Taysom Hill - The Pocket Passer?

dizzle88 · 12-14-2020, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

I don't see any pocket presence or awareness.

But for me, I see Taysom as a guy who doesn't take care of the football & would rather take a sack than throw it away.

But in fairness, the O line protection was bad on yesterday.

Armstead and Peat were getting driven into Taysoms lap nearly every play.

This loss looked so similar to the Vikings playoff loss last year.

They controlled the LOS on both sides of the ball and just bullied us off the ball every snap.

Rugby Saint II · 12-14-2020, 02:14 PM

Payton wants to make him into a pocket passer. Don't force it on him though. Taysom is afraid to use his best weapon...his legs to take off and run.

leilung · 12-14-2020, 09:19 PM

I saw several things that bothered me with Taysom last night:
1) Happy Feet
2) Staring downfield looking for the wide open receiver instead of seeing the passing lanes and trusting his receivers to get there.
3) Trying to stay in the pocket and pass instead of taking the running lanes when they present themselves.

Not sure whether the change in his playing style is SP's doing or if the prognosticators have gotten into his head, but this game he was NOT playing to his stengths. Basically, what we saw Jalen Hurts do all night!

Cruize · 12-15-2020, 04:32 AM

It was his fourth start at QB. The interception was bad. Forced under pressure. Run. Throw it away. If the spy can tackle him, it will be close to the line of scrimmage. Much better than the five to eight yards lost on a sack. As someone who's supported him from the beginning, I truly believe he's exceeded even my expectations. He has two problems. He's having to follow one of the greatest of all time at his position, under the watchful eyes of a very spoiled fan base. And, it's on a team that has legit Super Bowl potential. About as pressure packed as it gets in sports.

leilung · 12-15-2020, 11:22 AM

Originally Posted by Cruize

It was his fourth start at QB. The interception was bad. Forced under pressure. Run. Throw it away. If the spy can tackle him, it will be close to the line of scrimmage. Much better than the five to eight yards lost on a sack. As someone who's supported him from the beginning, I truly believe he's exceeded even my expectations. He has two problems. He's having to follow one of the greatest of all time at his position, under the watchful eyes of a very spoiled fan base. And, it's on a team that has legit Super Bowl potential. About as pressure packed as it gets in sports.

Don't get me wrong, I really like Taysom and time will tell if he is the Heir Apparent. But his skills are raw and need time to refine. We're in a playoff run which is not the ideal spot to 'work out the kinks'. Although we're not privy to the workings of the coaching staff, I'm curious as to why they didn't bring in Winston, even for a change of pace, at all during the Eagles game.

K Major · 12-15-2020, 11:27 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

Don't get me wrong, I really like Taysom and time will tell if he is the Heir Apparent. But his skills are raw and need time to refine. We're in a playoff run which is not the ideal spot to 'work out the kinks'. Although we're not privy to the workings of the coaching staff, I'm curious as to why they didn't bring in Winston, even for a change of pace, at all during the Eagles game.

Listen at this podcast when you have some time. Sean gives some interesting tidbits on the future at QB for New Orleans … Taysom, Winston etc.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000502445741

NOLA54 · 12-15-2020, 11:44 AM

Whatever he is he is not the answer.

WhoDat!656 · 12-15-2020, 11:51 AM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

Payton wants to make him into a pocket passer. Don't force it on him though. Taysom is afraid to use his best weapon...his legs to take off and run.

There was another QB the Saints had that the coaches thought turning him into a pocket passer was a good idea; hmmmm, what was his name?

AsylumGuido · 12-15-2020, 11:55 AM

Originally Posted by WhoDat!656

There was another QB the Saints had that the coaches thought turning him into a pocket passer was a good idea; hmmmm, what was his name?

The guy whose fumble record Taysom is trying to break.

WhoDat!656 · 12-15-2020, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

The guy whose fumble record Taysom is trying to break.

Did he fumble more in the pocket or out?

