the sites, do your own homework...

Rugby Saint II · 03-24-2020, 12:04 PM

Originally Posted by burningmetal

If you want information from the CDC, go to their website. Nobody is being misled by the administration. They are trying to keep people level headed in the midst of disinformation (fear mongering) in news outlets.

Mike Pence isn't playing doctor. He's heading a task force. His job is organization and oversight of all the economic logistics regarding supply and demand of urgent items, and things of that nature. And I'd imagine the President wants him to be his informant on the ground, so that he can know he's getting reliable information back. If you haven't noticed, many government officials have tried to undermine him during and before his presidency.

Economic impact is more important than many are willing to admit, by the way. If you over react and crash the economy, you send millions into financial hardship and poverty. Poverty leads to more sickness. More sickness leads to an even greater burden on the healthcare system, and more death.

I respect your opinion but anytime the CDC has to vet information with the white house then I feel like there is a cover up going on. The CDC can't provide any information that the government hasn't vetted. We are not getting the full story.

Remember, this President is worried about his economic status more than American lives. Right or wrong I'm not convinced that Mike Pence needs to give us the information(true or not) The government told 33 lies(or misleading info) about the virus in March alone. I know this isn't the political board but it seems relevant.

burningmetal · 03-24-2020, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I respect your opinion but anytime the CDC has to vet information with the white house then I feel like there is a cover up going on. The CDC can't provide any information that the government hasn't vetted. We are not getting the full story.

Remember, this President is worried about his economic status more than American lives. Right or wrong I'm not convinced that Mike Pence needs to give us the information(true or not) The government told 33 lies(or misleading info) about the virus in March alone. I know this isn't the political board but it seems relevant.

Rugby, I've always had respect for you and thought of you as a reasonable person. But for you to say that Trump only cares about his economy, and doesn't care about lives, is an outright lie. I'm not going to beat around the bush with you about it.

He banned travel from China before anyone in the liberal media started punching the panic button on this virus, and he was scolded by them as being a "racist". Now, it turns out that he saved a lot of lives by cutting off that travel route before any more spreading could have taken place. But you don't think he cares about lives? Really?

Let me ask you something else: How do you separate a strong economy from the improvements of American lives? Do you think poverty is the answer to curing human suffering? Do you want to have a job to go back to when this is over?

What are the "33 lies"? Can you name them? And can you show evidence supporting the claim that these are lies, or did you just hear that on CNN and then come to me with a quote directly from them? I'm just curious to know.

If you're curious as to why the CDC is being vetted by the White House, it isn't just them. All communications regarding this virus are being vetted. The White House has a team of medical professionals, and they are leading the response. It's important that the White House receives ACCURATE information. Here's why: https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/202...virus-testing/

Right there, is what has been the media's biggest lie throughout this process. That Trump was "slow to respond" and that "Trump misled the public about our preparedness". The CDC misled the President, and he got the blame. Do you suppose you'd trust an agency that screwed you over in such a way? Would you want to vet them? I bet you would, but instead you are implying it is a conspiracy.

The one issue I take with the article I just linked, is where it states that tests from overseas were rejected before the CDC bungled it's own test and it's misinformation to the President. In actuality, the tests from over seas were never offered. You can read about that here: https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...on-rejected-w/

How about some further background and context on the CDC? Sorry to give you so much to read. Feel free to take your time, but if you want information, it's necessary. https://www.redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2...eep-state-too/

This excerpt from that article is particularly disturbing:

"[D]uring the Ebola crisis, Democrats tried to shift responsibility from the Obama administration by blaming Republicans for cutting the CDC’s budget from $6.5 billion to $5.9 billion. Sound familiar? Where do those billions for the CDC actually go? Among other things, pushing gun control. The terrible budget deal from December allocated $25 million to the CDC and NIH to study gun violence."

Health organizations spending precious funds on gun violence "research"? The President faces unprecedented corruption and opposition in the government. He's right to vet his sources.

TheOak · 03-25-2020, 05:23 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

I respect your opinion but anytime the CDC has to vet information with the white house then I feel like there is a cover up going on. The CDC can't provide any information that the government hasn't vetted. We are not getting the full story.

Remember, this President is worried about his economic status more than American lives. Right or wrong I'm not convinced that Mike Pence needs to give us the information(true or not) The government told 33 lies(or misleading info) about the virus in March alone. I know this isn't the political board but it seems relevant.

