Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss

dizzle88 · 12-21-2020, 12:11 PM

To me, Davenport is just a waste of draft picks.

In a game where you desperately need the players you spent a hefty amount on to step up, he just withered.

Hendrickson and Granderson were hitting or sacking Mahomes any chance they got. Whereas Jordan and Davenport were invisible whenever they were on the field. Once again, Jordan couldn't beat a 3rd string Tackle and got himself ejected.

Mahomes broke Davenports ankles repeatedly

iceshack149 · 12-21-2020, 12:33 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

To me, Davenport is just a waste of draft picks.

In a game where you desperately need the players you spent a hefty amount on to step up, he just withered.

Hendrickson and Granderson were hitting or sacking Mahomes any chance they got. Whereas Jordan and Davenport were invisible whenever they were on the field. Once again, Jordan couldn't beat a 3rd string Tackle and got himself ejected.

Mahomes broke Davenports ankles repeatedly

I think Jordan is still great. Every time I saw a replay he was being obviously held and got zero calls from the refs on it. That's why he lost his cool and swung. He was wrong for throwing hands but I get it.

K Major · 12-21-2020, 02:07 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

To me, Davenport is just a waste of draft picks.

Mahomes broke Davenports ankles repeatedly

Patrick does this to ELITE DE's every week though.

I thought Davenport had #15 under serious duress most of the game. Nothing appeared easy but he's the best QB in the NFL.

dizzle88 · 12-21-2020, 02:13 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Patrick does this to ELITE DE's every week though.

I thought Davenport had #15 under serious duress most of the game. Nothing appeared easy but he's the best QB in the NFL.

When UDFA Carl Granderson and 3rd round pick Hendrickson creates more pressure than a guy that two first round picks were spent on, consider me concerned.

K Major · 12-21-2020, 02:28 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

When UDFA Carl Granderson and 3rd round pick Hendrickson creates more pressure than a guy that two first round picks were spent on, consider me concerned.

It is what it is. Trey got swallowed up vs Philly just last week and is bad in run support. Granderson is a good rotational piece. Not an every down DE/pass rusher.

Check out the piece Underhill did on Davenport last month. This guy creates problems and destruction as well as setting the edge.

Saints can build a competitive defense around Marcus. I'm just not as down on him as others.

Rsanders24 · 12-21-2020, 04:37 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

It is what it is. Trey got swallowed up vs Philly just last week and is bad in run support. Granderson is a good rotational piece. Not an every down DE/pass rusher.

Check out the piece Underhill did on Davenport last month. This guy creates problems and destruction as well as setting the edge.

Saints can build a competitive defense around Marcus. I'm just not as down on him as others.

Davenport had a lot of pressures, where he collapsed the pocket. As you mentioned, he can set the edge better to support the run than Trey.

He is very similar to Jordan...not a speed edge rusher but he can be an every down end. He gets a lot of flack on this site because he isn’t flashy but he makes plays and pressures that help others to get sacks.

I don’t care who gets them since in a lot of cases it takes a team effort.

jeanpierre · 12-21-2020, 01:21 PM

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WW_Who_Dat · 12-21-2020, 01:31 PM

Understand how you feel about the offensive play calling ... My take means as much as yours ... if we had the Oline to run consistently we would. We can’t gain separation with 1 wide receiver and play fake with full backfield and Brees not able to stay in the pocket for 3.0 seconds. When we spread the field we force the defense to commit to either man to man or zone and that when Brees was successful.

Cooks, not sure what the issue is but if he doesn’t turn the page soon he will be replaced by Johnston. That little ditty with Brees 4th qtr Brees called out the hot read at the line and Cooks blew it. Happens but but his interaction with Brees ... that a problem.

Bottom line coaches coaches and we Monday morning Quarterback.

AsylumGuido · 12-21-2020, 04:29 PM

Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat

Understand how you feel about the offensive play calling ... My take means as much as yours ... if we had the Oline to run consistently we would. We can’t gain separation with 1 wide receiver and play fake with full backfield and Brees not able to stay in the pocket for 3.0 seconds. When we spread the field we force the defense to commit to either man to man or zone and that when Brees was successful.

Cooks, not sure what the issue is but if he doesn’t turn the page soon he will be replaced by Johnston. That little ditty with Brees 4th qtr Brees called out the hot read at the line and Cooks blew it. Happens but but his interaction with Brees ... that a problem.

Bottom line coaches coaches and we Monday morning Quarterback.

That wasn't the only blown hot read. On at least two other (and possibly three plays) the receiver should have cut the route and moved back toward the line. In each case it was one of the young inserts. Brees throws to a point short anticipating that the receiver is going to make the correct read. Each time the ball hit two yards short of the out of position player. Thomas makes that read and is right there to make the play ten times out of ten.

And the drops by both Taysom and Kamara were ugly. They each had more than one. I guess you can blame it on Hill not having a pass thrown his way in over four weeks. Somewhat the same with Kamara. He was averaging almost nine targets per game coming into the first Atlanta game. He saw a total of six targets over the next three games. He had six yesterday and only caught three of them. He still managed 40 yards. No telling what he would have had if he held onto the throws.

By the way, just checked, Taysom was targeted twice and dropped them both.

K Major · 12-21-2020, 01:34 PM

Not having Mike Thomas was huge.

