Don't take MY word for it...

seraph33 · 10-22-2003, 11:04 AM

Now a Brooks / Peyton Manning debate is completely laughable. The guy couldn\'t wash Peyton\'s Jock strap. Post all the stats you want, EVERYONE knows Peyton is in the top 3 if not top QB in the league. If I needed a QB for one game and my life depended on it, it would be a toss up between Peyton and Favre.

Give the Delhomme/ Brooks debate a rest already. Some people like Delhomme and want him to succeed. I am one of those people. If Brooks is going to start being consistent and play up to his potential and pay, then I want him in a Saints uniform. I\'m sure alot of people feel the same way about that. By the end of the season I hope we don\'t even have to question our QB anymore.

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-22-2003, 11:14 AM

If I needed a QB for one game and my life depended on it, it would be a toss up between Peyton and Favre.

Take Favre because it\'s a well known fact that Peyton flops in big games. What\'s Peyton\'s playoff record again??

saintz08 · 10-22-2003, 11:26 AM

And of course you would go for that stat .

Based upon experience and the time frame of the team , the comparison on a limited basis could only be made to the 2000 season for Brooks .

Brooks 8 Games 113 completions 194 attempts 9 touchdowns 6 interceptions

Jake 162 Pass attempts -- 96 Completions -- 7 Touchdowns -- 5 Interceptoins

Based upon this timeline of experience and team position , They are rather close in percentages and interceptions .

Not seeing the Superman status you give Brooks .....

Or is Delhomme worthy of it too ......

saintfan · 10-22-2003, 12:28 PM

Not now nor have I ever attempted to give Brooks \"Superman\" status \"08\". In fact it\'s folks like you that wanna give Delhomme such status, and when the numbers don\'t warrant it (I told you they wouldn\'t) you make an exception here for Delhomme and an exception there for Delhomme. My question to you is now what it has always been. Why don\'t you give credit where credit is due for Brooks in the same manner you do it for Delhomme? Long ago I answered it myself since you never would. The answer points directly at your agenda. You were hollering for Delhomme the day Brooks took over. Nevermind he was unable to win the job prior to Brooks\' arrival. You\'d be just as negative towards whomever the QB is now because you think they stole something from Jake. Face it. Nobody treated Jake unfairly...except you. Calling him the would be Savior is unfair to him. He\'s just not that good.

creole_t · 10-22-2003, 01:20 PM

Just for the sake of opinions....

Would you rather play Brooks QB the Saint vs Delhomme\'s Panthers....
or play this Carolina team QB\'d by Brooks with Delhomme as our QB??

Hmmm...

WhoDat · 10-22-2003, 01:47 PM

Hey Saintfan... uhm, it\'s the devil, and I\'ll bet a fiddle of gold against yer sole... sorry, I\'m back now.

Would you say that AB\'s first 6 games as a starter in this league versus Delhomme\'s first 6 games would be a relatively fair match up if you wanted to compare stats? I mean, nothing is even going to exactly be apples to apples, but... Brooks was younger, but on a more explosive team, Delhomme is older but in a system that doesn\'t really help the QB out in the stats category. Can we look at those numbers? I mean, there has to be some middle ground on which we can compare those numbers, right? So you tell me, what is fair?

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-22-2003, 02:31 PM

Gator -- I\'m guilty as charged. But we all use any ammo we can come up with to prove our points. Really, the only thing I\'m trying to point out to these knuckleheads is that they are WAY premature to be calling Brooks a bum or a bust.

Now, he might end up being a bust(which I don\'t believe) but it\'s too early for ANYONE to be saying that.

I hope it does piss people off because it pisses me off to hear their garbage. That\'s a 2 way street there Gator. I\'ll keep things on any kind of level that anyone wants to go. If you want to keep it clean -- I\'m good with that. If someone wants to jump in the mud. I know how to take a shower

WhoDat · 10-22-2003, 02:33 PM

OK, Gator has made reference to poo or turds in like four posts today and nobody jumps on him for a poo fetish. The double standards on this board!! I swear!! LMAO.

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-22-2003, 02:50 PM

I have never said that Brooks is above criticism. NEVER!! If someone wants to say he\'s not the best at reading defenses. FINE !! Or, if they want to point out some other flaws. I have no problem with that.

The only thing that I have been saying is that some members UNJUSTLY criticize the guy. And they do !! The ONLY folks I have issues with are the one\'s who basically are saying it\'s time to give up on the guy or the one\'s that say he won\'t get it done.

BillyCarpenter1 · 10-22-2003, 03:05 PM

Call it what you will Gator. I have maintained the same stance when Brooks was struggling and when he has played well. Unlike, most members on here that don\'t have any patience and have knee jerk reactions. You just throw stuff out there that I\'ve never said. Show me where I said something unfair Gator?? Can you do that? I don\'t think so. Now, I can show you some of your stuff that was WAY off base...

