Drew’s Final Regular Season Game?

st thomas · 01-04-2021, 01:12 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Exactly, This^^.

Can anybody guess the difference between any previous 6-10 season and not being in the playoffs, to the 13-3 NFC South championship team from last year?

Absolutely nothing.

DB#9 has led this team to multiple losing record seasons, 5 to be exact, along with one .500 season, since 2006. His conference championship record is a paltry 1-2, and a very good argument can be made that the 2009 NFC championship game should have been a loss. iirc (I was at that game, first year of season tickets), Minn fumbled the ball 6 times, losing three of those fumbles, along with throwing two interceptions. The fact that we, the home team, needed overtime to win that game isn’t exactly a positive in my book.

The idea that the Saints are a 6 win team, at best, without DB#9 makes little sense. And it devalues every other player who is busting their chops week in/week out. This is a very good team, when healthy, even with DB#9 on the sidelines.

Everyone has there opinion it’s a good one, but I’ll take Brees one more. And yes 6-10 is a bad assessment Payton would have the next one ready for better than that.

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Boston Saint · 01-04-2021, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Exactly, This^^.

Can anybody guess the difference between any previous 6-10 season and not being in the playoffs, to the 13-3 NFC South championship team from last year?

Absolutely nothing.

DB#9 has led this team to multiple losing record seasons, 5 to be exact, along with one .500 season, since 2006. His conference championship record is a paltry 1-2, and a very good argument can be made that the 2009 NFC championship game should have been a loss. iirc (I was at that game, first year of season tickets), Minn fumbled the ball 6 times, losing three of those fumbles, along with throwing two interceptions. The fact that we, the home team, needed overtime to win that game isn’t exactly a positive in my book.

The idea that the Saints are a 6 win team, at best, without DB#9 makes little sense. And it devalues every other player who is busting their chops week in/week out. This is a very good team, when healthy, even with DB#9 on the sidelines.

I’m sorry, but with all due respect I completely disagree. During some of these 6-10 seasons you complain about Drew was 5,000 yards passing and the best QB in the league while the D was setting records for being historically bad. Looking back at past years and trying to blame the QB play for not getting a second SB title is way off.

R Wilson is still trying to win his second SB. So is Rogers. Manning had to ride the coattails of a historically good D to get his second. Stafford, Ryan, Newton, Rivers, Romo, Smith and dozens of first round draft pick QBs never got even one.

The question is how is the best way to move forward. Even if we ignore the money/cap situation (A silly thing to do) the way Brees has performed this year considering the massive amount of injuries the Saints have had to endure to the offensive skill positions tells me that he is still able to perform at
A level that matches or exceeds most other QBs that would be a available in the off season.

Boston Saint · 01-04-2021, 01:30 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Exactly, This^

His conference championship record is a paltry 1-2,.....

And those 2 losses were the Rams game that was a Fix from the ref ls and at Chicago in his first year with the Saints. Was the Minnesota Miracle his fault too? How about the Niner drive where V Davis caught the game winner with practically no time left. I guess Beast Mode was his bad too.

dizzle88 · 01-04-2021, 01:42 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

I’m sorry, but with all due respect I completely disagree. During some of these 6-10 seasons you complain about Drew was 5,000 yards passing and the best QB in the league while the D was setting records for being historically bad. Looking back at past years and trying to blame the QB play for not getting a second SB title is way off.

R Wilson is still trying to win his second SB. So is Rogers. Manning had to ride the coattails of a historically good D to get his second. Stafford, Ryan, Newton, Rivers, Romo, Smith and dozens of first round draft pick QBs never got even one.

The question is how is the best way to move forward. Even if we ignore the money/cap situation (A silly thing to do) the way Brees has performed this year considering the massive amount of injuries the Saints have had to endure to the offensive skill positions tells me that he is still able to perform at
A level that matches or exceeds most other QBs that would be a available in the off season.

Agreed, Brees is pretty much the only reason that this team even won 7 games when he was given the #32 ranked D, year after year.

He was the lone bright spot for many years.

Boston Saint · 01-04-2021, 01:45 PM

Originally Posted by dizzle88

Agreed, Brees is pretty much the only reason that this team even won 7 games when he was given the #32 ranked D, year after year.

He was the lone bright spot for many years.

Ah-friggin-men!