12-21-2020, 12:33 PM	#2
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,407 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss Originally Posted by dizzle88 To me, Davenport is just a waste of draft picks. In a game where you desperately need the players you spent a hefty amount on to step up, he just withered. Hendrickson and Granderson were hitting or sacking Mahomes any chance they got. Whereas Jordan and Davenport were invisible whenever they were on the field. Once again, Jordan couldn't beat a 3rd string Tackle and got himself ejected. Mahomes broke Davenports ankles repeatedly I think Jordan is still great. Every time I saw a replay he was being obviously held and got zero calls from the refs on it. That's why he lost his cool and swung. He was wrong for throwing hands but I get it.

12-21-2020, 02:07 PM	#3
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss Originally Posted by dizzle88 To me, Davenport is just a waste of draft picks. Mahomes broke Davenports ankles repeatedly Patrick does this to ELITE DE's every week though. I thought Davenport had #15 under serious duress most of the game. Nothing appeared easy but he's the best QB in the NFL. Rsanders24 likes this.

12-21-2020, 02:13 PM	#4
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss Originally Posted by K Major Patrick does this to ELITE DE's every week though. I thought Davenport had #15 under serious duress most of the game. Nothing appeared easy but he's the best QB in the NFL. When UDFA Carl Granderson and 3rd round pick Hendrickson creates more pressure than a guy that two first round picks were spent on, consider me concerned. jeanpierre and bobdog86 like this.

12-21-2020, 02:28 PM	#5
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss Originally Posted by dizzle88 When UDFA Carl Granderson and 3rd round pick Hendrickson creates more pressure than a guy that two first round picks were spent on, consider me concerned. It is what it is. Trey got swallowed up vs Philly just last week and is bad in run support. Granderson is a good rotational piece. Not an every down DE/pass rusher. Check out the piece Underhill did on Davenport last month. This guy creates problems and destruction as well as setting the edge. Saints can build a competitive defense around Marcus. I'm just not as down on him as others. Rsanders24, Rugby Saint II and Lord_Saint83 like this.

12-21-2020, 04:37 PM	#6
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,493	Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss Originally Posted by K Major It is what it is. Trey got swallowed up vs Philly just last week and is bad in run support. Granderson is a good rotational piece. Not an every down DE/pass rusher. Check out the piece Underhill did on Davenport last month. This guy creates problems and destruction as well as setting the edge. Saints can build a competitive defense around Marcus. I'm just not as down on him as others. Davenport had a lot of pressures, where he collapsed the pocket. As you mentioned, he can set the edge better to support the run than Trey. He is very similar to Jordan...not a speed edge rusher but he can be an every down end. He gets a lot of flack on this site because he isn’t flashy but he makes plays and pressures that help others to get sacks. I don’t care who gets them since in a lot of cases it takes a team effort. AsylumGuido, K Major and Lord_Saint83 like this.

12-21-2020, 12:11 PM	#1
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 11,534	Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss To me, Davenport is just a waste of draft picks. In a game where you desperately need the players you spent a hefty amount on to step up, he just withered. Hendrickson and Granderson were hitting or sacking Mahomes any chance they got. Whereas Jordan and Davenport were invisible whenever they were on the field. Once again, Jordan couldn't beat a 3rd string Tackle and got himself ejected. Mahomes broke Davenports ankles repeatedly jeanpierre likes this.

12-21-2020, 01:21 PM	#7
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12-21-2020, 01:31 PM	#8
WW_Who_Dat 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: Lafayette, La and Valencia CA Posts: 1,279 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss Understand how you feel about the offensive play calling ... My take means as much as yours ... if we had the Oline to run consistently we would. We can’t gain separation with 1 wide receiver and play fake with full backfield and Brees not able to stay in the pocket for 3.0 seconds. When we spread the field we force the defense to commit to either man to man or zone and that when Brees was successful. Cooks, not sure what the issue is but if he doesn’t turn the page soon he will be replaced by Johnston. That little ditty with Brees 4th qtr Brees called out the hot read at the line and Cooks blew it. Happens but but his interaction with Brees ... that a problem. Bottom line coaches coaches and we Monday morning Quarterback.

12-21-2020, 04:29 PM	#9
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,622	Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss Originally Posted by WW_Who_Dat Understand how you feel about the offensive play calling ... My take means as much as yours ... if we had the Oline to run consistently we would. We can’t gain separation with 1 wide receiver and play fake with full backfield and Brees not able to stay in the pocket for 3.0 seconds. When we spread the field we force the defense to commit to either man to man or zone and that when Brees was successful. Cooks, not sure what the issue is but if he doesn’t turn the page soon he will be replaced by Johnston. That little ditty with Brees 4th qtr Brees called out the hot read at the line and Cooks blew it. Happens but but his interaction with Brees ... that a problem. Bottom line coaches coaches and we Monday morning Quarterback. That wasn't the only blown hot read. On at least two other (and possibly three plays) the receiver should have cut the route and moved back toward the line. In each case it was one of the young inserts. Brees throws to a point short anticipating that the receiver is going to make the correct read. Each time the ball hit two yards short of the out of position player. Thomas makes that read and is right there to make the play ten times out of ten. And the drops by both Taysom and Kamara were ugly. They each had more than one. I guess you can blame it on Hill not having a pass thrown his way in over four weeks. Somewhat the same with Kamara. He was averaging almost nine targets per game coming into the first Atlanta game. He saw a total of six targets over the next three games. He had six yesterday and only caught three of them. He still managed 40 yards. No telling what he would have had if he held onto the throws. By the way, just checked, Taysom was targeted twice and dropped them both.
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12-21-2020, 01:34 PM	#10
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,831 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Saints again start slow, sloppy with comeback falling short; here's what happened in Chiefs loss Not having Mike Thomas was huge. WW_Who_Dat likes this.