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NFL players continued to protest during the national anthem on Thursday night as the league began the first full week of its 2018 preseason.

Some players held their fists in the air, while others decided to kneel, despite the controversy surrounding the action.

Wide receivers Kenny Stills and Albert Wilson, both of the Miami Dolphins, knelt during "The Star-Spangled Banner," ahead of their game against the Tampa Bay Buccaneers, the Miami Herald reported.

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And I see cam Jordan has taken to twitter to pick a fight with Trump.

The NFL is going to go the way of the Dixie Chicks if this doesn't stop...


Why does the protest have to be during the national anthem???

Kneel during the coin toss. Go to the 50 before/during/after halftime and kneel, raise your fists, or pull your pants down around your ankles. Lay flat on your backs during the 2 minute timeout. Or refuse to leave the field after the game until you've had a full fledged protest march.

AGAIN WHY DOES YOUR PROTEST HAVE TO TAKE PLACE DURING THE ANTHEM.???


I know I'm small potatoes in the NFL budget but I will not buy merchandise, Sunday Ticket and will not attend any more live games while this continues. And I'm sure I'm not alone...

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Screw Cam Jordan. I hope we suspend his ass... without pay.

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SIMPLY BECAUSE OTHERWISE NOONE WOULD NOTICE.!!!

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I'm becoming more and more anti-NFL as more of these stories surface.

I'm even becoming less enthusiastic about my Saints. Thanks Cam.

I'm just not a huge fan anymore.

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Kenny Stills:
https://www.google.com/amp/amp.miami...192552529.html

Malcolm Jenkins:
https://www.prnewswire.com/news-rele...300649413.html

Cam Jordan:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.can...ear-drew-brees

You can find articles on the work most of these guys do with one Google search. Asking what these guys do in the off-season is willful ignorance. They shouldn’t even be the ones having to take on these challenges. Government officials should be making sure all Americans have equal opportunity and that there aren’t racial biases in any forms of society. Most people ignore the reason for the protests and racism in general, so just treat the protests the same way and ignore it. It’s annoying at this point. Why even continue to post about it in the forum and give it attention if you don’t care or are going to come up with ways to sidestep the conversation? If Cam Jordan would have taken to Twitter in 2015 to pick a fight with Obama that wouldn’t be a problem at all.

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False. We live in a world completely driven by tv and social media. They could get noticed any number of ways. They are getting noticed now, you're right about that, but the response has been overwhelmingly negative. They're actually hurting their already misguided cause. At this point I have completely written off anything these guys do to bring "awareness" to their "cause." Its a hollow sham of a cause to begin with, filled with half truths that are further distorted to fit an agenda. When it comes down to it, the biggest thing holding anyone down is themselves and how they choose to live their lives. And the biggest outside factor holding black folks down today is the democratic party and their own so called black leadership. Who, for decades now have been filling the minds of black people with the idea that you can't get by based on your merit. You need a hand out, you need special treatment because you're not equal. F*** that dude, we're not living in civil war era America, nor in a segregated America. That s**t is in the past, just leave it there and let it die. But the democratic party and the black leadership refuses to simply let the wounds heal and the scars fade. They've been picking the scab off for years and applying new salt to the wound. They've kept black people under their thumbs as a political tool for all these years. They don't care about you, they don't have your best interest at heart, they ARE your modern oppressors. You had a half black Democrat president for 8 years, wtf did he do for black people? F***in nothing. I'm not trying to say the Republican party is perfect or anything. Indeed, the older I get the more I realize that our entire political system is corrupt and rotting from the inside out. But it's not the Republican party, or the cops, or white people in general who are trying to keep black folks down anymore. That ended decades ago, as it should have. Your precious left and your so called leaders have taken up the cause, and you're blind to it. I hope and I pray that one day black peoples eyes will be opened to who their oppressors actually are. Until then I will continue to ignore these protests as the misdirected and misguided garbage they are.

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Doesn't even matter big picture. Ratings dropped almost 10% last year. They will continue to drop. Some of it is because of this but younger generation does not care for football. Looking at fantasy sites and people are begging people to join their leagues. Fantasy brought back some of the youth fans but even that is receding.

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So it's not your Daddies Football no longer.

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The NFL has made a series of critical errors. The anthem protest spiraling out of control is certainly one of them.

Kaepernick wore the pig socks before he starting sitting and then kneeling.

The dumbass wore a Che Guevara shirt in MIAMI.

It is the same as wearing a Hitler shirt to a synagogue.

Everyone knows it never was a respectful protest.

That genie can't be put back in the bottle.

The roots of this protest are garbage. A lot of players are trying to make the claim that it is actually a respectful protest but no one is going to forget Kaepernick's ORIGINAL intent.

Cops are Pigs. Murdering Communist Thug T-shirts at press conferences in a town full of the relatives of those murdered by the thug make him fully "woke" and a hero to certain people.

