Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles

Cruize · 12-26-2020, 03:59 AM

Good player. 100 percent effort all the time. Big loss for the defense.

saintsfan1976 · 12-26-2020, 06:41 AM

Well we certainly didn’t get better with anzalone! I’d rather have PJ play that role than Alex.

ChrisXVI · 12-26-2020, 09:09 AM

We just aren’t meant to have great LB’s. That’s why Demario Davis has been such a blessing.

jeanpierre · 12-30-2020, 02:22 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

We just aren’t meant to have great LB’s. That’s why Demario Davis has been such a blessing.

Well, we once had the greatest LB corps of all time; maybe this is just yen yang law, natural balance?

Saint in Aus · 12-26-2020, 09:10 AM

Gutting

Rugby Saint II · 12-26-2020, 01:40 PM

The defense gelled when Kwon got here. He allowed Davis to do his job without hesitation instead of playing slower to cover for Thor who is pure s***! Man, I feel bad for Kwon but now I'm worried about teams exploiting our LB'ers.

blackangold · 12-26-2020, 03:03 PM

People are over estimating Kwon...

PFF grades:
Kwon: 54
Alex: 65

Kwon consist at overrunning plays and missing tackles, our run D got worse and worse with him shooting backside gaps and not closing or overshooting and allowing cut backs. He consistently plays the run undisciplined. However, he is far better at coverage, but not as good as Davis.

I am not advocating for Alex to start... I’d like to see Baun play against CAR, but the true need for us it to get healthy on the D line again.

Edit:
Most of you seem to be short sighted... this D ranked 7th during our worst stretch (first 4 games). This defense has been solid when they don’t commit penalties and allow hidden yards. Since those first 4 games you could argue our next worse would be the last 3 games, all of which Kwon started and we allowed gashing runs... again not all him.

Those of you praising Kwon are the same ones calling for DAs head during the first 4 games of the season. Clueless then, clueless now.

Budsdrinker · 12-28-2020, 09:19 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

People are over estimating Kwon...

PFF grades:
Kwon: 54
Alex: 65

Kwon consist at overrunning plays and missing tackles, our run D got worse and worse with him shooting backside gaps and not closing or overshooting and allowing cut backs. He consistently plays the run undisciplined. However, he is far better at coverage, but not as good as Davis.

I am not advocating for Alex to start... I’d like to see Baun play against CAR, but the true need for us it to get healthy on the D line again.

Edit:
Most of you seem to be short sighted... this D ranked 7th during our worst stretch (first 4 games). This defense has been solid when they don’t commit penalties and allow hidden yards. Since those first 4 games you could argue our next worse would be the last 3 games, all of which Kwon started and we allowed gashing runs... again not all him.

Those of you praising Kwon are the same ones calling for DAs head during the first 4 games of the season. Clueless then, clueless now.

Exactly right. Kwon is good but he isn't the greatest either. His bad read is what allowed the long TD run by Sanders in the eagles game. DLine and Brown being available is the key.

jeanpierre · 12-30-2020, 02:29 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

People are over estimating Kwon...

PFF grades:
Kwon: 54
Alex: 65

Kwon consist at overrunning plays and missing tackles, our run D got worse and worse with him shooting backside gaps and not closing or overshooting and allowing cut backs. He consistently plays the run undisciplined. However, he is far better at coverage, but not as good as Davis.

I am not advocating for Alex to start... I’d like to see Baun play against CAR, but the true need for us it to get healthy on the D line again.

Edit:
Most of you seem to be short sighted... this D ranked 7th during our worst stretch (first 4 games). This defense has been solid when they don’t commit penalties and allow hidden yards. Since those first 4 games you could argue our next worse would be the last 3 games, all of which Kwon started and we allowed gashing runs... again not all him.

Those of you praising Kwon are the same ones calling for DAs head during the first 4 games of the season. Clueless then, clueless now.

Wait a minute, is the grade for Kwon you're citing the whole season? for when he joined the Saints? or his grade once coaches replaced Anzalone with Kwon?

Again, that last point - the Saints coaches traded, replaced Anzalone with Kwon - that kinda makes this discussion who was better for the defense moot...

And haven't seen anyone saying we're done or we're through, many of us are just calling BS on the position that it's no big deal losing Kwon when among the multitude of arguments against that fallacy,

Saints traded for Kwon and replaced Anzalone with Kwon tells you who the ones who really know think of Anzalone vs Kwon...

And, for what it's worth, there's no one who wants to see Anzalone rebound more than many of us in this discussion...

Then there's the reality Anzalone, finally healthy, seems stunted from his missed time...