WW_Who_Dat · 01-04-2021, 01:48 PM

Drew is the starting QB because he IS THE BEST QB ON THE ROSTER. If Drew returns for the 2021 season with Hill and Winston on the roster he will still be the best QB on the team going into preseason... Bet against Drew ... not happening here.

shawnkytonk · 01-04-2021, 03:21 PM

Originally Posted by cmike

I hope the Wentz rumors are just that, rumors . Would rather have Dak. Imagine Dak in this offense with the numbers he’s capable of putting up. Drew and Dak aren’t far off from being the same type of players. Their careers have also gone the same direction. Both coming off injuries from their previous teams who didn’t want you. I’m down.

I would absolutely love Dak in NOLA!!!!

gosaints1 · 01-04-2021, 03:28 PM

Originally Posted by shawnkytonk

I would absolutely love Dak in NOLA!!!!

I don’t think Dak’s going anywhere other than Dallas, but I agree!

AsylumGuido · 01-04-2021, 03:30 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

Exactly, This^^.

Can anybody guess the difference between any previous 6-10 season and not being in the playoffs, to the 13-3 NFC South championship team from last year?

Absolutely nothing.

DB#9 has led this team to multiple losing record seasons, 5 to be exact, along with one .500 season, since 2006. His conference championship record is a paltry 1-2, and a very good argument can be made that the 2009 NFC championship game should have been a loss. iirc (I was at that game, first year of season tickets), Minn fumbled the ball 6 times, losing three of those fumbles, along with throwing two interceptions. The fact that we, the home team, needed overtime to win that game isn’t exactly a positive in my book.

The idea that the Saints are a 6 win team, at best, without DB#9 makes little sense. And it devalues every other player who is busting their chops week in/week out. This is a very good team, when healthy, even with DB#9 on the sidelines.

I watch my Saints to be entertained. They play the games to be entertainers. The games are televised as entertainment. I was FAR more entertained when the Saints went 13-3 last year than any year when they went 6-10. To me THAT is a huge difference. Brees led teams have had double digit wins nine times, a feat which had only been accomplished FIVE times before in Saints history. And, yes, I know the first 11 years of our history they only played 14 games. I also know they never won more than five of those 14 games over that stretch.

shawnkytonk · 01-04-2021, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by gosaints1

I don’t think Dak’s going anywhere other than Dallas, but I agree!

Dallas fans don't deserve him, but I think you're right. He's Jerry's guy apparently.

01-04-2021, 01:12 PM	#41
st thomas Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: lafayette Posts: 7,753	Re: Drew’s Final Regular Season Game? Originally Posted by gosaints1 Exactly, This^^. Can anybody guess the difference between any previous 6-10 season and not being in the playoffs, to the 13-3 NFC South championship team from last year? Absolutely nothing. DB#9 has led this team to multiple losing record seasons, 5 to be exact, along with one .500 season, since 2006. His conference championship record is a paltry 1-2, and a very good argument can be made that the 2009 NFC championship game should have been a loss. iirc (I was at that game, first year of season tickets), Minn fumbled the ball 6 times, losing three of those fumbles, along with throwing two interceptions. The fact that we, the home team, needed overtime to win that game isn’t exactly a positive in my book. The idea that the Saints are a 6 win team, at best, without DB#9 makes little sense. And it devalues every other player who is busting their chops week in/week out. This is a very good team, when healthy, even with DB#9 on the sidelines. Everyone has there opinion it’s a good one, but I’ll take Brees one more. And yes 6-10 is a bad assessment Payton would have the next one ready for better than that. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

01-04-2021, 01:15 PM	#42
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Drew’s Final Regular Season Game? Originally Posted by gosaints1 Exactly, This^^. Can anybody guess the difference between any previous 6-10 season and not being in the playoffs, to the 13-3 NFC South championship team from last year? Absolutely nothing. DB#9 has led this team to multiple losing record seasons, 5 to be exact, along with one .500 season, since 2006. His conference championship record is a paltry 1-2, and a very good argument can be made that the 2009 NFC championship game should have been a loss. iirc (I was at that game, first year of season tickets), Minn fumbled the ball 6 times, losing three of those fumbles, along with throwing two interceptions. The fact that we, the home team, needed overtime to win that game isn’t exactly a positive in my book. The idea that the Saints are a 6 win team, at best, without DB#9 makes little sense. And it devalues every other player who is busting their chops week in/week out. This is a very good team, when healthy, even with DB#9 on the sidelines. I’m sorry, but with all due respect I completely disagree. During some of these 6-10 seasons you complain about Drew was 5,000 yards passing and the best QB in the league while the D was setting records for being historically bad. Looking back at past years and trying to blame the QB play for not getting a second SB title is way off. R Wilson is still trying to win his second SB. So is Rogers. Manning had to ride the coattails of a historically good D to get his second. Stafford, Ryan, Newton, Rivers, Romo, Smith and dozens of first round draft pick QBs never got even one. The question is how is the best way to move forward. Even if we ignore the money/cap situation (A silly thing to do) the way Brees has performed this year considering the massive amount of injuries the Saints have had to endure to the offensive skill positions tells me that he is still able to perform at A level that matches or exceeds most other QBs that would be a available in the off season. Halo, iceshack149, jnormand and 5 others like this.
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01-04-2021, 01:30 PM	#43
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Drew’s Final Regular Season Game? Originally Posted by gosaints1 Exactly, This^ His conference championship record is a paltry 1-2,..... And those 2 losses were the Rams game that was a Fix from the ref ls and at Chicago in his first year with the Saints. Was the Minnesota Miracle his fault too? How about the Niner drive where V Davis caught the game winner with practically no time left. I guess Beast Mode was his bad too. Halo, jnormand and Rugby Saint II like this.

