Alvin Kamara Saints Contract Discussion

09-12-2020, 12:03 PM

If I had a guess, I see Ramz getting serious money later and Lattimore getting the franchise tag.

A guess.

jeanpierre · 09-12-2020, 01:27 PM

Still surprised Kamara got more than McCaffrey, as McCaffrey has been more productive than Kamara with far less talent blocking for him, and AK having Brees...

ProFootball Reference | Christian McCaffrey vs Alvin Kamara - Career Stats To Date

jeanpierre · 09-12-2020, 01:38 PM

It is what it is, hoping he stays healthy with a heavier workload to warrant such a contract...

Am truly happy for him, his path, his documented hard work, he's proof what you have to do with talent is maximize it and stay focused...

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jeanpierre · 09-12-2020, 07:51 PM

Good, short, article, but it touches on a number of other statistics that support Kamara's value, but also offers concrete criticism when comparing production to McCaffrey...

saintfan · 09-12-2020, 08:07 PM

Alvin is worth every penny.

TheOak · 09-13-2020, 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Alvin is worth every penny.

Yep, I do not get the negativity in some of the replies. There is a ton of nuance missing in direct comparisons; in the McCaffrey vs. Kamara , Kamara beats McCaffery in statistics that aren't impacted by play choice and coaching style.. and does it with an injured 2019.

McCaffery didn't have to split time with Ingram or Murry because that's is the coaches style. There are different teams that use RBs in very different ways and as you can see below, with very different outcomes.
2017-2019
Panthers 23W - 25L (Play offs in 2017 beat by Saints)
Saints 37 W - 11L (Play offs every year with Kamara)

I can not see a way to state with reasonable certainty that if McCaffery were in a Saints jersey for the last 3 years he would have out performed Kamara. Kamara's numbers represent his value to the team and this offense which is clear in the advanced stats.

McCaffery didn't have to run behind Peat last year either.

jeanpierre · 09-13-2020, 10:00 AM

There's essentially three camps on Kamara's New Contract...

There are those who feel he's essential to the success of this team, that he carries a large load of the offense, and that he should be paid accordingly...

There are those who feel he's an oft-injured, supporting cast running back, and because of that RB role, the Saints shouldn't commit that much money and that other players should take priority needing extensions...

Then there's that large group somewhere in between...

For me, he's more than earned a generous payday through his documented dedication and hard work...

But I believe it's fair to question the wisdom of committing such a large portion of the salary cap to a player who's not shown in a full season he can carry the load as a feature back; he was best in a tandem role...

SmashMouth · 09-13-2020, 10:59 AM

Originally Posted by TheOak

Yep, I do not get the negativity in some of the replies. There is a ton of nuance missing in direct comparisons; in the McCaffrey vs. Kamara , Kamara beats McCaffery in statistics that aren't impacted by play choice and coaching style.. and does it with an injured 2019.

McCaffery didn't have to split time with Ingram or Murry because that's is the coaches style. There are different teams that use RBs in very different ways and as you can see below, with very different outcomes.
2017-2019
Panthers 23W - 25L (Play offs in 2017 beat by Saints)
Saints 37 W - 11L (Play offs every year with Kamara)

I can not see a way to state with reasonable certainty that if McCaffery were in a Saints jersey for the last 3 years he would have out performed Kamara. Kamara's numbers represent his value to the team and this offense which is clear in the advanced stats.

McCaffery didn't have to run behind Peat last year either.

So what are you implying about Popeyes Sammich Peat?

In all seriousness, glad for Kamara. But we're all hoping he returns to form.

BTW... is Kamara giving BnG 10% as a thank you?

AsylumGuido · 09-13-2020, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

So what are you implying about Popeyes Sammich Peat?

In all seriousness, glad for Kamara. But we're all hoping he returns to form.

BTW... is Kamara giving BnG 10% as a thank you?

There is no reason he shouldn't return to that form with the healthy knee and ankle.

TheOak · 09-13-2020, 04:04 PM

Originally Posted by SmashMouth

So what are you implying about Popeyes Sammich Peat?

In all seriousness, glad for Kamara. But we're all hoping he returns to form.

BTW... is Kamara giving BnG 10% as a thank you?

Sammich(s)

I hope ENERYONE returns to their prime form. Especially Sean Payton.