Grab a beer, sit and chat with me. Health vs money is a false dichotomy created by a political system in a humanity where people are presented only two sides and forced to choose.

You aren't wrong, everything is vetted through a filter and contrary to popular belief the economy is more important than health. Again, I am not arguing with you, I am merely putting things into context.

Have a tequila.

I have worked with scientists my entire career and they should NEVER be allowed to speak to the public unfiltered. That is how you start a panic.

Yes, the Government filters everything, only a minority percentage of humans are capable of the critical thought required to put raw data into context... Critical thought is not a common prowess, just look at how football statistics are interpreted. The government should be delivering what you need to know, in a way that doesn't cause wholesale panic, markets to crash, looting to start..

The economy is more important than health because the two are not mutually exclusive and without a viable functioning economy, healthcare doesn't exist.

If we do not flip the switch and get this economy rolling PFDQ no one will be able to afford healthcare, not even the government because they rely on taxing transactions and income to provide in the absence of private health care. When that happens the government will print money and that will bring about massive inflation (see Venezuela).

Another tequila please... make it a double.

At the end of the day there is no right decision, only a righteous one. Do you risk the health of millions so that billions have a viable future or do you try and save millions knowing that once healthcare has no money they will all die anyway.

GDP is the lifeline of healthcare. Overall health and quality of life has never increased during a recession or depression, its the opposite that happens.

Ill have another tequila and the check please.

Peace....

jeanpierre · 03-25-2020, 08:01 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

...I have worked with scientists my entire career and they should NEVER be allowed to speak to the public unfiltered. That is how you start a panic....

This is why you have to put in the time and work to better inform yourselves...

Take Celestial Physics & Mechanics - even with current technology studying celestial bodies, we're basically fumbling in near-dark realizing we're barely missing collisions that could end all life on our planet...

Imagine how people and markets would react everytime the Daily Celestial Physics & Mechanics Report came out - We'll know in 36 hours if Eastern Europe will be obliterated...

These near misses happen so often, but being educated, at least informed, you'd have a healthy grasp and outlook and would conduct your daily life in a much healthier manner...

The catalogue of known viruses is tremendous; Covid-19 causing the current pandemic is a corona virus which are the cause for more than over a third of your garden variety colds...

It's just that this one has a more resilient 'spore' if you will than has a longer half-life than most, which is what is making it such a boogarou for us...

And in so far as information by the admin, no matter your politics, you have to understand that data is constantly coming in such a fluid manner, it's not surprising we have contradictions from previous briefings...

Now if the distresses, turn the TV off and just wait for the church bells ring, or, you can work not only on being better informed, but a healthier outlook on how this is happening...

Remember mercurochrome? Those of us who're old enough remember it know that it stop infections on cuts and scrapes in its tracks, now we're told it was toxic...

Eggs? Eggs led to arteriosclerosis causing heart disease; then some docs noticed healthy old people were still eatin' 'em; then we learned about differences in HDL & LDL hormones and eggs help prevent it...

So just breathe, understand even with a lots of data, it's still just a sliver of the total spectrum; no matter your politics, best elected leaders can do is reassure and keep Public Calm which is paramount to recovery...

03-23-2020, 09:31 PM	#1
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Louisiana issues statewide stay-at-home order to combat coronavirus spread Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II If only we could get our information from the CDC we would be better off. Instead this is being run by the VP. Personally, I didn't know he was a doctor and therefore he would be qualified. If he's not, then it's another attempt to mislead the public so the economy wouldn't crash. Too late for that and now there is so much disinformation no one knows the details and is truly prepared. If you want information from the CDC, go to their website. Nobody is being misled by the administration. They are trying to keep people level headed in the midst of disinformation (fear mongering) in news outlets. Mike Pence isn't playing doctor. He's heading a task force. His job is organization and oversight of all the economic logistics regarding supply and demand of urgent items, and things of that nature. And I'd imagine the President wants him to be his informant on the ground, so that he can know he's getting reliable information back. If you haven't noticed, many government officials have tried to undermine him during and before his presidency. Economic impact is more important than many are willing to admit, by the way. If you over react and crash the economy, you send millions into financial hardship and poverty. Poverty leads to more sickness. More sickness leads to an even greater burden on the healthcare system, and more death. Rugby Saint II likes this.
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03-23-2020, 10:18 PM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Louisiana issues statewide stay-at-home order to combat coronavirus spread Originally Posted by burningmetal If you want information from the CDC, go to their website. Nobody is being misled by the administration. They are trying to keep people level headed in the midst of disinformation (fear mongering) in news outlets. Mike Pence isn't playing doctor. He's heading a task force. His job is organization and oversight of all the economic logistics regarding supply and demand of urgent items, and things of that nature. And I'd imagine the President wants him to be his informant on the ground, so that he can know he's getting reliable information back. If you haven't noticed, many government officials have tried to undermine him during and before his presidency. Economic impact is more important than many are willing to admit, by the way. If you over react and crash the economy, you send millions into financial hardship and poverty. Poverty leads to more sickness. More sickness leads to an even greater burden on the healthcare system, and more death. Just remember Boys & Girls, #CorporateMedia is a #ForProfit enterprise, so vet your information yourself, turn off the boob tube if it's triggering you or confusing you; go to the sites, do your own homework... burningmetal likes this.

