Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles

FinSaint · 12-27-2020, 06:39 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

We’ve been watching him **** up in coverage and get hurt for several years now.

It's almost like re-living the Shanle conversations from years back...

His whole collegiate and pro careers have been plagued by injuries, which isn't really his fault. I do acknowledge that I'm a bit of a Anzalone fan, and maybe even an apologist, but I do honestly think he is an above average LB in the league.

Anyway, he is probably gone after this season, so we'll get to see if it was the coaching/scheme or the player himself, which kept him from being a better player for the Saints.

Honestly, I'm more concerned about Baun's progress...

cmike · 12-27-2020, 07:17 AM

Originally Posted by FinSaint

I'm not sure which TD you're referring to, but on that one from practically the goalline - I'm pretty sure Irv Smith Jr was Davis' responsibility.

The TD with .22 left in the 3rd. Anzalone’s guy all the way.

Rugby Saint II · 12-27-2020, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by cmike

The TD with .22 left in the 3rd. Anzalone’s guy all the way.

This should be the last year that he looks lost in a Saints uniform. Hopefully!!! Too many blown coverages, bad angles and poor tackling resulting from those bad angles. I liked him at first but he has regressed each year and he stopped shining to me a long time ago. The FO traded and replaced him with Kwon if that tells you anything.

Budsdrinker · 12-28-2020, 10:19 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

People are over estimating Kwon...

PFF grades:
Kwon: 54
Alex: 65

Kwon consist at overrunning plays and missing tackles, our run D got worse and worse with him shooting backside gaps and not closing or overshooting and allowing cut backs. He consistently plays the run undisciplined. However, he is far better at coverage, but not as good as Davis.

I am not advocating for Alex to start... I’d like to see Baun play against CAR, but the true need for us it to get healthy on the D line again.

Edit:
Most of you seem to be short sighted... this D ranked 7th during our worst stretch (first 4 games). This defense has been solid when they don’t commit penalties and allow hidden yards. Since those first 4 games you could argue our next worse would be the last 3 games, all of which Kwon started and we allowed gashing runs... again not all him.

Those of you praising Kwon are the same ones calling for DAs head during the first 4 games of the season. Clueless then, clueless now.

Exactly right. Kwon is good but he isn't the greatest either. His bad read is what allowed the long TD run by Sanders in the eagles game. DLine and Brown being available is the key.

papz · 12-28-2020, 11:39 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Gardner hits like a LB at times.

I just want to say that he's my sub LB on Madden and he wrecks there.

I'm not exactly the biggest Anzalone fan but he's been pretty consistent all year... better than Kwon as some have pointed out. The difference IMO is the energy Kwon brings which isn't measured in stats.

saintsfan1976 · 12-28-2020, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by papz

I just want to say that he's my sub LB on Madden and he wrecks there.

I'm not exactly the biggest Anzalone fan but he's been pretty consistent all year... better than Kwon as some have pointed out. The difference IMO is the energy Kwon brings which isn't measured in stats.

Stats aside, I noticed a marked improvement in the ENTIRE defense when Kwon came aboard. PFF can't measure that. It also leads me to think Anzalone's teammates possibly don't trust him.

K Major · 12-28-2020, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Stats aside, I noticed a marked improvement in the ENTIRE defense when Kwon came aboard. PFF can't measure that. It also leads me to think Anzalone's teammates possibly don't trust him.

Exactly.

Saints need to find a capable back up in case Alex goes down as we enter post season. I love Craig R but he's too slow and nothing more than a special teamer at this point of his career.

Demario won't be able to roam now that Kwon is out.

AsylumGuido · 12-28-2020, 12:30 PM

Originally Posted by saintsfan1976

Stats aside, I noticed a marked improvement in the ENTIRE defense when Kwon came aboard. PFF can't measure that. It also leads me to think Anzalone's teammates possibly don't trust him.

And how did you come up with that stretch of a conclusion? Perhaps it had something to do with facing four straight abysmal opponents in his (Alexander's) first four games (SF, ATL, DEN, ATL).

saintsfan1976 · 12-28-2020, 05:52 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

And how did you come up with that stretch of a conclusion? Perhaps it had something to do with facing four straight abysmal opponents in his (Alexander's) first four games (SF, ATL, DEN, ATL).

Well, several reasons but for one, Anzalone’s playing time decreased with each week. He couldn’t cover passing routes. He couldn’t blitz. He missed too many assignments.

Would you trust him?

Boston Saint · 12-28-2020, 06:00 PM

It surely is a loss. I feel bad for the team and more so for him. Hope you rebound Kwon. Smarter folk than me will have to figure out how his injury impacts his contract and how he and the Saints move going forward. As a consolation he will get a Super Bowl ring because he is a Saint !