People know history. Older football fans remember when and why police are called pigs. It all started during the Vietnam protests. Returning veterans were spat upon walking off the airplanes.

Kaepernick tapped straight into all that old animosity and reminded people of the riots, violence and bloodshed that divided us.

And we see the same thing brewing up again.

Football went from a unifying force to divisive in a few short years because it allowed itself to pick a side. This will be seen as Goodell's biggest failure.

NFL players are fools to latch on to this.

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The protest are an issue but it's one of many. Rome fell for a lot of things. It wasn't just one issue. There are half a dozen issues right now with the NFL. None of which can be fixed. The protesting is not even in the top tier of issues. Paid TV is declining. Down 5% since 2014. That is a lot of people and it's getting worse every quarter. Safety, no way to fix it. It's dangerous and parents want nothing to do with it. The sport is dying.

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The fans are drying up with or without kneeling. Kids today don't care about football. Parents certainly don't care. The decline will continue for a couple more decades until the sport is eventually deemed cruel and sickening. I don't think fans today really get it. In order to keep it going it takes new fans. They are not there.

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Participation in all youth sports are on the decline.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.was...ified-coaches/

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Ratings WILL drop.

I used to watch ANYTHING NFL. NFL Network was the default background noise in my house. Now I don't even tune in.

Last night I was trying desperately to try to find something to watch - no kids or wife so I had full control of the remote. Vikings Broncos on - PASS


I'm a 16+ NFL fan now - I watch the 16 Saints regular season games + any playoff games (while holding my nose at our protesting Saints) and no other games.

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NFL made $14 billion last year. Let’s wait and see how much of a drop off in revenue there is first, because everybody down here on the Gulf Coast of Mississippi is buzzing about the return of football and just ignoring the protests in the same ways they ignore discrimination.

Even with things shifting away from traditional television, YouTube is worth well over $100 billion. The NFL could easily partner up with them and other streaming platforms and provide their content direct to consumer. This also would aid in globalizing the sport. People can stream games live on their phones. Plus, sports betting just got legalized in Mississippi. Other states will follow suit.

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Americans don't like the Anthem protests. Period. It hasn't got one single thing to do with race, no matter the stammering and stomping of those who insist it does.

Nothing.

The first Amendment protects the right to protest, but it does not do so while on the Job.

The NFL numbers are down. No way to argue that. The numbers don't lie. They will drop again this year. Bet the farm on it.

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All TV numbers are down across the board. The NFL’s drop is substantially less than anybody else’s. Sunday Night Football was still the highest rated TV show last year, and Monday Night Football only dropped 3%. A significant portion of White Americans don’t like the protest, but they also don’t seem to like any form of protest that isn’t driven by Conservatism. We can go back and watch videos from the 1960’s or read the Gallup polls and plenty of them said Blacks had equal opportunity during the Jim Crow era and that the Civil Rights Marches were silly and unwarranted. One of the comments said that “people know history”. Obviously not. I’m trying to figure why y’all haven’t abandoned the message boards and just stopped watching. It’s easy. Counter protest.

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The grind down of the NFL will be slow. -2% here, -4% there. There is no way to fix their problems other than play in robot iron man suits.

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"Ya'll"? Seriously? Anyway...

If you're trying to attribute the NFL numbers being down roughly 9% to other media, knock yourself out. The NFL isn't readily available on other media.

This isn't about race. It has never been about race.

It sounds like you're arguing that the protesting isn't hurting the NFL numbers. It also sounds like you're trying to compare us white folk and "our" dislike for the players protesting the Anthem to Civil Rights Marches...and the Jim Crow era?

Those will be the two silliest things I will read all day.

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Yeah. Y’all. Seriously.

I don’t care what you do or don’t like. You won’t stop it just like your ancestors didn’t stop the Civil Rights Marches when they were whining about that. So no, I’m not “trying” to do anything. I’m making a direct comparison in the dismissive nature shown throughout history when Black people air out their grievances. It’s about race, and it’s always been about race, considering the protests were sparked by Black men being killed by the police and a call for reform in the justice system.

You should be thankful for a Kap, Cam Jordan, and Malcolm Jenkins. At least they’re still interested in talking it out. I suggest you find common ground and figure it out with people willing to rationalize with you. I’m not one of those people. I don’t agree with the protests, because I don’t believe in asking your oppressor to stop oppressing you. I just find most y’alls reasons for being against them disingenuous, and I speak to that. Y’all can debate amongst yourselves about “who the real oppressor is”, but you’ll only be convincing yourselves.

“If you beg a man for victory and he gives it to you it’s his, not yours.” - Stokely Carmichael

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I would love the protest if they also focused on inter city violence. Sickening what happens in black communities and it has been going on for a long time. That is the real injustice. I would be protesting to get rid of Rahm Emanuel and bring in some real leadership.