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09-12-2020, 01:27 PM	#72
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Alvin Kamara Saints Contract Discussion Still surprised Kamara got more than McCaffrey, as McCaffrey has been more productive than Kamara with far less talent blocking for him, and AK having Brees... ProFootball Reference \| Christian McCaffrey vs Alvin Kamara - Career Stats To Date

09-12-2020, 01:38 PM	#73
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Alvin Kamara Saints Contract Discussion It is what it is, hoping he stays healthy with a heavier workload to warrant such a contract... Am truly happy for him, his path, his documented hard work, he's proof what you have to do with talent is maximize it and stay focused... Twitter gosaints1 and K Major like this.

09-12-2020, 07:51 PM	#74
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Alvin Kamara Saints Contract Discussion Good, short, article, but it touches on a number of other statistics that support Kamara's value, but also offers concrete criticism when comparing production to McCaffrey... Twitter

09-12-2020, 08:07 PM	#75
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09-13-2020, 02:22 AM	#76
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Alvin Kamara Saints Contract Discussion Originally Posted by saintfan Alvin is worth every penny. Yep, I do not get the negativity in some of the replies. There is a ton of nuance missing in direct comparisons; in the McCaffrey vs. Kamara , Kamara beats McCaffery in statistics that aren't impacted by play choice and coaching style.. and does it with an injured 2019. McCaffery didn't have to split time with Ingram or Murry because that's is the coaches style. There are different teams that use RBs in very different ways and as you can see below, with very different outcomes. 2017-2019 Panthers 23W - 25L (Play offs in 2017 beat by Saints) Saints 37 W - 11L (Play offs every year with Kamara) I can not see a way to state with reasonable certainty that if McCaffery were in a Saints jersey for the last 3 years he would have out performed Kamara. Kamara's numbers represent his value to the team and this offense which is clear in the advanced stats. McCaffery didn't have to run behind Peat last year either.
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09-13-2020, 10:00 AM	#77
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Alvin Kamara Saints Contract Discussion There's essentially three camps on Kamara's New Contract... There are those who feel he's essential to the success of this team, that he carries a large load of the offense, and that he should be paid accordingly... There are those who feel he's an oft-injured, supporting cast running back, and because of that RB role, the Saints shouldn't commit that much money and that other players should take priority needing extensions... Then there's that large group somewhere in between... For me, he's more than earned a generous payday through his documented dedication and hard work... But I believe it's fair to question the wisdom of committing such a large portion of the salary cap to a player who's not shown in a full season he can carry the load as a feature back; he was best in a tandem role... iceshack149, SmashMouth and gosaints1 like this.
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09-13-2020, 10:59 AM	#78
SmashMouth I donated, did you? Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Mandeville, LA Posts: 37,011 Blog Entries: 29	Re: Alvin Kamara Saints Contract Discussion Originally Posted by TheOak Yep, I do not get the negativity in some of the replies. There is a ton of nuance missing in direct comparisons; in the McCaffrey vs. Kamara , Kamara beats McCaffery in statistics that aren't impacted by play choice and coaching style.. and does it with an injured 2019. McCaffery didn't have to split time with Ingram or Murry because that's is the coaches style. There are different teams that use RBs in very different ways and as you can see below, with very different outcomes. 2017-2019 Panthers 23W - 25L (Play offs in 2017 beat by Saints) Saints 37 W - 11L (Play offs every year with Kamara) I can not see a way to state with reasonable certainty that if McCaffery were in a Saints jersey for the last 3 years he would have out performed Kamara. Kamara's numbers represent his value to the team and this offense which is clear in the advanced stats. McCaffery didn't have to run behind Peat last year either. So what are you implying about Popeyes Sammich Peat? In all seriousness, glad for Kamara. But we're all hoping he returns to form. BTW... is Kamara giving BnG 10% as a thank you?
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09-13-2020, 11:20 AM	#79
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Alvin Kamara Saints Contract Discussion Originally Posted by SmashMouth So what are you implying about Popeyes Sammich Peat? In all seriousness, glad for Kamara. But we're all hoping he returns to form. BTW... is Kamara giving BnG 10% as a thank you? There is no reason he shouldn't return to that form with the healthy knee and ankle.

09-13-2020, 04:04 PM	#80
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Alvin Kamara Saints Contract Discussion Originally Posted by SmashMouth So what are you implying about Popeyes Sammich Peat? In all seriousness, glad for Kamara. But we're all hoping he returns to form. BTW... is Kamara giving BnG 10% as a thank you? Sammich(s) I hope ENERYONE returns to their prime form. Especially Sean Payton.