12-27-2020, 06:39 AM	#31
FinSaint Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Finland... formerly Southern Virginia Posts: 4,961	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by rezburna We’ve been watching him **** up in coverage and get hurt for several years now. It's almost like re-living the Shanle conversations from years back... His whole collegiate and pro careers have been plagued by injuries, which isn't really his fault. I do acknowledge that I'm a bit of a Anzalone fan, and maybe even an apologist, but I do honestly think he is an above average LB in the league. Anyway, he is probably gone after this season, so we'll get to see if it was the coaching/scheme or the player himself, which kept him from being a better player for the Saints. Honestly, I'm more concerned about Baun's progress...
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12-27-2020, 07:17 AM	#32
cmike 1000 Posts + Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Gulfport Posts: 1,427	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by FinSaint I'm not sure which TD you're referring to, but on that one from practically the goalline - I'm pretty sure Irv Smith Jr was Davis' responsibility. The TD with .22 left in the 3rd. Anzalone’s guy all the way.

12-27-2020, 01:25 PM	#33
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,044	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by cmike The TD with .22 left in the 3rd. Anzalone’s guy all the way. This should be the last year that he looks lost in a Saints uniform. Hopefully!!! Too many blown coverages, bad angles and poor tackling resulting from those bad angles. I liked him at first but he has regressed each year and he stopped shining to me a long time ago. The FO traded and replaced him with Kwon if that tells you anything. K Major likes this.

12-28-2020, 10:19 AM	#34
Budsdrinker A Cajun Transforming TX Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: The Woodlands, Texas Posts: 2,787	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by blackangold People are over estimating Kwon... PFF grades: Kwon: 54 Alex: 65 Kwon consist at overrunning plays and missing tackles, our run D got worse and worse with him shooting backside gaps and not closing or overshooting and allowing cut backs. He consistently plays the run undisciplined. However, he is far better at coverage, but not as good as Davis. I am not advocating for Alex to start... I’d like to see Baun play against CAR, but the true need for us it to get healthy on the D line again. Edit: Most of you seem to be short sighted... this D ranked 7th during our worst stretch (first 4 games). This defense has been solid when they don’t commit penalties and allow hidden yards. Since those first 4 games you could argue our next worse would be the last 3 games, all of which Kwon started and we allowed gashing runs... again not all him. Those of you praising Kwon are the same ones calling for DAs head during the first 4 games of the season. Clueless then, clueless now. Exactly right. Kwon is good but he isn't the greatest either. His bad read is what allowed the long TD run by Sanders in the eagles game. DLine and Brown being available is the key.

12-28-2020, 11:39 AM	#35
papz Problem? Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: New Orleans Posts: 11,743	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by Boston Saint Gardner hits like a LB at times. I just want to say that he's my sub LB on Madden and he wrecks there. I'm not exactly the biggest Anzalone fan but he's been pretty consistent all year... better than Kwon as some have pointed out. The difference IMO is the energy Kwon brings which isn't measured in stats. Boston Saint likes this.

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12-28-2020, 11:42 AM	#36
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by papz I just want to say that he's my sub LB on Madden and he wrecks there. I'm not exactly the biggest Anzalone fan but he's been pretty consistent all year... better than Kwon as some have pointed out. The difference IMO is the energy Kwon brings which isn't measured in stats. Stats aside, I noticed a marked improvement in the ENTIRE defense when Kwon came aboard. PFF can't measure that. It also leads me to think Anzalone's teammates possibly don't trust him. turbo_dog, jeanpierre and K Major like this.

12-28-2020, 12:13 PM	#37
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,618 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Stats aside, I noticed a marked improvement in the ENTIRE defense when Kwon came aboard. PFF can't measure that. It also leads me to think Anzalone's teammates possibly don't trust him. Exactly. Saints need to find a capable back up in case Alex goes down as we enter post season. I love Craig R but he's too slow and nothing more than a special teamer at this point of his career. Demario won't be able to roam now that Kwon is out. jeanpierre likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,173	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by saintsfan1976 Stats aside, I noticed a marked improvement in the ENTIRE defense when Kwon came aboard. PFF can't measure that. It also leads me to think Anzalone's teammates possibly don't trust him. And how did you come up with that stretch of a conclusion? Perhaps it had something to do with facing four straight abysmal opponents in his (Alexander's) first four games (SF, ATL, DEN, ATL).

12-28-2020, 05:52 PM	#39
saintsfan1976 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Apr 2007 Location: Atlanta Posts: 10,832 Blog Entries: 3	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles Originally Posted by AsylumGuido And how did you come up with that stretch of a conclusion? Perhaps it had something to do with facing four straight abysmal opponents in his (Alexander's) first four games (SF, ATL, DEN, ATL). Well, several reasons but for one, Anzalone’s playing time decreased with each week. He couldn’t cover passing routes. He couldn’t blitz. He missed too many assignments. Would you trust him? K Major likes this.

12-28-2020, 06:00 PM	#40
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: Kwon Alexander Torn Achilles It surely is a loss. I feel bad for the team and more so for him. Hope you rebound Kwon. Smarter folk than me will have to figure out how his injury impacts his contract and how he and the Saints move going forward. As a consolation he will get a Super Bowl ring because he is a Saint ! saintsfan1976 likes this.