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My ancestors weren’t trying to prevent that which you accuse. Your issues are staring back at you in the mirror. But keep blaming white people. That makes it easy.

I love it when you quote 60s icons. The land grab isn’t going to happen here.

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Tell your grandfather I said hello. And my respects to your grandmother.

We’ll see. ����*♂️

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People protest inner city violence all the time. There are copious efforts to curve the violence. I’m not sure why you highlighted Chicago though. Because it’s in the news the most? They aren’t the murder capital of the United States. St. Louis is. I’m not sure if you’ve actually delved into why violence exploded on the south side, but you should. I’m not banging the drum for Rahm Emanuel either. Again, the bipartisan debate isn’t something I partake in. I want Farrakhan to run Chicago.

I mean, I guess it’s fine to equate civilian on civilian homicide to public servant on civilian homicide in some circles. Like I said, just be happy they’re protesting about it. It definitely wouldn’t be my approach.

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You're arguing with a guy who is himself a closet racist. No amount of logic or reasoning you attempt is gonna get through. My ancestors were dirt poor german immigrants, but as far as he's concerned we're all descendants of slave owners and we're all somehow guilty of the sins committed by people who are all long dead now. *shrug*

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You don’t know what racism is.

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I opted not to attend the Air Force academy when I got nominated. My friends that did decide to serve feel strongly against the fans, not the players. Their words to me were that this is the whole reason they went and it was never about a flag or the anthem; it was about the people and their rights to be free.

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I usually sit during the anthem. Not in protest, just comfort. Why are the concession stands open during the anthem if this is such a big deal?

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You're arguing with a group of people who themselves are closet racists. No amount of logic or reasoning you attempt is going to get through. My ancestors were slaves and endured the Jim Crow South, but as far as they’re concerned the small majority that owned slaves or that wanted segregation were cunning enough to convince all the others that it was a good idea for 300 years much to their own dismay, and we're all somehow unaffected by the legacy of our ancestors. *shrug*

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Go ask Kap what he wants. He’ll tell you police reform and social programs to help disadvantaged communities, especially Black ones. The rest of the NFL players will echo the sentiment.

Ask me what I want. The throne. I want it all.

My advice? Better learn to deal with Kap and friends before they become me.

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I do though. I have a clear example of it in front of me :)

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How’s your hair look in the mirror today? Do you have a full, vanity mirror or?

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Lol, thin and balding as usual, you clever little troll you. Go ahead and be butthurt by the truth, go ahead and continue to make my point for me. I'm laughing bro.

And be careful, your thinly veiled racism is showing ;)

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Oh. Let me pull up my sagging pants then. I usually tuck it underneath them.

Never forget though, I’m not your bro. Laugh on.

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Lololololol. This is great. You've saved me a lot of time by simply and beautifully illustrating my point for me. Bravo, BRO!

Fact is, I don't give a flying f**k about skin color. That's literally all it is to me, color. No different from hair or eye color. The color of my skin doesn't make me special, the color of yours doesn't make you special. What matters to me is attitude, and yours sucks. Not because you're black, not because I disagree with you on most things (for the record, I like and agree with most football related stuff you have to say. Not that you care) It sucks because you sit here and you make false accusations and broad generalizations of people based on their skin color, whilst simultaneously complaining about people doing it to folks who share your skin color. Your hypocrisy is easily spotted all within the same thread, if not the same post. And it's not like it just started today either. I've considered calling you on it in the past, but ultimately decided it wasnt worth it, because I saw it going exactly like this. But it's a slow day at work today and I'm bored and I thought oh what the hell, let's poke the hornet's nest.

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I don’t complain about it at all. I’m not Kap. I’m not protesting oppression. A protest is merely an aggressive form of begging. I’m not begging you or your community for anything. I’m telling you I’m coming to get it and when I do just remember there were people who asked nicely first.

You could hate Black people, Muslims, or Hispanics. It wouldn’t matter to me. I’m not here to convince you to think one way or the other. I’m here to tell you I’m coming, and you can experience the way the world is when it’s made in my image.

Y’all have made false accusations about what the protests are really about, but hey, it doesn’t matter. Feel how you feel. Think how you want to think. Believe what you want to believe. Saintfan tried to convince me not to give up on this kumbaya **** a while back. Nah. **** that. Get out the way or get rolled over. Simple.

These players are actually trying to work with you to fix the problems in this country. They’re asking for you help. The goal should outweigh the means, but since they don’t and never have, **** it. Get it how you live.

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Just so we're clear, I don't bear you any ill will. Even though we disagree, and even though I do think you're kind of a racist, I don't think you're a bad guy. And I realize that at this point I've probably made you angry, and you could care less about whether I think you're "good" or "bad" but I feel it's important to clarify.