2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints

ChrisXVI · 02-25-2021, 06:03 PM

As far as I know, Baun was potentially going to play Mike LB. I don’t know if that plan is still in place or not.

jeanpierre · 02-26-2021, 12:44 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Once I saw him on the field in a Saints uniform, Baun is a 3-4 Jack...

Originally Posted by K Major

Damn.

Originally Posted by gosaints1

What good is a 3-4 (J) backer in a predominantly 4-3 defense though? Dennis Allen is on record as stating “I’m an 11 best players” guy wrt defensive scheme, which cause some uncertainty in what positions in defensive personnel, draft including, are prioritized. The last couple years, it seems the Saints have played more 4-2-5 than 3-4, right?

Have my eyes failed me? Am I wrong?

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

As far as I know, Baun was potentially going to play Mike LB. I don’t know if that plan is still in place or not.

Look, that's just me; I see him excelling in that (Jack) position...

Could he play Sam, Mike or Will? Sure. But I think you put this guy in as a Jack, he could devastate one side of the field, reach his full potential...

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that Anzalone would probably make a better 3-4 LBer just to reduce some of his reads/assignments so he could just turn loose his athleticism...

In fact, after taking Anzalone, I thought we might be working our way back to a 3-4 with Cam slowing down, then we went and took Davenport with two ones and a fifth...

Now, if we were playing old pass defense rules, I'd love to see Baun used in a 46, that'd be real exciting to see...

But he just didn't seem as fluid in space as our LBers (e.g. Davis and Kwon) need to be in our nickel, heavy nickel, dime packages...

gosaints1 · 02-26-2021, 07:27 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Look, that's just me; I see him excelling in that (Jack) position...

Could he play Sam, Mike or Will? Sure. But I think you put this guy in as a Jack, he could devastate one side of the field, reach his full potential...

In fact, I'd go so far as to say that Anzalone would probably make a better 3-4 LBer just to reduce some of his reads/assignments so he could just turn loose his athleticism...

In fact, after taking Anzalone, I thought we might be working our way back to a 3-4 with Cam slowing down, then we went and took Davenport with two ones and a fifth...

Now, if we were playing old pass defense rules, I'd love to see Baun used in a 46, that'd be real exciting to see...

But he just didn't seem as fluid in space as our LBers (e.g. Davis and Kwon) need to be in our nickel, heavy nickel, dime packages...

Agreed, a playmaker is a playmaker is a playmaker. I understand that logic. Kinda like if the Saints were to sign a speedy veteran WR to get past the secondary quick, fast and in a hurry, yet have a QB that either is unable to deliver a deep ball or is more often than not extremely hesitant to even try. The WR would still be a baller..., but not in the situation he would presently be in.

Don’t we show 46 every now and then, but substituting an additional SS at the line, instead of a pure (J) LBer? It’s a 46 look though, right? lol, sometimes it worked, Jenkins had 2.5 sacks at that pos’n (effectively) last season. One more than either Rankins or Davenport. Sorry, couldn’t resist leaving you with Two 1sts on your mind on my way out.

K Major · 02-25-2021, 08:51 PM

What are the chances the Saints go cornerback in the 1st?

Looking at Janoris Jenkins cap number next season, I don't see how he takes a paycut or the Saints retaining him.

He could end up a cap casualty. If he leaves, CB position becomes a need for us.

Thoughts?

jeanpierre · 02-26-2021, 12:37 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

What are the chances the Saints go cornerback in the 1st?

Looking at Janoris Jenkins cap number next season, I don't see how he takes a paycut or the Saints retaining him.

He could end up a cap casualty. If he leaves, CB position becomes a need for us.

Thoughts?

That's why I listed Jaycee Horn (yes, for those that don't know it's Joe Horn's son)...

ChrisXVI · 02-26-2021, 07:54 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

That's why I listed Jaycee Horn (yes, for those that don't know it's Joe Horn's son)...

CB Greg Newsome (Northwestern) is right up there for me.

jeanpierre · 02-26-2021, 08:40 AM

Originally Posted by ChrisXVI

CB Greg Newsome (Northwestern) is right up there for me.

But, can he stay healthy? Always seemed to be hurt vs the big competition...

lee909 · 02-25-2021, 10:59 PM

CB, FS, DE, DT

All need filled.

Cant rely on Davenport getting through a season.
Unlikely Williams is back
Rankins a possibility if he doesn't get the offers he wants

And plenty of questions at CB with Lattimore deal and Jack rabbits cap.
Lattimore is going to want to be the best paid CB in football. Not sure I'd make him that to be honest. On his day he is as good as anyone but too often he plays up or down to the level of his opponent.

jeanpierre · 02-26-2021, 08:43 AM

Originally Posted by lee909

CB, FS, DE, DT

All need filled.

Cant rely on Davenport getting through a season.
Unlikely Williams is back
Rankins a possibility if he doesn't get the offers he wants

And plenty of questions at CB with Lattimore deal and Jack rabbits cap.
Lattimore is going to want to be the best paid CB in football. Not sure I'd make him that to be honest. On his day he is as good as anyone but too often he plays up or down to the level of his opponent.

I'd have QB and OL right there at the top with LCB...

K Major · 02-26-2021, 08:13 AM

Chris -

In post 80, you mentioned the corner back Elijah Molden (second round) possibly to the Saints. He has a lot of ability & turns his head around a lot in pass coverage. He played a lot in the slot last season. Replacement for PRob perhaps?

