NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem

Beastmode · 08-12-2018, 11:49 PM

The grind down of the NFL will be slow. -2% here, -4% there. There is no way to fix their problems other than play in robot iron man suits.

saintfan · 08-13-2018, 06:49 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

All TV numbers are down across the board. The NFL’s drop is substantially less than anybody else’s. Sunday Night Football was still the highest rated TV show last year, and Monday Night Football only dropped 3%. A significant portion of White Americans don’t like the protest, but they also don’t seem to like any form of protest that isn’t driven by Conservatism. We can go back and watch videos from the 1960’s or read the Gallup polls and plenty of them said Blacks had equal opportunity during the Jim Crow era and that the Civil Rights Marches were silly and unwarranted. One of the comments said that “people know history”. Obviously not. I’m trying to figure why y’all haven’t abandoned the message boards and just stopped watching. It’s easy. Counter protest.

"Ya'll"? Seriously? Anyway...

If you're trying to attribute the NFL numbers being down roughly 9% to other media, knock yourself out. The NFL isn't readily available on other media.

This isn't about race. It has never been about race.

It sounds like you're arguing that the protesting isn't hurting the NFL numbers. It also sounds like you're trying to compare us white folk and "our" dislike for the players protesting the Anthem to Civil Rights Marches...and the Jim Crow era?

Those will be the two silliest things I will read all day.

rezburna · 08-13-2018, 07:14 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

"Ya'll"? Seriously? Anyway...

If you're trying to attribute the NFL numbers being down roughly 9% to other media, knock yourself out. The NFL isn't readily available on other media.

This isn't about race. It has never been about race.

It sounds like you're arguing that the protesting isn't hurting the NFL numbers. It also sounds like you're trying to compare us white folk and "our" dislike for the players protesting the Anthem to Civil Rights Marches...and the Jim Crow era?

Those will be the two silliest things I will read all day.

Yeah. Y’all. Seriously.

I don’t care what you do or don’t like. You won’t stop it just like your ancestors didn’t stop the Civil Rights Marches when they were whining about that. So no, I’m not “trying” to do anything. I’m making a direct comparison in the dismissive nature shown throughout history when Black people air out their grievances. It’s about race, and it’s always been about race, considering the protests were sparked by Black men being killed by the police and a call for reform in the justice system.

You should be thankful for a Kap, Cam Jordan, and Malcolm Jenkins. At least they’re still interested in talking it out. I suggest you find common ground and figure it out with people willing to rationalize with you. I’m not one of those people. I don’t agree with the protests, because I don’t believe in asking your oppressor to stop oppressing you. I just find most y’alls reasons for being against them disingenuous, and I speak to that. Y’all can debate amongst yourselves about “who the real oppressor is”, but you’ll only be convincing yourselves.

“If you beg a man for victory and he gives it to you it’s his, not yours.” - Stokely Carmichael

Beastmode · 08-13-2018, 09:27 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Yeah. Y’all. Seriously.

I don’t care what you do or don’t like. You won’t stop it just like your ancestors didn’t stop the Civil Rights Marches when they were whining about that. So no, I’m not “trying” to do anything. I’m making a direct comparison in the dismissive nature shown throughout history when Black people air out their grievances. It’s about race, and it’s always been about race, considering the protests were sparked by Black men being killed by the police and a call for reform in the justice system.

You should be thankful for a Kap, Cam Jordan, and Malcolm Jenkins. At least they’re still interested in talking it out. I suggest you find common ground and figure it out with people willing to rationalize with you. I’m not one of those people. I don’t agree with the protests, because I don’t believe in asking your oppressor to stop oppressing you. I just find most y’alls reasons for being against them disingenuous, and I speak to that. Y’all can debate amongst yourselves about “who the real oppressor is”, but you’ll only be convincing yourselves.

“If you beg a man for victory and he gives it to you it’s his, not yours.” - Stokely Carmichael

I would love the protest if they also focused on inter city violence. Sickening what happens in black communities and it has been going on for a long time. That is the real injustice. I would be protesting to get rid of Rahm Emanuel and bring in some real leadership.

saintfan · 08-13-2018, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Yeah. Y’all. Seriously.

