NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem

saintfan · 08-13-2018, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Read on. I’ve met you time and time again as well, even down to the overusage and misusage of the words racism and racists. If you’re trying to convince somebody of something, convince yourself.

I will read on. I enjoy reading about the 60s. It was, to use a word, colorful. I'd share my reading list but I doubt you'd be interested. Let me know if you are and I'll PM ya.

As for misusing racism, there are varying, valid definitions. I know you are well versed. My guess is there's one you use and you likely discount the others. You must, otherwise you'd see you are as guilty as those you charge. Maybe even more.

rezburna · 08-13-2018, 08:23 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I will read on. I enjoy reading about the 60s. It was, to use a word, colorful. I'd share my reading list but I doubt you'd be interested. Let me know if you are and I'll PM ya.

As for misusing racism, there are varying, valid definitions. I know you are well versed. My guess is there's one you use and you likely discount the others. You must, otherwise you'd see you are as guilty as those you charge. Maybe even more.

Send ‘em through. I’ll read ‘em if I haven’t already.

saintfan · 08-13-2018, 08:30 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Send ‘em through. I’ll read ‘em if I haven’t already.

Will do, but give me a couple days. I'm moving. When I do, respond in kind. I'd love to know what you're reading.

rezburna · 08-13-2018, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

Will do, but give me a couple days. I'm moving. When I do, respond in kind. I'd love to know what you're reading.

Right now I’m reading The Iceman Inheritance and Black Reconstruction, but I’ll send you a list.

saintfan · 08-13-2018, 08:43 PM

I just finished "The 60s Unplugged". It's a bit of a global look. "There's a Riot Going On" is a personal favorite, but it has a 'music' lean. I'll unbox in a couple days and send over some more. "The Chitlin' Circuit And The Road To Rock And Roll" is another I just finished, and you might like, but it's not exactly the 60s. More to come.

rezburna · 08-13-2018, 08:51 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

I just finished "The 60s Unplugged". It's a bit of a global look. "There's a Riot Going On" is a personal favorite, but it has a 'music' lean. I'll unbox in a couple days and send over some more. "The Chitlin' Circuit And The Road To Rock And Roll" is another I just finished, and you might like, but it's not exactly the 60s. More to come.

I’ll start with Riot Going On. Music is one of my things.

saintfan · 08-13-2018, 09:01 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’ll start with Riot Going On. Music is one of my things.

It's a take only the enthusiasts will read to the end. Lots of obscure names and stuff nobody has ever heard of. I guarantee you'll appreciate it.

Beastmode · 08-13-2018, 09:11 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’ll start with Riot Going On. Music is one of my things.

What are your thoughts on fixing black on black violence in inner cities which far out weigh white police abuse and also black police abuse?

Is there a solution? It does not seem like anyone cares much about it. Assuming you will direct it towards white people causing it but most of their elected officials in those districts are black, have been for decades but they can't seem to get it under control.

lee909 · 08-13-2018, 09:44 PM

Originally Posted by saintfan

You speak of the Civil Rights movement as if you lived it. You did not. You, like me, are forced to rely on opinions, yet you are selective in your review. I have and continue to read all sides.

Im only reading bits of most of these posts. As i am sick to death of the way the worlds going to hell in a handbasket at the moment.

So i may be off here

What other side is there to the civil rights movement worth listening to other the Black people of that era?.

Surely there is only one side to the argument of this,one perspective that matters. It was wrong and a terrible era of history.

Im not calling you out on anything here,just trying to get a grasp on the issues from a long way away. Especially as the same issues seem to be getting a hold over here.

To many signs similar to the late 20s (financial crisis) into the 30s (facist/rise of the extreme left and right) going on to not take notice. (WW2 and its causes being very high on my lists of interests)

I don't believe for a second every white guy liked it or even overly benefitted from it. Though they did have a leg up over non whites.

I do believe that this issue is partly to do with how recent the civil rights is. It will always take time for things to be sorted out and many of the race issue are so deep seated over hundreds of years it will take far longer than 50 odd years to sort out.

lee909 · 08-13-2018, 09:52 PM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

What are your thoughts on fixing black on black violence in inner cities which far out weigh white police abuse and also black police abuse?

Is there a solution? It does not seem like anyone cares much about it. Assuming you will direct it towards white people causing it but most of their elected officials in those districts are black, have been for decades but they can't seem to get it under control.

Without living there it looks from the outside like a serios issue of little options and urban overcrowding leading to people having to do wrong to get by in the older days. Once that sets in i think its hard to escape from as it passes generation to generation. You look at any major city that suffered from poor prospects and people need to feed families and will do what they need to. This often starts leading to the neighbourhood turning bad,absent parents,or parents hooked on various vices. Its a nasty slippry slope that takes hold and once it has a grip seems hard to escape.

I know from family members who lived in Belfast during tbe Troubles that you had no choice but to side with 'your people',you didn't talk to the police,you kept what you saw to yourself and you hid things if asked'. That gripped Ireland for 30 years and its only slowly recovering in most areas. Now put that on a scale of what 80-100 years with added oppression,no civil rights,racist attitudes still present (even if they are dying out (imo) then its a expensive hole to fill in and get people not just on their feet but with a future that they can see and options infront of them. The ability to get a education and to plan a life would help

08-13-2018, 08:22 PM	#121
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by rezburna Read on. I’ve met you time and time again as well, even down to the overusage and misusage of the words racism and racists. If you’re trying to convince somebody of something, convince yourself. I will read on. I enjoy reading about the 60s. It was, to use a word, colorful. I'd share my reading list but I doubt you'd be interested. Let me know if you are and I'll PM ya. As for misusing racism, there are varying, valid definitions. I know you are well versed. My guess is there's one you use and you likely discount the others. You must, otherwise you'd see you are as guilty as those you charge. Maybe even more.

