NFL.com | Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season

gosaints1 · 09-10-2020, 06:27 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Could that excuse be because of a bad bounce, or a bad call, or a bad play? Yup. That his fault.

Never said it was his, nor ANYONE’S fault individually..., but the record is what the record is. Every team out there has bad calls, bad plays, and bad bounces. That’s an excuse, not a reason.

AsylumGuido · 09-10-2020, 06:31 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Sure, while compiling a 2-3 playoff record. Which, imho, is the only record that matters.

How many snaps did he take under center? How many snaps did he take covering downfield? How many ....

I hope you get the idea. The NFL post season is based upon so much luck, or lack of, that is how Vegas always makes its money. The best team doesn't always win.

But, I will you you with every bit of my passion as a Saints fan since I was nine years old in 1967 that a 2-3 playoff record is great if that is what it is. I cannot see the waste of energy to think otherwise.

AsylumGuido · 09-10-2020, 06:35 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Never said it was his, nor ANYONE’S fault individually..., but the record is what the record is. Every team out there has bad calls, bad plays, and bad bounces. That’s an excuse, not a reason.

And every team doesn't win it all. What is your real reason why he should have won it all? What did he do wrong that he and no other could have done better to win it all?

Waiting ...

AsylumGuido · 09-10-2020, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Sure, while compiling a 2-3 playoff record. Which, imho, is the only record that matters.

What could he do better? Simple question that dizzle has only attempted to answer.

dizzle88 · 09-10-2020, 06:38 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

But how to do better? He's human. He has done the best job of any coach in Saints history to make us relevant. Give him credit for that. But, how much is truly on him. There are a dozen other coaches, 53 players, all those officials, and the damned shape of the ball that come into play.

What is it exactly he needs to do better? I have to give it to you, diz. You are the first one out of the many others that has even attempted to answer that question.

Much respect!

So for me its the following;

Play calling and general Game Management/ awareness in the playoffs is extremely suspect.

He abandons the run far too quickly, Murray wanted to hurt his old team and Payton kept him on the sideline whilst Brees got destroyed behind a crumbling O line.
The only reason we were relevant at all in the Vikings game was because of the elements that Taysom Hill brought and despite the defense being gassed, they somehow still managed to keep it close, even despite constant 3 and outs by the offense.

2018 Rams game - everyone and I mean everyone knew the Rams were going to run a fake punt, I barely watched them all year and even I heard they have a tendency to do it. That play gave the Rams full momentum, even despite the no call, we were not winning that game once they had us on the ropes.

I sincerely hope adding Sanders to our offense will stop defenses being able to key on Kamara and Thomas as they tend to in the playoffs, but until proven otherwise, this Payton led team seems to be asleep in the playoffs, wakes up late in the 4th quarter, only to lose dramatically.

My honest opinion - I think Pete C should be the primary play caller, giving Payton more time to view the game from the overall perspective.

Lord_Saint83 · 09-10-2020, 06:39 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Works good enough to win more games than anyone else over the past three years. Is that losing the edge?

When the playoffs start coaches and players shift gears, while it seems the saints don’t. We didn’t hold a rusher for over 100 yards all year and Cook still injured runs all over us. It’s like they slept on Minny the coaches and players but it’s the coaches job to keep them from underestimating an opponent and throw caution to the wind in the playoffs cause the next week isn’t given to you

gosaints1 · 09-10-2020, 06:46 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

And every team doesn't win it all. What is your real reason why he should have won it all? What did he do wrong that he and no other could have done better to win it all?

Waiting ...

What? lol, I don’t have to hyper-analyze everything everybody has done in each of the Saints seasons, successful or not, nor do I want to! The playoff record is what matters, it’s the only thing that matters, when it comes to equating success with a player or a HC. Don’t believe me? Ask Dan Marino. I’m VERY grateful for the 2009 season. I was there, Section 259, Row 4, Seat 9, my first year with season tickets! I was there for every game including the Championship game (didn’t make the SuperBowl ticket cut though, lol).

Bottom line, since then, all the talking heads discuss how great the QB is, how great the HC is, how loaded the team is..., and how many conference championships have the Saints won since then? Zero.

I don’t care about the reasons, I don’t care about what could have been done, I don’t evaluate the ppl, just the record/stats, aka the quantitative analysis.

