B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago

rezburna · 01-24-2021, 08:32 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Yeah, it was Brees arm that caused the Minn Miracle...and the Rams Comeback...

I’d say those 2 interceptions Brees threw in Minnesota didn’t put us in the best position.

I’d say even after the no call in the Rams game we got the ball first in overtime and he threw an interception then too.

I’d say the second time we played Minnesota he threw a very costly interception and fumbled on a crucial drive that Taysom Hill actually started.

I’d say the 3 interceptions last week weren’t the best look.

7 TD’s
6 interceptions
65% completion percentage
885 yards

That’s his last four playoff games. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, let that had been Teddy Bridgewater’s stats over the span of four games. He’d be talked about like the second coming of Aaron Brooks.

subguy · 01-25-2021, 05:44 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’d say those 2 interceptions Brees threw in Minnesota didn’t put us in the best position.

I’d say even after the no call in the Rams game we got the ball first in overtime and he threw an interception then too.

I’d say the second time we played Minnesota he threw a very costly interception and fumbled on a crucial drive that Taysom Hill actually started.

I’d say the 3 interceptions last week weren’t the best look.

7 TD’s
6 interceptions
65% completion percentage
885 yards

That’s his last four playoff games. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, let that had been Teddy Bridgewater’s stats over the span of four games. He’d be talked about like the second coming of Aaron Brooks.

I don't get it dude...I think everyone was appreciative of what Teddy did while the starting HOF QB was injured. It wasn't as if Teddy led the stat columns this year in NC.

Also, it is very obvious Cooks didn't pan out with us, NE or the Rams and who knows about Houston, 4 teams in 6 or 7 seasons three of those with us. When players such as Cooks, even as Thomas has shown himself this year, that it is more about them than the team it is a problem.

Thomas is a stud receiver, but I must say his connection with Drew helped him gain his reputation in the league as Drew has done with many receivers in his career. Guys that have gone on to not contribute much with other QB's.

Has Brees declined, yes, have we had any viable options to start in his place, no.

If our cap space is not what it is, it would be great to give a guy like Stafford a chance at a second life, but it is what it is. If the frog had wings he wouldn't bump his on ground when he hopped.

blackangold · 01-25-2021, 09:59 AM

Originally Posted by subguy

Has Brees declined, yes, have we had any viable options to start in his place, no.

This right here doesn't make sense....

In the last 2 years we are 8-1 without Brees. It's easy to argue that Brees held the team back for at least the last 2 years. I'd say that most players on the team could see it everyday in practice. Thomas and other know they had a SB caliber roster that was trying to hold up a bottom end QB.

That doesn't dismiss how great Drew was and all the amazing things he did, but he will go down as a classic story of someone who retired too late and held on for longer than he should have.

Boston Saint · 01-25-2021, 10:27 AM

Originally Posted by blackangold

This right here doesn't make sense....

In the last 2 years we are 8-1 without Brees. It's easy to argue that Brees held the team back for at least the last 2 years. I'd say that most players on the team could see it everyday in practice. Thomas and other know they had a SB caliber roster that was trying to hold up a bottom end QB.

That doesn't dismiss how great Drew was and all the amazing things he did, but he will go down as a classic story of someone who retired too late and held on for longer than he should have.

When Tampa is sporting Brown, Evans, Godwin, and Gronk to throw to and the Saints roll out a busted up Thomas, an over the Hill Sanders, a never-was Cook, and whatever other WR they hoped was healthy enough to play that day its hard to buy your statement about the super bowl caliber WR corps holding up the bottom end QB.

blackangold · 01-25-2021, 01:59 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

When Tampa is sporting Brown, Evans, Godwin, and Gronk to throw to and the Saints roll out a busted up Thomas, an over the Hill Sanders, a never-was Cook, and whatever other WR they hoped was healthy enough to play that day its hard to buy your statement about the super bowl caliber WR corps holding up the bottom end QB.

Having all of that talent wouldn't matter if the QB can't get the ball there.

Have you been around long enough to remember the "caliber" of WR/TE Brees used to have when throwing for 5000+ yds? The story used to be Brees could make anyone look good at WR, now apparently he needs all-stars around him.

All those "busted up" players you mentioned had no issues catching balls from other QBs over the last 2 years and winning games. They all have recently been pro-bowl players.

Last point here... Do you believe that if Drew Brees went to the Bucs instead of Brady, they would be in the Superbowl right now?

Boston Saint · 01-25-2021, 09:44 AM

Originally Posted by rezburna

I’d say those 2 interceptions Brees threw in Minnesota didn’t put us in the best position.

I’d say even after the no call in the Rams game we got the ball first in overtime and he threw an interception then too.