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02-25-2021, 06:03 PM	#1
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints As far as I know, Baun was potentially going to play Mike LB. I don’t know if that plan is still in place or not.

02-26-2021, 12:44 AM	#2
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Once I saw him on the field in a Saints uniform, Baun is a 3-4 Jack... Originally Posted by K Major Damn. Originally Posted by gosaints1 What good is a 3-4 (J) backer in a predominantly 4-3 defense though? Dennis Allen is on record as stating “I’m an 11 best players” guy wrt defensive scheme, which cause some uncertainty in what positions in defensive personnel, draft including, are prioritized. The last couple years, it seems the Saints have played more 4-2-5 than 3-4, right? Have my eyes failed me? Am I wrong? Originally Posted by ChrisXVI As far as I know, Baun was potentially going to play Mike LB. I don’t know if that plan is still in place or not. Look, that's just me; I see him excelling in that (Jack) position... Could he play Sam, Mike or Will? Sure. But I think you put this guy in as a Jack, he could devastate one side of the field, reach his full potential... In fact, I'd go so far as to say that Anzalone would probably make a better 3-4 LBer just to reduce some of his reads/assignments so he could just turn loose his athleticism... In fact, after taking Anzalone, I thought we might be working our way back to a 3-4 with Cam slowing down, then we went and took Davenport with two ones and a fifth... Now, if we were playing old pass defense rules, I'd love to see Baun used in a 46, that'd be real exciting to see... But he just didn't seem as fluid in space as our LBers (e.g. Davis and Kwon) need to be in our nickel, heavy nickel, dime packages... saintsfan1976, gosaints1 and K Major like this.
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02-26-2021, 07:27 AM	#3
gosaints1 500th Post Join Date: Mar 2012 Posts: 576	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre Look, that's just me; I see him excelling in that (Jack) position... Could he play Sam, Mike or Will? Sure. But I think you put this guy in as a Jack, he could devastate one side of the field, reach his full potential... In fact, I'd go so far as to say that Anzalone would probably make a better 3-4 LBer just to reduce some of his reads/assignments so he could just turn loose his athleticism... In fact, after taking Anzalone, I thought we might be working our way back to a 3-4 with Cam slowing down, then we went and took Davenport with two ones and a fifth... Now, if we were playing old pass defense rules, I'd love to see Baun used in a 46, that'd be real exciting to see... But he just didn't seem as fluid in space as our LBers (e.g. Davis and Kwon) need to be in our nickel, heavy nickel, dime packages... Agreed, a playmaker is a playmaker is a playmaker. I understand that logic. Kinda like if the Saints were to sign a speedy veteran WR to get past the secondary quick, fast and in a hurry, yet have a QB that either is unable to deliver a deep ball or is more often than not extremely hesitant to even try. The WR would still be a baller..., but not in the situation he would presently be in. Don’t we show 46 every now and then, but substituting an additional SS at the line, instead of a pure (J) LBer? It’s a 46 look though, right? lol, sometimes it worked, Jenkins had 2.5 sacks at that pos’n (effectively) last season. One more than either Rankins or Davenport. Sorry, couldn’t resist leaving you with Two 1sts on your mind on my way out. K Major likes this.
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02-25-2021, 08:51 PM	#4
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,828 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints What are the chances the Saints go cornerback in the 1st? Looking at Janoris Jenkins cap number next season, I don't see how he takes a paycut or the Saints retaining him. He could end up a cap casualty. If he leaves, CB position becomes a need for us. Thoughts? saintsfan1976, jeanpierre and ChrisXVI like this.

02-26-2021, 12:37 AM	#5
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by K Major What are the chances the Saints go cornerback in the 1st? Looking at Janoris Jenkins cap number next season, I don't see how he takes a paycut or the Saints retaining him. He could end up a cap casualty. If he leaves, CB position becomes a need for us. Thoughts? That's why I listed Jaycee Horn (yes, for those that don't know it's Joe Horn's son)... K Major likes this.

02-26-2021, 07:54 AM	#6
ChrisXVI 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: Madison, WI Posts: 11,482	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by jeanpierre That's why I listed Jaycee Horn (yes, for those that don't know it's Joe Horn's son)... CB Greg Newsome (Northwestern) is right up there for me. jeanpierre and K Major like this.

02-26-2021, 08:40 AM	#7
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by ChrisXVI CB Greg Newsome (Northwestern) is right up there for me. But, can he stay healthy? Always seemed to be hurt vs the big competition... ChrisXVI likes this.

02-25-2021, 10:59 PM	#8
lee909 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,875 Blog Entries: 1	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints CB, FS, DE, DT All need filled. Cant rely on Davenport getting through a season. Unlikely Williams is back Rankins a possibility if he doesn't get the offers he wants And plenty of questions at CB with Lattimore deal and Jack rabbits cap. Lattimore is going to want to be the best paid CB in football. Not sure I'd make him that to be honest. On his day he is as good as anyone but too often he plays up or down to the level of his opponent.

02-26-2021, 08:43 AM	#9
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints Originally Posted by lee909 CB, FS, DE, DT All need filled. Cant rely on Davenport getting through a season. Unlikely Williams is back Rankins a possibility if he doesn't get the offers he wants And plenty of questions at CB with Lattimore deal and Jack rabbits cap. Lattimore is going to want to be the best paid CB in football. Not sure I'd make him that to be honest. On his day he is as good as anyone but too often he plays up or down to the level of his opponent. I'd have QB and OL right there at the top with LCB...