AB in Saints HoF

Jack Vegas · 05-20-2014, 01:25 PM

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

I think there is some confusion here. Brooks himself stated he wanted to be known as a pocket passer and not the typical running black QB. It wasn't the Saints trying to convert him, that's what he wanted.

Did he really want that, or was that just a sound bite? The whole "becoming a pocket passer" was a creation of the media. I don't think Brooks nor the coaching staff ever really wanted to make an issue of it one way or another.

Originally Posted by Budsdrinker

I also think you need to look again at the defense. The defense was not awful. In 2000 Glover led the league in sacks and we had a +9 turnover ratio. The first playoff win the defense had 3 picks and 2 fumble recoveries.

The defense was not awful in 2000, but they did give up a bajillion points against the Rams which is why we almost lost that game. It was a good defense the same way as the 2009 team, give up tons of yards and points but counter it with big plays, sacks and interceptions. It certainly was not a defense on the order of what we have now, or anything approaching the Mora years. But that was the only year they were even close to being considering a good defense. Starting in 2001 they were brutally terrible and continued to be terrible until the end of Haslett's tenure.

exile · 05-20-2014, 02:17 PM

Brooks and Carney made it. Boom!!!!

saintfan · 05-20-2014, 02:49 PM

Originally Posted by exile

Brooks and Carney made it. Boom!!!!

Haters: Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it!

Well deserved Aaron Brooks and John Carney!

For the Brooks haters:

AARON BROOKS (2000-05—6 seasons)
• Quarterbacked Saints to first playoff victory in franchise history in 2000 vs. St. Louis
• Ranks second in franchise history with 120 passing touchdowns
• Ranks third in Saints history with 19,156 passing yards
• Had 10 career 300-yard passing games as a Saint, second-most in team history
• Set then-franchise record with 441 passing yards vs Denver, Dec. 3, 2000
• Shares team record for pass attempts in a game (60)

Aaron Brooks, John Carney elected to Saints Hall of Fame

saintfan · 05-20-2014, 02:52 PM

I really couldn't be more pleased. It's personal satisfaction no doubt, but I feel fantastic for Aaron Brooks. He took SO MUCH CRAP - undeserved by and large. By all accounts he is a good person too. Smart guy. Took his football money and invested it.

I hope he shows up and gets inducted in front of a full dome, and I hope he flips off the crowd too...

foreverfan · 05-20-2014, 05:57 PM

I'm looking on the bright side. For a week I get to wear my Aaron Brooks jersey. I wonder if I can still find it. Lol

just go on record I think Brooks deserves it. When Mike McCarthy left, our entire team went to crap. Teams easily exploited Brooks inability to pick up the rush and his fate was sealed. Going to Oakland was the worst decision Brooks ever made simply because no quarterback was going to win in Oakland at that time.

darstep · 05-20-2014, 06:29 PM

Congrats Aaron Brooks. He could throw a beautiful spiral.
First dude since 67 that could "actually" hit a receiver in stride beyond 30 yards.
All down hill after Willie Roaf vacated his blind side.
Brooks nearly got his head taken off every week after Roaf.
Jumped ship to Oakland and became their sacrificial tackling dummy.
Fumbles and bad decisions accounted, Brooks had good success with Black & Gold.
Glad to see it.

hagan714 · 05-20-2014, 08:46 PM

oh god is picture smiling after a pick?

iceshack149 · 05-20-2014, 10:04 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I really couldn't be more pleased. It's personal satisfaction no doubt, but I feel fantastic for Aaron Brooks. He took SO MUCH CRAP - undeserved by and large. By all accounts he is a good person too. Smart guy. Took his football money and invested it.

I hope he shows up and gets inducted in front of a full dome, and I hope he flips off the crowd too...

Gee, I didn't think a thread about Aaron Brooks would catch fire and piss people off.

Ten years later and we're still debating this. The Aaron Brooks debate has always divided us. It seems like you either really like the guy or you hated him.

Brooks was mobile and threw a nice ball. As saintfan said, the Saints had very little going for them during Brooks tenure.
Understand this: we had nothing to be excited about since the Dome Patrol and Brooks played a part in changing that. When you spend your life begging for just a playoff win and Brooks helped to deliver that, you're out of mind not to celebrate the man.

I never understood the disdain people had for Aaron Brooks. That said, I would hate to see AB flip everybody off.

Jack Vegas · 05-20-2014, 10:57 PM

^ He wouldn't because he is not that kind of a dude. A lot classier than his more famous cousin, that's for sure. Despite everything I never heard him say a bad thing about the fans. If nothing else, I think even his most adamant haters have to admit he was a person of good character.

Out of curiosity I pulled out the only game I still have from those years. At Bears in 02 in Champaign. The Saints were a debacle in the first half, muffed a kickoff, fumbled at mid-field, defense couldn't stop anybody. It was sad. But I have to say, Brooks kept his head and kept the team in the game. At this point in his career he looked like a very good NFL QB. Wouldn't be until later all the crap with his elbow and Delhomme happened and his confidence went down the toilet.

exile · 05-21-2014, 10:29 AM

They are still all smiles. Good for them.