I’d say the second time we played Minnesota he threw a very costly interception and fumbled on a crucial drive that Taysom Hill actually started.

I’d say the 3 interceptions last week weren’t the best look.

7 TD’s
6 interceptions
65% completion percentage
885 yards

That’s his last four playoff games. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, let that had been Teddy Bridgewater’s stats over the span of four games. He’d be talked about like the second coming of Aaron Brooks.

Bucs won yesterday throwing three interceptions. It’s because they converted in the red zone and not because of long throws by Brady. Big armed Rodgers and Allen lost yesterday too.

Only a fool would say it’s better to have a QB with limited arm strength. I’m not saying that. I am saying terms like noodle arm are out of place and that if the rest of the team is healthy (Hill, Murray and Thomas were not-hence the Red Zone struggles) and performs (Cook not fumbling like an idiot) Brees is/was capable of winning the game against Tampa. As always, refs made a
Difference. Receivers were held on both sides all throughout that game. Why they decide to call the game clenching penalty with less than two minutes is easy to understand to me.

rezburna · 01-25-2021, 09:54 AM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

Bucs won yesterday throwing three interceptions. It’s because they converted in the red zone and not because of long throws by Brady. Big armed Rodgers and Allen lost yesterday too.

Only a fool would say it’s better to have a QB with limited arm strength. I’m not saying that. I am saying terms like noodle arm are out of place and that if the rest of the team is healthy (Hill, Murray and Thomas were not-hence the Red Zone struggles) and performs (Cook not fumbling like an idiot) Brees is/was capable of winning the game against Tampa. As always, refs made a
Difference. Receivers were held on both sides all throughout that game. Why they decide to call the game clenching penalty with less than two minutes is easy to understand to me.

The fact that Tom Brady can throw the long ball like he did to close out the 2nd quarter is what opens up the field for everything else. Drew Brees is a legend and first ballot HOF’er and blah, blah, blah but that doesn’t take away from the fact he hasn’t been getting it done and he does have a noodle for an arm. Nobody is saying you have to have the strongest arm in the world, but you do have to be able to keep defenses honest. Brady is still able to do that. Drew Brees was a better version Chad Pennington for these last four years.

01-24-2021, 08:32 PM	#1
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by Boston Saint Yeah, it was Brees arm that caused the Minn Miracle...and the Rams Comeback... I’d say those 2 interceptions Brees threw in Minnesota didn’t put us in the best position. I’d say even after the no call in the Rams game we got the ball first in overtime and he threw an interception then too. I’d say the second time we played Minnesota he threw a very costly interception and fumbled on a crucial drive that Taysom Hill actually started. I’d say the 3 interceptions last week weren’t the best look. 7 TD’s 6 interceptions 65% completion percentage 885 yards That’s his last four playoff games. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, let that had been Teddy Bridgewater’s stats over the span of four games. He’d be talked about like the second coming of Aaron Brooks. Rsanders24, saintsfan1976, 73Saint and 2 others like this.
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01-25-2021, 05:44 AM	#2
subguy 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: FL Posts: 2,099	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by rezburna I’d say those 2 interceptions Brees threw in Minnesota didn’t put us in the best position. I’d say even after the no call in the Rams game we got the ball first in overtime and he threw an interception then too. I’d say the second time we played Minnesota he threw a very costly interception and fumbled on a crucial drive that Taysom Hill actually started. I’d say the 3 interceptions last week weren’t the best look. 7 TD’s 6 interceptions 65% completion percentage 885 yards That’s his last four playoff games. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, let that had been Teddy Bridgewater’s stats over the span of four games. He’d be talked about like the second coming of Aaron Brooks. I don't get it dude...I think everyone was appreciative of what Teddy did while the starting HOF QB was injured. It wasn't as if Teddy led the stat columns this year in NC. Also, it is very obvious Cooks didn't pan out with us, NE or the Rams and who knows about Houston, 4 teams in 6 or 7 seasons three of those with us. When players such as Cooks, even as Thomas has shown himself this year, that it is more about them than the team it is a problem. Thomas is a stud receiver, but I must say his connection with Drew helped him gain his reputation in the league as Drew has done with many receivers in his career. Guys that have gone on to not contribute much with other QB's. Has Brees declined, yes, have we had any viable options to start in his place, no. If our cap space is not what it is, it would be great to give a guy like Stafford a chance at a second life, but it is what it is. If the frog had wings he wouldn't bump his on ground when he hopped.
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01-25-2021, 09:59 AM	#3
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by subguy Has Brees declined, yes, have we had any viable options to start in his place, no. This right here doesn't make sense.... In the last 2 years we are 8-1 without Brees. It's easy to argue that Brees held the team back for at least the last 2 years. I'd say that most players on the team could see it everyday in practice. Thomas and other know they had a SB caliber roster that was trying to hold up a bottom end QB. That doesn't dismiss how great Drew was and all the amazing things he did, but he will go down as a classic story of someone who retired too late and held on for longer than he should have. UK_WhoDat, gosaints1 and K Major like this.
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01-25-2021, 10:27 AM	#4
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by blackangold This right here doesn't make sense.... In the last 2 years we are 8-1 without Brees. It's easy to argue that Brees held the team back for at least the last 2 years. I'd say that most players on the team could see it everyday in practice. Thomas and other know they had a SB caliber roster that was trying to hold up a bottom end QB. That doesn't dismiss how great Drew was and all the amazing things he did, but he will go down as a classic story of someone who retired too late and held on for longer than he should have. When Tampa is sporting Brown, Evans, Godwin, and Gronk to throw to and the Saints roll out a busted up Thomas, an over the Hill Sanders, a never-was Cook, and whatever other WR they hoped was healthy enough to play that day its hard to buy your statement about the super bowl caliber WR corps holding up the bottom end QB. Papa Voodoo likes this.