I don’t care what you do or don’t like. You won’t stop it just like your ancestors didn’t stop the Civil Rights Marches when they were whining about that. So no, I’m not “trying” to do anything. I’m making a direct comparison in the dismissive nature shown throughout history when Black people air out their grievances. It’s about race, and it’s always been about race, considering the protests were sparked by Black men being killed by the police and a call for reform in the justice system.

You should be thankful for a Kap, Cam Jordan, and Malcolm Jenkins. At least they’re still interested in talking it out. I suggest you find common ground and figure it out with people willing to rationalize with you. I’m not one of those people. I don’t agree with the protests, because I don’t believe in asking your oppressor to stop oppressing you. I just find most y’alls reasons for being against them disingenuous, and I speak to that. Y’all can debate amongst yourselves about “who the real oppressor is”, but you’ll only be convincing yourselves.

“If you beg a man for victory and he gives it to you it’s his, not yours.” - Stokely Carmichael

My ancestors weren’t trying to prevent that which you accuse. Your issues are staring back at you in the mirror. But keep blaming white people. That makes it easy.

I love it when you quote 60s icons. The land grab isn’t going to happen here.

rezburna · 08-13-2018, 10:22 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

My ancestors weren’t trying to prevent that which you accuse. Your issues are staring back at you in the mirror. But keep blaming white people. That makes it easy.

I love it when you quote 60s icons. The land grab isn’t going to happen here.

Tell your grandfather I said hello. And my respects to your grandmother.

We’ll see. ��*♂️

rezburna · 08-13-2018, 10:26 AM

Originally Posted by Beastmode

I would love the protest if they also focused on inter city violence. Sickening what happens in black communities and it has been going on for a long time. That is the real injustice. I would be protesting to get rid of Rahm Emanuel and bring in some real leadership.

People protest inner city violence all the time. There are copious efforts to curve the violence. I’m not sure why you highlighted Chicago though. Because it’s in the news the most? They aren’t the murder capital of the United States. St. Louis is. I’m not sure if you’ve actually delved into why violence exploded on the south side, but you should. I’m not banging the drum for Rahm Emanuel either. Again, the bipartisan debate isn’t something I partake in. I want Farrakhan to run Chicago.

I mean, I guess it’s fine to equate civilian on civilian homicide to public servant on civilian homicide in some circles. Like I said, just be happy they’re protesting about it. It definitely wouldn’t be my approach.

frydaddy · 08-13-2018, 10:43 AM

Originally Posted by saintfan

My ancestors weren’t trying to prevent that which you accuse. Your issues are staring back at you in the mirror. But keep blaming white people. That makes it easy.

I love it when you quote 60s icons. The land grab isn’t going to happen here.

You're arguing with a guy who is himself a closet racist. No amount of logic or reasoning you attempt is gonna get through. My ancestors were dirt poor german immigrants, but as far as he's concerned we're all descendants of slave owners and we're all somehow guilty of the sins committed by people who are all long dead now. *shrug*

rezburna · 08-13-2018, 10:48 AM

Originally Posted by frydaddy

You're arguing with a guy who is himself a closet racist. No amount of logic or reasoning you attempt is gonna get through. My ancestors were dirt poor german immigrants, but as far as he's concerned we're all descendants of slave owners and we're all somehow guilty of the sins committed by people who are all long dead now. *shrug*

You don’t know what racism is.

Papa Voodoo · 08-13-2018, 10:50 AM

I opted not to attend the Air Force academy when I got nominated. My friends that did decide to serve feel strongly against the fans, not the players. Their words to me were that this is the whole reason they went and it was never about a flag or the anthem; it was about the people and their rights to be free.