01-04-2021, 01:42 PM	#44
dizzle88 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Oct 2009 Posts: 10,838	Re: Drew’s Final Regular Season Game? Originally Posted by Boston Saint I’m sorry, but with all due respect I completely disagree. During some of these 6-10 seasons you complain about Drew was 5,000 yards passing and the best QB in the league while the D was setting records for being historically bad. Looking back at past years and trying to blame the QB play for not getting a second SB title is way off. R Wilson is still trying to win his second SB. So is Rogers. Manning had to ride the coattails of a historically good D to get his second. Stafford, Ryan, Newton, Rivers, Romo, Smith and dozens of first round draft pick QBs never got even one. The question is how is the best way to move forward. Even if we ignore the money/cap situation (A silly thing to do) the way Brees has performed this year considering the massive amount of injuries the Saints have had to endure to the offensive skill positions tells me that he is still able to perform at A level that matches or exceeds most other QBs that would be a available in the off season. Agreed, Brees is pretty much the only reason that this team even won 7 games when he was given the #32 ranked D, year after year. He was the lone bright spot for many years. Halo, iceshack149, Rugby Saint II and 1 others like this.

01-04-2021, 01:45 PM	#45
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,874	Re: Drew’s Final Regular Season Game? Originally Posted by dizzle88 Agreed, Brees is pretty much the only reason that this team even won 7 games when he was given the #32 ranked D, year after year. He was the lone bright spot for many years. Ah-friggin-men!

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shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 736	Re: Drew’s Final Regular Season Game? Originally Posted by cmike I hope the Wentz rumors are just that, rumors . Would rather have Dak. Imagine Dak in this offense with the numbers he’s capable of putting up. Drew and Dak aren’t far off from being the same type of players. Their careers have also gone the same direction. Both coming off injuries from their previous teams who didn’t want you. I’m down. I would absolutely love Dak in NOLA!!!! gosaints1 likes this.

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01-04-2021, 03:30 PM	#49
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,394	Re: Drew’s Final Regular Season Game? Originally Posted by gosaints1 Exactly, This^^. Can anybody guess the difference between any previous 6-10 season and not being in the playoffs, to the 13-3 NFC South championship team from last year? Absolutely nothing. DB#9 has led this team to multiple losing record seasons, 5 to be exact, along with one .500 season, since 2006. His conference championship record is a paltry 1-2, and a very good argument can be made that the 2009 NFC championship game should have been a loss. iirc (I was at that game, first year of season tickets), Minn fumbled the ball 6 times, losing three of those fumbles, along with throwing two interceptions. The fact that we, the home team, needed overtime to win that game isn’t exactly a positive in my book. The idea that the Saints are a 6 win team, at best, without DB#9 makes little sense. And it devalues every other player who is busting their chops week in/week out. This is a very good team, when healthy, even with DB#9 on the sidelines. I watch my Saints to be entertained. They play the games to be entertainers. The games are televised as entertainment. I was FAR more entertained when the Saints went 13-3 last year than any year when they went 6-10. To me THAT is a huge difference. Brees led teams have had double digit wins nine times, a feat which had only been accomplished FIVE times before in Saints history. And, yes, I know the first 11 years of our history they only played 14 games. I also know they never won more than five of those 14 games over that stretch. Thirty3 likes this.
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01-04-2021, 03:40 PM	#50
shawnkytonk 500th Post Join Date: Aug 2014 Location: Denver>Memphis>Mississippi Posts: 736	Re: Drew’s Final Regular Season Game? Originally Posted by gosaints1 I don’t think Dak’s going anywhere other than Dallas, but I agree! Dallas fans don't deserve him, but I think you're right. He's Jerry's guy apparently.