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this is a discussion within the NFL Community Forum; Originally Posted by rezburna I'm sure you found that with a quick Google search but of course, we have to do the research for them. Exactly. Because they want to stay ignorant. I am so sick of it. It stinks ...

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Old 09-25-2017, 08:05 PM   #91
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Originally Posted by rezburna View Post
I'm sure you found that with a quick Google search but of course, we have to do the research for them.
Exactly. Because they want to stay ignorant. I am so sick of it.

It stinks of mostly white, but definitely, economic privilege up in here.
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:09 PM   #92
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We're not allowed to be. We go to school and learn about White culture everyday, all day.
Right? I sure didn't learn about the contributions of black people in school. Nope. Mostly, I learned that they were the victims of white culture and then got "uppity" in the 50s and 60s.

But, I am a compassionate white woman so I felt empathy for their plight. I hope they felt empathy for mine because I sure needed it.
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:10 PM   #93
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Originally Posted by rezburna View Post
Jazz is characterized by swing and blue notes, call and response vocals, polyrhythms and improvisation. Jazz has roots in West African cultural and musical expression, and in African-American music traditions including blues and ragtime, as well as European military band music. Although the foundation of jazz is deeply rooted within the black experience of the United States, different cultures have contributed their own experience and styles to the art form as well. Intellectuals around the world have hailed jazz as "one of America's original art forms".

Ferris, Jean (1993) America's Musical Landscape. Brown and Benchmark. ISBN 0697125165. pp. 228, 233

Starr, Larry, and Christopher Waterman. "Popular Jazz and Swing: America's Original Art Form." IIP Digital. Oxford University Press, 26 July 2008.

Is that enough acknowledgement of this "vast", European influence?
Wait wait. This writer appears to agree with me, pretty much:

Jazz has roots in West African cultural and musical expression, and in African-American music traditions including blues and ragtime, as well as European military band music.
I don't disagree with a single word. Thank you for posting. It isn't uniquely black as you suggested many posts ago. White people didn't steal it as you so desperately want to believe. Dude I'm so sorry for you but it just isn't true.

Three chords and the truth. That was a white creation. Did black people steal it?

Of course not. That's absurd. You get it yet?

See, the key of "G" is, well, G, C, then D. The seventh which leads from the 1 to the 3, the 'blue' note...White people invented that Sir.

But it is completely preposterous to suggest that black people singing the blues stole white culture. I'm sorry if you can't get wrapped around my point. I truly do appreciate your passion for music. We share that. It is neither black nor white. It's human. I wish you could see that.

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Old 09-25-2017, 08:13 PM   #94
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And, to Danno, about the NFL not being a product you will be purchasing anymore - does that mean we will be seeing less of you, then? Fingers-crossed.
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:14 PM   #95
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And let's make sure we cite the book so they can go read all about it.

James, P.P., Enslaved Inventors, Hidden Contributors. The Real McCoy: African-American Invention and Innovation, 1619-1930. Washington, D.C.: Smithsonian Institution Press, 1989, Chapter Three.
Do you actually believe black people are the only people ever robbed of their invention? Google that Sir...

I'll wait...

You see racism where you want to see it.

And yes, do cite a book. The last one you cited proved my point...
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Wait wait. This writer appears to agree with me, pretty much:



I don't disagree with a single word. Thank you for posting. It isn't uniquely black as you suggested many posts ago. White people didn't steal it as you so desperately want to believe. Dude I'm so sorry for you but it just isn't true.

Three chords and the truth. That was a white creation. Did black people steal it?

Of course not. That's absurd. You get it yet?

See, the key of "G" is, well, G, C, then D. The seventh which leads from the 1 to the 3, the 'blue' note...White people invented that Sir.

But it is completely preposterous to suggest that black people singing the blues stole white culture. I'm sorry if you can't get wrapped around my point. I truly do appreciate your passion for music. We share that. It is neither black nor white. It's human. I wish you could see that.
The author states jazz is deeply rooted in the Black experience. Not to mention, you can't invent a key. A key exists whether you're capable of producing it or not. There's this habit of believing you invented and discovered things that other people already knew about. There's no proof that Europeans were the first to string those cords together. Did it have influence on Blacks? Sure, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the art form was born out of the Black experience as the author said. Those Europeans who "invented" the key didn't in turn start making blues or jazz for Black people to mimic.

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The author states jazz is deeply rooted in the Black experience. And you can't invent a key. A key exists whether you're capable of producing it or not. There's no proof that Europeans were the first to string those cords together. Did it have influence on Blacks? Sure, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the art form was born out of the Black experience as the author said.
You think the western musical structure came from Africa?

Were they playing guitars over there in the bush? The guitar is 4000 years old. How far back must we go before you understand? Do you even want to understand?
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:19 PM   #98
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The author states jazz is deeply rooted in the Black experience. Not to mention, you can't invent a key. A key exists whether you're capable of producing it or not. There's this habit of believing you invented and discovered things that other people already knew about. There's no proof that Europeans were the first to string those cords together. Did it have influence on Blacks? Sure, but that doesn't take away from the fact that the art form was born out of the Black experience as the author said. Those Europeans who "invented" the key didn't in turn start making blues or jazz.
Oldest record of music from 1400 BC. Kinda cool but way way before US slaves. Stringed noted.

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Do you actually believe black people are the only people ever robbed of their invention? Google that Sir...

I'll wait...

You see racism where you want to see it.

And yes, do cite a book. The last one you cited proved my point...
Wait...so enslaved people not being credited for their inventions wasn't a product of racism? Lmao. Okay. I'm done. Good night.
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Old 09-25-2017, 08:21 PM   #100
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Wait...so enslaved people not being credited for their inventions wasn't a product of racism? Lmao. Okay. I'm done. Good night.
Oh you were done a few pages back. Sleep well my friend. Let's continue tomorrow. I'm down. This is fun. I'll get through to you eventually if you give me a fair shot. You won't be the first.
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