AsylumGuido · 09-10-2020, 06:53 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

What? lol, I don’t have to hyper-analyze everything everybody has done in each of the Saints seasons, successful or not, nor do I want to! The playoff record is what matters, it’s the only thing that matters, when it comes to equating success with a player or a HC. Don’t believe me? Ask Dan Marino. I’m VERY grateful for the 2009 season. I was there, Section 259, Row 4, Seat 9, my first year with season tickets! I was there for every game including the Championship game (didn’t make the SuperBowl ticket cut though, lol).

Bottom line, since then, all the talking heads discuss how great the QB is, how great the HC is, how loaded the team is..., and how many conference championships have the Saints won since then? Zero.

I don’t care about the reasons, I don’t care about what could have been done, I don’t evaluate the ppl, just the record/stats, aka the quantitative analysis.

All very cool!

But, to repeat, what is your real reason why he should have won it all? What did he do wrong that he and no other could have done better to win it all?

Of course with all the emotion aside, if possible.

By the way, I spent my career dealing with quantitative analysis and five post-season games are not a viable sample for any cumulative analysis.

Try flipping a coin five times and you'll be quantitatively as accurate. Sorry, but it's the truth.

gosaints1 · 09-10-2020, 07:06 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

All very cool!

But, to repeat, what is your real reason why he should have won it all? What did he do wrong that he and no other could have done better to win it all?

Of course with all the emotion aside, if possible.

By the way, I spent my career dealing with quantitative analysis and five post-season games are not a viable sample for any cumulative analysis.

Try flipping a coin five times and you'll be quantitatively as accurate. Sorry, but it's the truth.

The record IS the record. It is not indicative of anything future related, I’m not trying to predict a future, at all. The future will play out as it is going to. Who cares about a coin-toss? That 2-3 record is just factual, it is unambiguous and indisputable (sans the blatant missed call), but the records don’t list an asterisk, now do they? I deliberately didn’t answer your question bc it’s a subjective answer, it’s unprovable, in any way shape or form. Therefore it’s a waste of time and effort to even engage in it.

The records are the records are the records..., and they don’t lie.

Audiotom · 09-10-2020, 11:07 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

We'll see. I know several people that felt the same way after the 2019 season. Only Brees will know for sure and I believe him when he says he won't know until AFTER the season is over and he's had a few weeks to evaluate those two questions.

Drew got a 5 game rest in 2019
worked hard to come back and was stellar in the back half of 2020

shame the guards caused him a playoff win

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: NFL.com \| Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season Originally Posted by gosaints1 Sure, while compiling a 2-3 playoff record. Which, imho, is the only record that matters. How many snaps did he take under center? How many snaps did he take covering downfield? How many .... I hope you get the idea. The NFL post season is based upon so much luck, or lack of, that is how Vegas always makes its money. The best team doesn't always win. But, I will you you with every bit of my passion as a Saints fan since I was nine years old in 1967 that a 2-3 playoff record is great if that is what it is. I cannot see the waste of energy to think otherwise.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: NFL.com \| Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season Originally Posted by gosaints1 Never said it was his, nor ANYONE’S fault individually..., but the record is what the record is. Every team out there has bad calls, bad plays, and bad bounces. That’s an excuse, not a reason. And every team doesn't win it all. What is your real reason why he should have won it all? What did he do wrong that he and no other could have done better to win it all? Waiting ...

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: NFL.com \| Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season Originally Posted by gosaints1 Sure, while compiling a 2-3 playoff record. Which, imho, is the only record that matters. What could he do better? Simple question that dizzle has only attempted to answer.