10-22-2003, 11:04 AM	#21
seraph33 Registered Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: Baton Rouge Posts: 68	Don't take MY word for it... Now a Brooks / Peyton Manning debate is completely laughable. The guy couldn\'t wash Peyton\'s Jock strap. Post all the stats you want, EVERYONE knows Peyton is in the top 3 if not top QB in the league. If I needed a QB for one game and my life depended on it, it would be a toss up between Peyton and Favre. Give the Delhomme/ Brooks debate a rest already. Some people like Delhomme and want him to succeed. I am one of those people. If Brooks is going to start being consistent and play up to his potential and pay, then I want him in a Saints uniform. I\'m sure alot of people feel the same way about that. By the end of the season I hope we don\'t even have to question our QB anymore.

10-22-2003, 11:14 AM	#22
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Don't take MY word for it... If I needed a QB for one game and my life depended on it, it would be a toss up between Peyton and Favre. Take Favre because it\'s a well known fact that Peyton flops in big games. What\'s Peyton\'s playoff record again??
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10-22-2003, 11:26 AM	#23
saintz08 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2002 Posts: 3,020	Don't take MY word for it... And of course you would go for that stat . Based upon experience and the time frame of the team , the comparison on a limited basis could only be made to the 2000 season for Brooks . Brooks 8 Games 113 completions 194 attempts 9 touchdowns 6 interceptions Jake 162 Pass attempts -- 96 Completions -- 7 Touchdowns -- 5 Interceptoins Based upon this timeline of experience and team position , They are rather close in percentages and interceptions . Not seeing the Superman status you give Brooks ..... Or is Delhomme worthy of it too ......
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10-22-2003, 12:28 PM	#24
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Don't take MY word for it... Not now nor have I ever attempted to give Brooks \"Superman\" status \"08\". In fact it\'s folks like you that wanna give Delhomme such status, and when the numbers don\'t warrant it (I told you they wouldn\'t) you make an exception here for Delhomme and an exception there for Delhomme. My question to you is now what it has always been. Why don\'t you give credit where credit is due for Brooks in the same manner you do it for Delhomme? Long ago I answered it myself since you never would. The answer points directly at your agenda. You were hollering for Delhomme the day Brooks took over. Nevermind he was unable to win the job prior to Brooks\' arrival. You\'d be just as negative towards whomever the QB is now because you think they stole something from Jake. Face it. Nobody treated Jake unfairly...except you. Calling him the would be Savior is unfair to him. He\'s just not that good.
	C'mon Man...

10-22-2003, 01:20 PM	#25
creole_t Registered Join Date: Nov 2002 Posts: 53	Don't take MY word for it... Just for the sake of opinions.... Would you rather play Brooks QB the Saint vs Delhomme\'s Panthers.... or play this Carolina team QB\'d by Brooks with Delhomme as our QB?? Hmmm...
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10-22-2003, 02:31 PM	#27
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Don't take MY word for it... Gator -- I\'m guilty as charged. But we all use any ammo we can come up with to prove our points. Really, the only thing I\'m trying to point out to these knuckleheads is that they are WAY premature to be calling Brooks a bum or a bust. Now, he might end up being a bust(which I don\'t believe) but it\'s too early for ANYONE to be saying that. I hope it does piss people off because it pisses me off to hear their garbage. That\'s a 2 way street there Gator. I\'ll keep things on any kind of level that anyone wants to go. If you want to keep it clean -- I\'m good with that. If someone wants to jump in the mud. I know how to take a shower
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10-22-2003, 02:33 PM	#28
WhoDat 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2002 Posts: 5,631	Don't take MY word for it... OK, Gator has made reference to poo or turds in like four posts today and nobody jumps on him for a poo fetish. The double standards on this board!! I swear!! LMAO.
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10-22-2003, 02:50 PM	#29
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Don't take MY word for it... I have never said that Brooks is above criticism. NEVER!! If someone wants to say he\'s not the best at reading defenses. FINE !! Or, if they want to point out some other flaws. I have no problem with that. The only thing that I have been saying is that some members UNJUSTLY criticize the guy. And they do !! The ONLY folks I have issues with are the one\'s who basically are saying it\'s time to give up on the guy or the one\'s that say he won\'t get it done.
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10-22-2003, 03:05 PM	#30
BillyCarpenter1 Banned Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 2,209	Don't take MY word for it... Call it what you will Gator. I have maintained the same stance when Brooks was struggling and when he has played well. Unlike, most members on here that don\'t have any patience and have knee jerk reactions. You just throw stuff out there that I\'ve never said. Show me where I said something unfair Gator?? Can you do that? I don\'t think so. Now, I can show you some of your stuff that was WAY off base...
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