08-12-2018, 11:49 PM	#21
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem The grind down of the NFL will be slow. -2% here, -4% there. There is no way to fix their problems other than play in robot iron man suits.
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08-13-2018, 06:49 AM	#22
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by rezburna All TV numbers are down across the board. The NFL’s drop is substantially less than anybody else’s. Sunday Night Football was still the highest rated TV show last year, and Monday Night Football only dropped 3%. A significant portion of White Americans don’t like the protest, but they also don’t seem to like any form of protest that isn’t driven by Conservatism. We can go back and watch videos from the 1960’s or read the Gallup polls and plenty of them said Blacks had equal opportunity during the Jim Crow era and that the Civil Rights Marches were silly and unwarranted. One of the comments said that “people know history”. Obviously not. I’m trying to figure why y’all haven’t abandoned the message boards and just stopped watching. It’s easy. Counter protest. "Ya'll"? Seriously? Anyway... If you're trying to attribute the NFL numbers being down roughly 9% to other media, knock yourself out. The NFL isn't readily available on other media. This isn't about race. It has never been about race. It sounds like you're arguing that the protesting isn't hurting the NFL numbers. It also sounds like you're trying to compare us white folk and "our" dislike for the players protesting the Anthem to Civil Rights Marches...and the Jim Crow era? Those will be the two silliest things I will read all day. iceshack149 likes this.
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08-13-2018, 07:14 AM	#23
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,650	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by saintfan "Ya'll"? Seriously? Anyway... If you're trying to attribute the NFL numbers being down roughly 9% to other media, knock yourself out. The NFL isn't readily available on other media. This isn't about race. It has never been about race. It sounds like you're arguing that the protesting isn't hurting the NFL numbers. It also sounds like you're trying to compare us white folk and "our" dislike for the players protesting the Anthem to Civil Rights Marches...and the Jim Crow era? Those will be the two silliest things I will read all day. Yeah. Y’all. Seriously. I don’t care what you do or don’t like. You won’t stop it just like your ancestors didn’t stop the Civil Rights Marches when they were whining about that. So no, I’m not “trying” to do anything. I’m making a direct comparison in the dismissive nature shown throughout history when Black people air out their grievances. It’s about race, and it’s always been about race, considering the protests were sparked by Black men being killed by the police and a call for reform in the justice system. You should be thankful for a Kap, Cam Jordan, and Malcolm Jenkins. At least they’re still interested in talking it out. I suggest you find common ground and figure it out with people willing to rationalize with you. I’m not one of those people. I don’t agree with the protests, because I don’t believe in asking your oppressor to stop oppressing you. I just find most y’alls reasons for being against them disingenuous, and I speak to that. Y’all can debate amongst yourselves about “who the real oppressor is”, but you’ll only be convincing yourselves. “If you beg a man for victory and he gives it to you it’s his, not yours.” - Stokely Carmichael
	"The first need of a free people is to define their own terms.” - Stokely Carmichael