12-14-2020, 11:27 AM	#11
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Taysom Hill - The Pocket Passer? Originally Posted by K Major I don't see any pocket presence or awareness. But for me, I see Taysom as a guy who doesn't take care of the football & would rather take a sack than throw it away. But in fairness, the O line protection was bad on yesterday. Armstead and Peat were getting driven into Taysoms lap nearly every play. This loss looked so similar to the Vikings playoff loss last year. They controlled the LOS on both sides of the ball and just bullied us off the ball every snap. SmashMouth, gosaints1, RefsRobbedUs and 1 others like this.

12-14-2020, 02:14 PM	#12
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 23,727	Re: Taysom Hill - The Pocket Passer? Payton wants to make him into a pocket passer. Don't force it on him though. Taysom is afraid to use his best weapon...his legs to take off and run. Rsanders24, leilung and Boston Saint like this.

12-14-2020, 09:19 PM	#13
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,150	Re: Taysom Hill - The Pocket Passer? I saw several things that bothered me with Taysom last night: 1) Happy Feet 2) Staring downfield looking for the wide open receiver instead of seeing the passing lanes and trusting his receivers to get there. 3) Trying to stay in the pocket and pass instead of taking the running lanes when they present themselves. Not sure whether the change in his playing style is SP's doing or if the prognosticators have gotten into his head, but this game he was NOT playing to his stengths. Basically, what we saw Jalen Hurts do all night!

12-15-2020, 04:32 AM	#14
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,294	Re: Taysom Hill - The Pocket Passer? It was his fourth start at QB. The interception was bad. Forced under pressure. Run. Throw it away. If the spy can tackle him, it will be close to the line of scrimmage. Much better than the five to eight yards lost on a sack. As someone who's supported him from the beginning, I truly believe he's exceeded even my expectations. He has two problems. He's having to follow one of the greatest of all time at his position, under the watchful eyes of a very spoiled fan base. And, it's on a team that has legit Super Bowl potential. About as pressure packed as it gets in sports. RefsRobbedUs likes this.
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12-15-2020, 11:22 AM	#15
leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,150	Re: Taysom Hill - The Pocket Passer? Originally Posted by Cruize It was his fourth start at QB. The interception was bad. Forced under pressure. Run. Throw it away. If the spy can tackle him, it will be close to the line of scrimmage. Much better than the five to eight yards lost on a sack. As someone who's supported him from the beginning, I truly believe he's exceeded even my expectations. He has two problems. He's having to follow one of the greatest of all time at his position, under the watchful eyes of a very spoiled fan base. And, it's on a team that has legit Super Bowl potential. About as pressure packed as it gets in sports. Don't get me wrong, I really like Taysom and time will tell if he is the Heir Apparent. But his skills are raw and need time to refine. We're in a playoff run which is not the ideal spot to 'work out the kinks'. Although we're not privy to the workings of the coaching staff, I'm curious as to why they didn't bring in Winston, even for a change of pace, at all during the Eagles game.

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12-15-2020, 11:27 AM	#16
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,035 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Taysom Hill - The Pocket Passer? Originally Posted by leilung Don't get me wrong, I really like Taysom and time will tell if he is the Heir Apparent. But his skills are raw and need time to refine. We're in a playoff run which is not the ideal spot to 'work out the kinks'. Although we're not privy to the workings of the coaching staff, I'm curious as to why they didn't bring in Winston, even for a change of pace, at all during the Eagles game. Listen at this podcast when you have some time. Sean gives some interesting tidbits on the future at QB for New Orleans … Taysom, Winston etc. https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcas...=1000502445741

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12-15-2020, 11:51 AM	#18
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,001	Re: Taysom Hill - The Pocket Passer? Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II Payton wants to make him into a pocket passer. Don't force it on him though. Taysom is afraid to use his best weapon...his legs to take off and run. There was another QB the Saints had that the coaches thought turning him into a pocket passer was a good idea; hmmmm, what was his name?

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Taysom Hill - The Pocket Passer? Originally Posted by WhoDat!656 There was another QB the Saints had that the coaches thought turning him into a pocket passer was a good idea; hmmmm, what was his name? The guy whose fumble record Taysom is trying to break.

12-15-2020, 12:13 PM	#20
WhoDat!656 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Shreveport,Louisiana Posts: 16,001	Re: Taysom Hill - The Pocket Passer? Originally Posted by AsylumGuido The guy whose fumble record Taysom is trying to break. Did he fumble more in the pocket or out?