03-24-2020, 12:04 PM	#3
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,153	Re: Louisiana issues statewide stay-at-home order to combat coronavirus spread Originally Posted by burningmetal If you want information from the CDC, go to their website. Nobody is being misled by the administration. They are trying to keep people level headed in the midst of disinformation (fear mongering) in news outlets. Mike Pence isn't playing doctor. He's heading a task force. His job is organization and oversight of all the economic logistics regarding supply and demand of urgent items, and things of that nature. And I'd imagine the President wants him to be his informant on the ground, so that he can know he's getting reliable information back. If you haven't noticed, many government officials have tried to undermine him during and before his presidency. Economic impact is more important than many are willing to admit, by the way. If you over react and crash the economy, you send millions into financial hardship and poverty. Poverty leads to more sickness. More sickness leads to an even greater burden on the healthcare system, and more death. I respect your opinion but anytime the CDC has to vet information with the white house then I feel like there is a cover up going on. The CDC can't provide any information that the government hasn't vetted. We are not getting the full story. Remember, this President is worried about his economic status more than American lives. Right or wrong I'm not convinced that Mike Pence needs to give us the information(true or not) The government told 33 lies(or misleading info) about the virus in March alone. I know this isn't the political board but it seems relevant. nola_swammi and SmashMouth like this.
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03-24-2020, 07:06 PM	#4
burningmetal 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 3,923 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Louisiana issues statewide stay-at-home order to combat coronavirus spread Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I respect your opinion but anytime the CDC has to vet information with the white house then I feel like there is a cover up going on. The CDC can't provide any information that the government hasn't vetted. We are not getting the full story. Remember, this President is worried about his economic status more than American lives. Right or wrong I'm not convinced that Mike Pence needs to give us the information(true or not) The government told 33 lies(or misleading info) about the virus in March alone. I know this isn't the political board but it seems relevant. Rugby, I've always had respect for you and thought of you as a reasonable person. But for you to say that Trump only cares about his economy, and doesn't care about lives, is an outright lie. I'm not going to beat around the bush with you about it. He banned travel from China before anyone in the liberal media started punching the panic button on this virus, and he was scolded by them as being a "racist". Now, it turns out that he saved a lot of lives by cutting off that travel route before any more spreading could have taken place. But you don't think he cares about lives? Really? Let me ask you something else: How do you separate a strong economy from the improvements of American lives? Do you think poverty is the answer to curing human suffering? Do you want to have a job to go back to when this is over? What are the "33 lies"? Can you name them? And can you show evidence supporting the claim that these are lies, or did you just hear that on CNN and then come to me with a quote directly from them? I'm just curious to know. If you're curious as to why the CDC is being vetted by the White House, it isn't just them. All communications regarding this virus are being vetted. The White House has a team of medical professionals, and they are leading the response. It's important that the White House receives ACCURATE information. Here's why: https://www.redstate.com/bonchie/202...virus-testing/ Right there, is what has been the media's biggest lie throughout this process. That Trump was "slow to respond" and that "Trump misled the public about our preparedness". The CDC misled the President, and he got the blame. Do you suppose you'd trust an agency that screwed you over in such a way? Would you want to vet them? I bet you would, but instead you are implying it is a conspiracy. The one issue I take with the article I just linked, is where it states that tests from overseas were rejected before the CDC bungled it's own test and it's misinformation to the President. In actuality, the tests from over seas were never offered. You can read about that here: https://www.politifact.com/factcheck...on-rejected-w/ How about some further background and context on the CDC? Sorry to give you so much to read. Feel free to take your time, but if you want information, it's necessary. https://www.redstate.com/stu-in-sd/2...eep-state-too/ This excerpt from that article is particularly disturbing: "[D]uring the Ebola crisis, Democrats tried to shift responsibility from the Obama administration by blaming Republicans for cutting the CDC’s budget from $6.5 billion to $5.9 billion. Sound familiar? Where do those billions for the CDC actually go? Among other things, pushing gun control. The terrible budget deal from December allocated $25 million to the CDC and NIH to study gun violence." Health organizations spending precious funds on gun violence "research"? The President faces unprecedented corruption and opposition in the government. He's right to vet his sources. jnormand, Danno, jeanpierre and 3 others like this.