08-13-2018, 08:23 PM	#122
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by saintfan I will read on. I enjoy reading about the 60s. It was, to use a word, colorful. I'd share my reading list but I doubt you'd be interested. Let me know if you are and I'll PM ya. As for misusing racism, there are varying, valid definitions. I know you are well versed. My guess is there's one you use and you likely discount the others. You must, otherwise you'd see you are as guilty as those you charge. Maybe even more. Send ‘em through. I’ll read ‘em if I haven’t already.

08-13-2018, 08:30 PM	#123
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by rezburna Send ‘em through. I’ll read ‘em if I haven’t already. Will do, but give me a couple days. I'm moving. When I do, respond in kind. I'd love to know what you're reading.

08-13-2018, 08:31 PM	#124
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by saintfan Will do, but give me a couple days. I'm moving. When I do, respond in kind. I'd love to know what you're reading. Right now I’m reading The Iceman Inheritance and Black Reconstruction, but I’ll send you a list.

08-13-2018, 08:43 PM	#125
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem I just finished "The 60s Unplugged". It's a bit of a global look. "There's a Riot Going On" is a personal favorite, but it has a 'music' lean. I'll unbox in a couple days and send over some more. "The Chitlin' Circuit And The Road To Rock And Roll" is another I just finished, and you might like, but it's not exactly the 60s. More to come. rezburna likes this.

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08-13-2018, 08:51 PM	#126
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,903	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by saintfan I just finished "The 60s Unplugged". It's a bit of a global look. "There's a Riot Going On" is a personal favorite, but it has a 'music' lean. I'll unbox in a couple days and send over some more. "The Chitlin' Circuit And The Road To Rock And Roll" is another I just finished, and you might like, but it's not exactly the 60s. More to come. I’ll start with Riot Going On. Music is one of my things.

08-13-2018, 09:01 PM	#127
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by rezburna I’ll start with Riot Going On. Music is one of my things. It's a take only the enthusiasts will read to the end. Lots of obscure names and stuff nobody has ever heard of. I guarantee you'll appreciate it. rezburna likes this.

08-13-2018, 09:11 PM	#128
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by rezburna I’ll start with Riot Going On. Music is one of my things. What are your thoughts on fixing black on black violence in inner cities which far out weigh white police abuse and also black police abuse? Is there a solution? It does not seem like anyone cares much about it. Assuming you will direct it towards white people causing it but most of their elected officials in those districts are black, have been for decades but they can't seem to get it under control.
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08-13-2018, 09:44 PM	#129
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by saintfan You speak of the Civil Rights movement as if you lived it. You did not. You, like me, are forced to rely on opinions, yet you are selective in your review. I have and continue to read all sides. Im only reading bits of most of these posts. As i am sick to death of the way the worlds going to hell in a handbasket at the moment. So i may be off here What other side is there to the civil rights movement worth listening to other the Black people of that era?. Surely there is only one side to the argument of this,one perspective that matters. It was wrong and a terrible era of history. Im not calling you out on anything here,just trying to get a grasp on the issues from a long way away. Especially as the same issues seem to be getting a hold over here. To many signs similar to the late 20s (financial crisis) into the 30s (facist/rise of the extreme left and right) going on to not take notice. (WW2 and its causes being very high on my lists of interests) I don't believe for a second every white guy liked it or even overly benefitted from it. Though they did have a leg up over non whites. I do believe that this issue is partly to do with how recent the civil rights is. It will always take time for things to be sorted out and many of the race issue are so deep seated over hundreds of years it will take far longer than 50 odd years to sort out. Crusader likes this.
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08-13-2018, 09:52 PM	#130
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,803 Blog Entries: 1	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by Beastmode What are your thoughts on fixing black on black violence in inner cities which far out weigh white police abuse and also black police abuse? Is there a solution? It does not seem like anyone cares much about it. Assuming you will direct it towards white people causing it but most of their elected officials in those districts are black, have been for decades but they can't seem to get it under control. Without living there it looks from the outside like a serios issue of little options and urban overcrowding leading to people having to do wrong to get by in the older days. Once that sets in i think its hard to escape from as it passes generation to generation. You look at any major city that suffered from poor prospects and people need to feed families and will do what they need to. This often starts leading to the neighbourhood turning bad,absent parents,or parents hooked on various vices. Its a nasty slippry slope that takes hold and once it has a grip seems hard to escape. I know from family members who lived in Belfast during tbe Troubles that you had no choice but to side with 'your people',you didn't talk to the police,you kept what you saw to yourself and you hid things if asked'. That gripped Ireland for 30 years and its only slowly recovering in most areas. Now put that on a scale of what 80-100 years with added oppression,no civil rights,racist attitudes still present (even if they are dying out (imo) then its a expensive hole to fill in and get people not just on their feet but with a future that they can see and options infront of them. The ability to get a education and to plan a life would help Crusader, AsylumGuido and rezburna like this.
	"Two receivers to the left, Garcon to the right. Manning in the shotgun, puts Collie in motion. Looks in his direction...it's picked off! It's picked off! It's Tracy Porter again! He's runnin' free! He's gonna go all the way!