Former teammates Aaron Brooks, John Carney happy to go into New Orleans Saints Hall of Fame together | NOLA.com

05-20-2014, 01:25 PM	#51
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: AB in Saints HoF Originally Posted by Budsdrinker I think there is some confusion here. Brooks himself stated he wanted to be known as a pocket passer and not the typical running black QB. It wasn't the Saints trying to convert him, that's what he wanted. Did he really want that, or was that just a sound bite? The whole "becoming a pocket passer" was a creation of the media. I don't think Brooks nor the coaching staff ever really wanted to make an issue of it one way or another. Originally Posted by Budsdrinker I also think you need to look again at the defense. The defense was not awful. In 2000 Glover led the league in sacks and we had a +9 turnover ratio. The first playoff win the defense had 3 picks and 2 fumble recoveries. The defense was not awful in 2000, but they did give up a bajillion points against the Rams which is why we almost lost that game. It was a good defense the same way as the 2009 team, give up tons of yards and points but counter it with big plays, sacks and interceptions. It certainly was not a defense on the order of what we have now, or anything approaching the Mora years. But that was the only year they were even close to being considering a good defense. Starting in 2001 they were brutally terrible and continued to be terrible until the end of Haslett's tenure. foreverfan likes this.
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05-20-2014, 02:17 PM	#52
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: AB in Saints HoF Brooks and Carney made it. Boom!!!! foreverfan likes this.
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05-20-2014, 02:49 PM	#53
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: AB in Saints HoF Originally Posted by exile Brooks and Carney made it. Boom!!!! Haters: Put THAT in your pipe and smoke it! Well deserved Aaron Brooks and John Carney! For the Brooks haters: AARON BROOKS (2000-05—6 seasons) • Quarterbacked Saints to first playoff victory in franchise history in 2000 vs. St. Louis • Ranks second in franchise history with 120 passing touchdowns • Ranks third in Saints history with 19,156 passing yards • Had 10 career 300-yard passing games as a Saint, second-most in team history • Set then-franchise record with 441 passing yards vs Denver, Dec. 3, 2000 • Shares team record for pass attempts in a game (60) Aaron Brooks, John Carney elected to Saints Hall of Fame iceshack149, Danno, foreverfan and 2 others like this.

05-20-2014, 02:52 PM	#54
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: AB in Saints HoF I really couldn't be more pleased. It's personal satisfaction no doubt, but I feel fantastic for Aaron Brooks. He took SO MUCH CRAP - undeserved by and large. By all accounts he is a good person too. Smart guy. Took his football money and invested it. I hope he shows up and gets inducted in front of a full dome, and I hope he flips off the crowd too... iceshack149, Danno, foreverfan and 2 others like this.

05-20-2014, 05:57 PM	#55
foreverfan 12,000 BS Posts Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Metairie, LA Posts: 13,457 Blog Entries: 5	Re: AB in Saints HoF I'm looking on the bright side. For a week I get to wear my Aaron Brooks jersey. I wonder if I can still find it. Lol just go on record I think Brooks deserves it. When Mike McCarthy left, our entire team went to crap. Teams easily exploited Brooks inability to pick up the rush and his fate was sealed. Going to Oakland was the worst decision Brooks ever made simply because no quarterback was going to win in Oakland at that time.

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05-20-2014, 06:29 PM	#56
darstep SaintSince67 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: PortCity Posts: 2,044	Re: AB in Saints HoF Congrats Aaron Brooks. He could throw a beautiful spiral. First dude since 67 that could "actually" hit a receiver in stride beyond 30 yards. All down hill after Willie Roaf vacated his blind side. Brooks nearly got his head taken off every week after Roaf. Jumped ship to Oakland and became their sacrificial tackling dummy. Fumbles and bad decisions accounted, Brooks had good success with Black & Gold. Glad to see it.

05-20-2014, 08:46 PM	#57
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05-20-2014, 10:04 PM	#58
iceshack149 1000 Posts + Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Fairbanks, AK Posts: 4,092 Blog Entries: 1	Re: AB in Saints HoF Originally Posted by saintfan I really couldn't be more pleased. It's personal satisfaction no doubt, but I feel fantastic for Aaron Brooks. He took SO MUCH CRAP - undeserved by and large. By all accounts he is a good person too. Smart guy. Took his football money and invested it. I hope he shows up and gets inducted in front of a full dome, and I hope he flips off the crowd too... Gee, I didn't think a thread about Aaron Brooks would catch fire and piss people off. Ten years later and we're still debating this. The Aaron Brooks debate has always divided us. It seems like you either really like the guy or you hated him. Brooks was mobile and threw a nice ball. As saintfan said, the Saints had very little going for them during Brooks tenure. Understand this: we had nothing to be excited about since the Dome Patrol and Brooks played a part in changing that. When you spend your life begging for just a playoff win and Brooks helped to deliver that, you're out of mind not to celebrate the man. I never understood the disdain people had for Aaron Brooks. That said, I would hate to see AB flip everybody off.
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05-20-2014, 10:57 PM	#59
Jack Vegas 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jul 2011 Posts: 2,254	Re: AB in Saints HoF ^ He wouldn't because he is not that kind of a dude. A lot classier than his more famous cousin, that's for sure. Despite everything I never heard him say a bad thing about the fans. If nothing else, I think even his most adamant haters have to admit he was a person of good character. Out of curiosity I pulled out the only game I still have from those years. At Bears in 02 in Champaign. The Saints were a debacle in the first half, muffed a kickoff, fumbled at mid-field, defense couldn't stop anybody. It was sad. But I have to say, Brooks kept his head and kept the team in the game. At this point in his career he looked like a very good NFL QB. Wouldn't be until later all the crap with his elbow and Delhomme happened and his confidence went down the toilet.
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05-21-2014, 10:29 AM	#60
exile Cake or Death? Join Date: Sep 2009 Posts: 3,608	Re: AB in Saints HoF They are still all smiles. Good for them. Former teammates Aaron Brooks, John Carney happy to go into New Orleans Saints Hall of Fame together \| NOLA.com saintfan likes this.
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