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03-25-2020, 05:23 AM	#5
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 19,047	Re: Louisiana issues statewide stay-at-home order to combat coronavirus spread Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II I respect your opinion but anytime the CDC has to vet information with the white house then I feel like there is a cover up going on. The CDC can't provide any information that the government hasn't vetted. We are not getting the full story. Remember, this President is worried about his economic status more than American lives. Right or wrong I'm not convinced that Mike Pence needs to give us the information(true or not) The government told 33 lies(or misleading info) about the virus in March alone. I know this isn't the political board but it seems relevant. Grab a beer, sit and chat with me. Health vs money is a false dichotomy created by a political system in a humanity where people are presented only two sides and forced to choose. You aren't wrong, everything is vetted through a filter and contrary to popular belief the economy is more important than health. Again, I am not arguing with you, I am merely putting things into context. Have a tequila. I have worked with scientists my entire career and they should NEVER be allowed to speak to the public unfiltered. That is how you start a panic. Yes, the Government filters everything, only a minority percentage of humans are capable of the critical thought required to put raw data into context... Critical thought is not a common prowess, just look at how football statistics are interpreted. The government should be delivering what you need to know, in a way that doesn't cause wholesale panic, markets to crash, looting to start.. The economy is more important than health because the two are not mutually exclusive and without a viable functioning economy, healthcare doesn't exist. If we do not flip the switch and get this economy rolling PFDQ no one will be able to afford healthcare, not even the government because they rely on taxing transactions and income to provide in the absence of private health care. When that happens the government will print money and that will bring about massive inflation (see Venezuela). Another tequila please... make it a double. At the end of the day there is no right decision, only a righteous one. Do you risk the health of millions so that billions have a viable future or do you try and save millions knowing that once healthcare has no money they will all die anyway. GDP is the lifeline of healthcare. Overall health and quality of life has never increased during a recession or depression, its the opposite that happens. Ill have another tequila and the check please. Peace.... saintfan, jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.
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03-25-2020, 08:01 AM	#6
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Louisiana issues statewide stay-at-home order to combat coronavirus spread Originally Posted by TheOak ...I have worked with scientists my entire career and they should NEVER be allowed to speak to the public unfiltered. That is how you start a panic.... This is why you have to put in the time and work to better inform yourselves... Take Celestial Physics & Mechanics - even with current technology studying celestial bodies, we're basically fumbling in near-dark realizing we're barely missing collisions that could end all life on our planet... Imagine how people and markets would react everytime the Daily Celestial Physics & Mechanics Report came out - We'll know in 36 hours if Eastern Europe will be obliterated... These near misses happen so often, but being educated, at least informed, you'd have a healthy grasp and outlook and would conduct your daily life in a much healthier manner... The catalogue of known viruses is tremendous; Covid-19 causing the current pandemic is a corona virus which are the cause for more than over a third of your garden variety colds... It's just that this one has a more resilient 'spore' if you will than has a longer half-life than most, which is what is making it such a boogarou for us... And in so far as information by the admin, no matter your politics, you have to understand that data is constantly coming in such a fluid manner, it's not surprising we have contradictions from previous briefings... Now if the distresses, turn the TV off and just wait for the church bells ring, or, you can work not only on being better informed, but a healthier outlook on how this is happening... Remember mercurochrome? Those of us who're old enough remember it know that it stop infections on cuts and scrapes in its tracks, now we're told it was toxic... Eggs? Eggs led to arteriosclerosis causing heart disease; then some docs noticed healthy old people were still eatin' 'em; then we learned about differences in HDL & LDL hormones and eggs help prevent it... So just breathe, understand even with a lots of data, it's still just a sliver of the total spectrum; no matter your politics, best elected leaders can do is reassure and keep Public Calm which is paramount to recovery... AsylumGuido likes this.
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