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this is a discussion within the NFL Community Forum; Chick fil a is a Christian based company. They prove that by not opening on Sunday. Will they still serve a gay customer? Yes they will. But no where does it say they HAVE TO support "GAY RIGHTS" Same with ...

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Old 02-11-2014, 08:48 AM   #1
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Re: Michael Sam comes out, An openly gay player very likely to be drafted

Chick fil a is a Christian based company. They prove that by not opening on Sunday. Will they still serve a gay customer? Yes they will. But no where does it say they HAVE TO support "GAY RIGHTS"

Same with the Boy Scouts. You have to be accepted into a Boy Scout Troop. You just can't join. They are Christian based as well.

I'm sorry to say this; but we don't have to accept and bend to the will of the minority. I do believe we need to respect the minority but not change everything because 10% of the popu don't "Fit in". Just like going into a resturant in MS and having spanish on the menu. Hispanics to not even come close to 15% of the popu.

I will say this. Gay/Les comunity have had no hardships compaired to the black comunity had to endure. I've yet to see gay drinking fountains, gay restrooms, gay sections in restuants, gays can't vote. gays only work for below federal wages. I'll stop there.

The gay/Les comunity need to get off of their high horse and just be what they are. Productive members of society and stop trying to force feed the rest of the world into there bidding.
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Old 02-11-2014, 09:34 AM   #2
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Chick fil a is a Christian based company. They prove that by not opening on Sunday. Will they still serve a gay customer? Yes they will. But no where does it say they HAVE TO support "GAY RIGHTS"

of course they'll serve a gay customer, they are a business first. And they are free to support all of the anti-gay groups that they choose. The issue is the discrimination of employees, documented with numerous lawsuits, not just by gays, but also by women, African-Americans, and Muslims. You can be "Christian-based". You can't be straight white male based.

Same with the Boy Scouts. You have to be accepted into a Boy Scout Troop. You just can't join. They are Christian based as well.
and like that church in Rome, they should be careful about calling out 'deviants'
Boy Scout sexual abuse files released to public


I'm sorry to say this; but we don't have to accept and bend to the will of the minority. I do believe we need to respect the minority but not change everything because 10% of the popu don't "Fit in". Just like going into a resturant in MS and having spanish on the menu. Hispanics to not even come close to 15% of the popu.

I will say this. Gay/Les comunity have had no hardships compaired to the black comunity had to endure. I've yet to see gay drinking fountains, gay restrooms, gay sections in restuants, gays can't vote. gays only work for below federal wages. I'll stop there. yes, because it is no longer the 1950's.

The gay/Les comunity need to get off of their high horse and just be what they are. Productive members of society and stop trying to force feed the rest of the world into there bidding.
but what they are, is discriminated against, just like the black community you mention
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Old 02-11-2014, 11:32 PM   #3
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but what they are, is discriminated against, just like the black community you mention
Scott, are you certain you know what discrimination is? Let me use an analogy. I know from arguments on the political forum that you are a liberal, and you may remember that I am a conservative. In other words, we disagree with each other's beliefs. Are we discriminating against each other, then?

There are no companies or restaurants who are shutting their doors to gays. They simply do not support the gay rights movement as many of them are christian organizations, as Sapper has pointed out. There is no comparison between that and someone burning down your house because they "don't like your kind". No what I mean?
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Scott, are you certain you know what discrimination is? Let me use an analogy. I know from arguments on the political forum that you are a liberal, and you may remember that I am a conservative. In other words, we disagree with each other's beliefs. Are we discriminating against each other, then?

There are no companies or restaurants who are shutting their doors to gays. They simply do not support the gay rights movement as many of them are christian organizations, as Sapper has pointed out. There is no comparison between that and someone burning down your house because they "don't like your kind". No what I mean?
I never said restaurants were denying service. In fact, I said the exact opposite in regards to customers.

Chick-fil-a is anti-gay. Dan Cathy has publicly stated that. The company has contributed to anti-gay groups. That is documented. But you guys come at me like this is just my opinion, when the company in question has OPENLY STATED IT.

Here is their statement of their policies moving forward, as in, 'we didn't do this before, but...'

Chick-fil-A has "ceased donating to organizations that promote discrimination , specifically against LGBT civil rights." According to the TCRA, Chick-fil-A officials stated in an internal document that they " will treat every person equally, regardless of sexual orientation."

So, they have CEASED supporting groups that discriminate, and now WILL treat everyone equally (future tense)

Yes, I do know what discrimination is, especially when it is documented so clearly.

You patronize the businesses you want, and I'll do the same. I'm thinking that is granted to us somewhere in the constitution.
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You patronize the businesses you want, and I'll do the same. I'm thinking that is granted to us somewhere in the constitution.
That would be the First Amendment, that governs expression and speech. It also encompasses religious beliefs. Which is what Dan Cathy was practicing.

He does seem to be being discriminated against based on his Southern Baptist beliefs.

Interesting how there is support for ones freedom to express being gay but not another freedom to express his religion.

No?

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That would be the First Amendment, that governs expression and speech. It also encompasses religious beliefs. Which is what Dan Cathy was practicing.

He does seem to be being discriminated against based on his Southern Baptist beliefs.

Interesting how there is support for ones freedom to express being gay but not another freedom to express his religion.

No?
That's simple, Dan Cathy has a constitutional right to practice what ever religious beliefs he wants and he is free from government persecution.

He is not free from being judged by the public for those beliefs.

If you don't like the way he feels about homosexuality, then the best way to show it, is to not patronize his business.

The Westboro Baptist Church could open a restaurant chain and make the best hamburgers on the planet and sell them for a dime a piece. I still wouldn't spend a plug nickel there.

And unless you somehow decrease the amount of the product being purchased, "the community" still receives benefit of purchasing said product, it just goes to the competitor now instead of the people being boycotted. So the "community" isn't being hurt overall, just the specific target of the boycott. Competitors of that target reap the rewards and the net change to the "community" is zero. In the example given, BP may not receive my purchase but Chevron will.
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That's simple, Dan Cathy has a constitutional right to practice what ever religious beliefs he wants and he is free from government persecution.



He is not free from being judged by the public for those beliefs.



If you don't like the way he feels about homosexuality, then the best way to show it, is to not patronize his business.



The Westboro Baptist Church could open a restaurant chain and make the best hamburgers on the planet and sell them for a dime a piece. I still wouldn't spend a plug nickel there.



And unless you somehow decrease the amount of the product being purchased, "the community" still receives benefit of purchasing said product, it just goes to the competitor now instead of the people being boycotted. So the "community" isn't being hurt overall, just the specific target of the boycott. Competitors of that target reap the rewards and the net change to the "community" is zero. In the example given, BP may not receive my purchase but Chevron will.

Put what ever spin or logo you want on it. At the end of the day a
Franchise owner that spent 1-2m on a store and paid a franchise fee is being hurt for something he had nothing to do with.

Punishment of the innocent.....
Persecution of the innocent.....
Isn't that what some hypocrites are supposedly against?


Oh BTW if it doesn't matter what brand is bought because something is being bought; then it doesn't matter what sexual orientation is on the field because the game will be played anyway.

Try again.
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