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dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: NFL.com \| Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season Originally Posted by AsylumGuido But how to do better? He's human. He has done the best job of any coach in Saints history to make us relevant. Give him credit for that. But, how much is truly on him. There are a dozen other coaches, 53 players, all those officials, and the damned shape of the ball that come into play. What is it exactly he needs to do better? I have to give it to you, diz. You are the first one out of the many others that has even attempted to answer that question. Much respect! So for me its the following; Play calling and general Game Management/ awareness in the playoffs is extremely suspect. He abandons the run far too quickly, Murray wanted to hurt his old team and Payton kept him on the sideline whilst Brees got destroyed behind a crumbling O line. The only reason we were relevant at all in the Vikings game was because of the elements that Taysom Hill brought and despite the defense being gassed, they somehow still managed to keep it close, even despite constant 3 and outs by the offense. 2018 Rams game - everyone and I mean everyone knew the Rams were going to run a fake punt, I barely watched them all year and even I heard they have a tendency to do it. That play gave the Rams full momentum, even despite the no call, we were not winning that game once they had us on the ropes. I sincerely hope adding Sanders to our offense will stop defenses being able to key on Kamara and Thomas as they tend to in the playoffs, but until proven otherwise, this Payton led team seems to be asleep in the playoffs, wakes up late in the 4th quarter, only to lose dramatically. My honest opinion - I think Pete C should be the primary play caller, giving Payton more time to view the game from the overall perspective. gosaints1 and Lord_Saint83 like this.
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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: NFL.com \| Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season Originally Posted by AsylumGuido And every team doesn't win it all. What is your real reason why he should have won it all? What did he do wrong that he and no other could have done better to win it all? Waiting ... What? lol, I don’t have to hyper-analyze everything everybody has done in each of the Saints seasons, successful or not, nor do I want to! The playoff record is what matters, it’s the only thing that matters, when it comes to equating success with a player or a HC. Don’t believe me? Ask Dan Marino. I’m VERY grateful for the 2009 season. I was there, Section 259, Row 4, Seat 9, my first year with season tickets! I was there for every game including the Championship game (didn’t make the SuperBowl ticket cut though, lol). Bottom line, since then, all the talking heads discuss how great the QB is, how great the HC is, how loaded the team is..., and how many conference championships have the Saints won since then? Zero. I don’t care about the reasons, I don’t care about what could have been done, I don’t evaluate the ppl, just the record/stats, aka the quantitative analysis.
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: NFL.com \| Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season Originally Posted by gosaints1 What? lol, I don’t have to hyper-analyze everything everybody has done in each of the Saints seasons, successful or not, nor do I want to! The playoff record is what matters, it’s the only thing that matters, when it comes to equating success with a player or a HC. Don’t believe me? Ask Dan Marino. I’m VERY grateful for the 2009 season. I was there, Section 259, Row 4, Seat 9, my first year with season tickets! I was there for every game including the Championship game (didn’t make the SuperBowl ticket cut though, lol). Bottom line, since then, all the talking heads discuss how great the QB is, how great the HC is, how loaded the team is..., and how many conference championships have the Saints won since then? Zero. I don’t care about the reasons, I don’t care about what could have been done, I don’t evaluate the ppl, just the record/stats, aka the quantitative analysis. All very cool! But, to repeat, what is your real reason why he should have won it all? What did he do wrong that he and no other could have done better to win it all? Of course with all the emotion aside, if possible. By the way, I spent my career dealing with quantitative analysis and five post-season games are not a viable sample for any cumulative analysis. Try flipping a coin five times and you'll be quantitatively as accurate. Sorry, but it's the truth.

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gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: NFL.com \| Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season Originally Posted by AsylumGuido All very cool! But, to repeat, what is your real reason why he should have won it all? What did he do wrong that he and no other could have done better to win it all? Of course with all the emotion aside, if possible. By the way, I spent my career dealing with quantitative analysis and five post-season games are not a viable sample for any cumulative analysis. Try flipping a coin five times and you'll be quantitatively as accurate. Sorry, but it's the truth. The record IS the record. It is not indicative of anything future related, I’m not trying to predict a future, at all. The future will play out as it is going to. Who cares about a coin-toss? That 2-3 record is just factual, it is unambiguous and indisputable (sans the blatant missed call), but the records don’t list an asterisk, now do they? I deliberately didn’t answer your question bc it’s a subjective answer, it’s unprovable, in any way shape or form. Therefore it’s a waste of time and effort to even engage in it. The records are the records are the records..., and they don’t lie.
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Audiotom 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2013 Posts: 1,094 Blog Entries: 1	Re: NFL.com \| Drew Brees: 'I'm on borrowed time' as Saints enter Super Bowl or bust season Originally Posted by AsylumGuido We'll see. I know several people that felt the same way after the 2019 season. Only Brees will know for sure and I believe him when he says he won't know until AFTER the season is over and he's had a few weeks to evaluate those two questions. Drew got a 5 game rest in 2019 worked hard to come back and was stellar in the back half of 2020 shame the guards caused him a playoff win