Rell&Gold · 12-26-2020, 11:26 PM

I rather see Baun wont happen but I rather him In the game giving up a play

12-26-2020, 03:59 AM	#1
Cruize 1000 Posts + Join Date: May 2007 Posts: 4,467	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Good player. 100 percent effort all the time. Big loss for the defense.
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12-26-2020, 06:41 AM	#2
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 11,036 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Well we certainly didn’t get better with anzalone! I’d rather have PJ play that role than Alex. Rugby Saint II likes this.

12-26-2020, 09:09 AM	#3
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles We just aren’t meant to have great LB’s. That’s why Demario Davis has been such a blessing. jeanpierre and K Major like this.

12-30-2020, 02:22 AM	#4
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by ChrisXVI We just aren’t meant to have great LB’s. That’s why Demario Davis has been such a blessing. Well, we once had the greatest LB corps of all time; maybe this is just yen yang law, natural balance? K Major likes this.

12-26-2020, 09:10 AM	#5
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12-26-2020, 01:40 PM	#6
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,167	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles The defense gelled when Kwon got here. He allowed Davis to do his job without hesitation instead of playing slower to cover for Thor who is pure s***! Man, I feel bad for Kwon but now I'm worried about teams exploiting our LB'ers.

12-26-2020, 03:03 PM	#7
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles People are over estimating Kwon... PFF grades: Kwon: 54 Alex: 65 Kwon consist at overrunning plays and missing tackles, our run D got worse and worse with him shooting backside gaps and not closing or overshooting and allowing cut backs. He consistently plays the run undisciplined. However, he is far better at coverage, but not as good as Davis. I am not advocating for Alex to start... I’d like to see Baun play against CAR, but the true need for us it to get healthy on the D line again. Edit: Most of you seem to be short sighted... this D ranked 7th during our worst stretch (first 4 games). This defense has been solid when they don’t commit penalties and allow hidden yards. Since those first 4 games you could argue our next worse would be the last 3 games, all of which Kwon started and we allowed gashing runs... again not all him. Those of you praising Kwon are the same ones calling for DAs head during the first 4 games of the season. Clueless then, clueless now. Budsdrinker, AsylumGuido and FinSaint like this.
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12-28-2020, 09:19 AM	#8
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by blackangold People are over estimating Kwon... PFF grades: Kwon: 54 Alex: 65 Kwon consist at overrunning plays and missing tackles, our run D got worse and worse with him shooting backside gaps and not closing or overshooting and allowing cut backs. He consistently plays the run undisciplined. However, he is far better at coverage, but not as good as Davis. I am not advocating for Alex to start... I’d like to see Baun play against CAR, but the true need for us it to get healthy on the D line again. Edit: Most of you seem to be short sighted... this D ranked 7th during our worst stretch (first 4 games). This defense has been solid when they don’t commit penalties and allow hidden yards. Since those first 4 games you could argue our next worse would be the last 3 games, all of which Kwon started and we allowed gashing runs... again not all him. Those of you praising Kwon are the same ones calling for DAs head during the first 4 games of the season. Clueless then, clueless now. Exactly right. Kwon is good but he isn't the greatest either. His bad read is what allowed the long TD run by Sanders in the eagles game. DLine and Brown being available is the key.

12-30-2020, 02:29 AM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by blackangold People are over estimating Kwon... PFF grades: Kwon: 54 Alex: 65 Kwon consist at overrunning plays and missing tackles, our run D got worse and worse with him shooting backside gaps and not closing or overshooting and allowing cut backs. He consistently plays the run undisciplined. However, he is far better at coverage, but not as good as Davis. I am not advocating for Alex to start... I’d like to see Baun play against CAR, but the true need for us it to get healthy on the D line again. Edit: Most of you seem to be short sighted... this D ranked 7th during our worst stretch (first 4 games). This defense has been solid when they don’t commit penalties and allow hidden yards. Since those first 4 games you could argue our next worse would be the last 3 games, all of which Kwon started and we allowed gashing runs... again not all him. Those of you praising Kwon are the same ones calling for DAs head during the first 4 games of the season. Clueless then, clueless now. Wait a minute, is the grade for Kwon you're citing the whole season? for when he joined the Saints? or his grade once coaches replaced Anzalone with Kwon? Again, that last point - the Saints coaches traded, replaced Anzalone with Kwon - that kinda makes this discussion who was better for the defense moot... And haven't seen anyone saying we're done or we're through, many of us are just calling BS on the position that it's no big deal losing Kwon when among the multitude of arguments against that fallacy, Saints traded for Kwon and replaced Anzalone with Kwon tells you who the ones who really know think of Anzalone vs Kwon... And, for what it's worth, there's no one who wants to see Anzalone rebound more than many of us in this discussion... Then there's the reality Anzalone, finally healthy, seems stunted from his missed time... saintsfan1976, gosaints1 and K Major like this.
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12-26-2020, 11:26 PM	#10
Rell&Gold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Apr 2012 Location: Washington, D.C Posts: 2,891	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles I rather see Baun wont happen but I rather him In the game giving up a play