01-25-2021, 01:59 PM	#5
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by Boston Saint When Tampa is sporting Brown, Evans, Godwin, and Gronk to throw to and the Saints roll out a busted up Thomas, an over the Hill Sanders, a never-was Cook, and whatever other WR they hoped was healthy enough to play that day its hard to buy your statement about the super bowl caliber WR corps holding up the bottom end QB. Having all of that talent wouldn't matter if the QB can't get the ball there. Have you been around long enough to remember the "caliber" of WR/TE Brees used to have when throwing for 5000+ yds? The story used to be Brees could make anyone look good at WR, now apparently he needs all-stars around him. All those "busted up" players you mentioned had no issues catching balls from other QBs over the last 2 years and winning games. They all have recently been pro-bowl players. Last point here... Do you believe that if Drew Brees went to the Bucs instead of Brady, they would be in the Superbowl right now? Rsanders24, gosaints1, K Major and 1 others like this.
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01-25-2021, 09:44 AM	#6
Boston Saint 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 5,137	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by rezburna I’d say those 2 interceptions Brees threw in Minnesota didn’t put us in the best position. I’d say even after the no call in the Rams game we got the ball first in overtime and he threw an interception then too. I’d say the second time we played Minnesota he threw a very costly interception and fumbled on a crucial drive that Taysom Hill actually started. I’d say the 3 interceptions last week weren’t the best look. 7 TD’s 6 interceptions 65% completion percentage 885 yards That’s his last four playoff games. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again, let that had been Teddy Bridgewater’s stats over the span of four games. He’d be talked about like the second coming of Aaron Brooks. Bucs won yesterday throwing three interceptions. It’s because they converted in the red zone and not because of long throws by Brady. Big armed Rodgers and Allen lost yesterday too. Only a fool would say it’s better to have a QB with limited arm strength. I’m not saying that. I am saying terms like noodle arm are out of place and that if the rest of the team is healthy (Hill, Murray and Thomas were not-hence the Red Zone struggles) and performs (Cook not fumbling like an idiot) Brees is/was capable of winning the game against Tampa. As always, refs made a Difference. Receivers were held on both sides all throughout that game. Why they decide to call the game clenching penalty with less than two minutes is easy to understand to me. Rugby Saint II and Rell&Gold like this.
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01-25-2021, 09:54 AM	#7
rezburna 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Feb 2013 Location: Kenner, LA Posts: 7,999	Re: B.Cooks Questioned Drew's Arm Strength 4 Years Ago Originally Posted by Boston Saint Bucs won yesterday throwing three interceptions. It’s because they converted in the red zone and not because of long throws by Brady. Big armed Rodgers and Allen lost yesterday too. Only a fool would say it’s better to have a QB with limited arm strength. I’m not saying that. I am saying terms like noodle arm are out of place and that if the rest of the team is healthy (Hill, Murray and Thomas were not-hence the Red Zone struggles) and performs (Cook not fumbling like an idiot) Brees is/was capable of winning the game against Tampa. As always, refs made a Difference. Receivers were held on both sides all throughout that game. Why they decide to call the game clenching penalty with less than two minutes is easy to understand to me. The fact that Tom Brady can throw the long ball like he did to close out the 2nd quarter is what opens up the field for everything else. Drew Brees is a legend and first ballot HOF’er and blah, blah, blah but that doesn’t take away from the fact he hasn’t been getting it done and he does have a noodle for an arm. Nobody is saying you have to have the strongest arm in the world, but you do have to be able to keep defenses honest. Brady is still able to do that. Drew Brees was a better version Chad Pennington for these last four years. Rsanders24, SmashMouth, 73Saint and 1 others like this.
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