08-13-2018, 09:27 AM	#24
Beastmode 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Jul 2010 Posts: 9,126	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by rezburna Yeah. Y’all. Seriously. I don’t care what you do or don’t like. You won’t stop it just like your ancestors didn’t stop the Civil Rights Marches when they were whining about that. So no, I’m not “trying” to do anything. I’m making a direct comparison in the dismissive nature shown throughout history when Black people air out their grievances. It’s about race, and it’s always been about race, considering the protests were sparked by Black men being killed by the police and a call for reform in the justice system. You should be thankful for a Kap, Cam Jordan, and Malcolm Jenkins. At least they’re still interested in talking it out. I suggest you find common ground and figure it out with people willing to rationalize with you. I’m not one of those people. I don’t agree with the protests, because I don’t believe in asking your oppressor to stop oppressing you. I just find most y’alls reasons for being against them disingenuous, and I speak to that. Y’all can debate amongst yourselves about “who the real oppressor is”, but you’ll only be convincing yourselves. “If you beg a man for victory and he gives it to you it’s his, not yours.” - Stokely Carmichael I would love the protest if they also focused on inter city violence. Sickening what happens in black communities and it has been going on for a long time. That is the real injustice. I would be protesting to get rid of Rahm Emanuel and bring in some real leadership.
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08-13-2018, 09:57 AM	#25
saintfan Donated Plasma Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: San Francisco, CA Posts: 18,556 Blog Entries: 5	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by rezburna Yeah. Y’all. Seriously. I don’t care what you do or don’t like. You won’t stop it just like your ancestors didn’t stop the Civil Rights Marches when they were whining about that. So no, I’m not “trying” to do anything. I’m making a direct comparison in the dismissive nature shown throughout history when Black people air out their grievances. It’s about race, and it’s always been about race, considering the protests were sparked by Black men being killed by the police and a call for reform in the justice system. You should be thankful for a Kap, Cam Jordan, and Malcolm Jenkins. At least they’re still interested in talking it out. I suggest you find common ground and figure it out with people willing to rationalize with you. I’m not one of those people. I don’t agree with the protests, because I don’t believe in asking your oppressor to stop oppressing you. I just find most y’alls reasons for being against them disingenuous, and I speak to that. Y’all can debate amongst yourselves about “who the real oppressor is”, but you’ll only be convincing yourselves. “If you beg a man for victory and he gives it to you it’s his, not yours.” - Stokely Carmichael My ancestors weren’t trying to prevent that which you accuse. Your issues are staring back at you in the mirror. But keep blaming white people. That makes it easy. I love it when you quote 60s icons. The land grab isn’t going to happen here. iceshack149 likes this.

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08-13-2018, 10:22 AM	#26
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,650	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by saintfan My ancestors weren’t trying to prevent that which you accuse. Your issues are staring back at you in the mirror. But keep blaming white people. That makes it easy. I love it when you quote 60s icons. The land grab isn’t going to happen here. Tell your grandfather I said hello. And my respects to your grandmother. We’ll see. ��*♂️

08-13-2018, 10:26 AM	#27
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,650	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by Beastmode I would love the protest if they also focused on inter city violence. Sickening what happens in black communities and it has been going on for a long time. That is the real injustice. I would be protesting to get rid of Rahm Emanuel and bring in some real leadership. People protest inner city violence all the time. There are copious efforts to curve the violence. I’m not sure why you highlighted Chicago though. Because it’s in the news the most? They aren’t the murder capital of the United States. St. Louis is. I’m not sure if you’ve actually delved into why violence exploded on the south side, but you should. I’m not banging the drum for Rahm Emanuel either. Again, the bipartisan debate isn’t something I partake in. I want Farrakhan to run Chicago. I mean, I guess it’s fine to equate civilian on civilian homicide to public servant on civilian homicide in some circles. Like I said, just be happy they’re protesting about it. It definitely wouldn’t be my approach.
	"The first need of a free people is to define their own terms.” - Stokely Carmichael

08-13-2018, 10:43 AM	#28
frydaddy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Lafayette Posts: 1,947 Blog Entries: 1	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by saintfan My ancestors weren’t trying to prevent that which you accuse. Your issues are staring back at you in the mirror. But keep blaming white people. That makes it easy. I love it when you quote 60s icons. The land grab isn’t going to happen here. You're arguing with a guy who is himself a closet racist. No amount of logic or reasoning you attempt is gonna get through. My ancestors were dirt poor german immigrants, but as far as he's concerned we're all descendants of slave owners and we're all somehow guilty of the sins committed by people who are all long dead now. shrug

08-13-2018, 10:48 AM	#29
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,650	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem Originally Posted by frydaddy You're arguing with a guy who is himself a closet racist. No amount of logic or reasoning you attempt is gonna get through. My ancestors were dirt poor german immigrants, but as far as he's concerned we're all descendants of slave owners and we're all somehow guilty of the sins committed by people who are all long dead now. shrug You don’t know what racism is.

08-13-2018, 10:50 AM	#30
Papa Voodoo 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,628	Re: NFL preseason sees kneeling, raised fists, during national anthem I opted not to attend the Air Force academy when I got nominated. My friends that did decide to serve feel strongly against the fans, not the players. Their words to me were that this is the whole reason they went and it was never about a flag or the anthem; it was about the people and their rights to be free.