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jeanpierre 07-26-2021 08:48 AM
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Not too bad for a 6th round pick, no. 199...

jeanpierre 08-23-2021 12:16 PM
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Rugby Saint II 08-23-2021 12:32 PM
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Here's a thought to think about rather than arguing with someone who can't change their mind. Sunshine, Roses, and Lollipops.

jeanpierre 08-24-2021 11:06 PM
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jeanpierre 08-27-2021 06:40 PM
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jeanpierre 08-27-2021 06:46 PM
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F*ck, it hurts not keeping him in the #SaintsFam...

jeanpierre 08-29-2021 11:58 AM
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jeanpierre 09-04-2021 05:37 PM
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jeanpierre 09-04-2021 08:02 PM
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jeanpierre 09-04-2021 11:44 PM
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jeanpierre 09-05-2021 01:50 PM
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Over The Cap has us getting three compensatory picks in 2022...

Source: Over The Cap | Projected Compensatory Picks 2022 NFL Draft

Rugby Saint II 09-06-2021 01:19 PM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 927393)
Over The Cap has us getting three compensatory picks in 2022...

Source: Over The Cap | Projected Compensatory Picks 2022 NFL Draft
I opened the link but wasn't sure how to read it. Are they all in the third round? It's more trade ammo for Payton.

FinSaint 09-06-2021 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 927431)
I opened the link but wasn't sure how to read it. Are they all in the third round? It's more trade ammo for Payton.
A 3rd, a 4th and a 6th round picks.

jeanpierre 09-07-2021 07:16 AM
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This is what Ohio State folks had to say about the Saints selecting Pete Werner, in the second round...

K Major 09-07-2021 08:20 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 927468)
This is what Ohio State folks had to say about the Saints selecting Pete Werner, in the second round...

Analyzing Pete Werner being selected by the New Orleans Saints in the 2021 NFL Draft: Ohio State ... - YouTube

I remember listening at this podcast right after the Saints selected Pete. Not a lot of enthusiasm from this bunch :( & they are OSU guys.

Only thing I agree with in early part of the assessment is that someone drafted in the second rd, you expect dynamic things. We shall see however I hadn’t heard much from Werner at camp & subsequent pre season games.

In three years these guys will either eat crow or the Saints will have drafted another linebacker who did not live up to their draft status.

SmashMouth 09-07-2021 08:34 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 927485)
I remember listening at this podcast right after the Saints selected Pete. Not a lot of enthusiasm from this bunch :( & they are OSU guys.

Only thing I agree with in early part of the assessment is that someone drafted in the second rd, you expect dynamic things. We shall see however I hadn’t heard much from Werner at camp & subsequent pre season games.

In three years these guys will either eat crow or the Saints will have drafted another linebacker who did not live up to their draft status.
We'll see. Just how many busts have the Saints had in the 2nd round? Pete Werner did beat competition that wasn't chump change at The Ohio St U. How many LBers not in the first round for any team have made an immediate productive impactful contribution (aka starting) for their respective teams.

Kwon is an exception as he was a 4th rounder for another team.

K Major 09-07-2021 08:47 AM
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Originally Posted by SmashMouth (Post 927486)
We'll see. Just how many busts have the Saints had in the 2nd round? Pete Werner did beat competition that wasn't chump change at The Ohio St U. How many LBers not in the first round for any team have made an immediate productive impactful contribution (aka starting) for their respective teams.

Kwon is an exception as he was a 4th rounder for another team.
Yep yep. I thought former 1st rounders Queen, Kenneth Murray (Chargers) and Isaiah had "impact" as starters out of the gate. Darius Leonard (2nd rounder) & that LSU dude (Devin White) did as well so it can be done.

Stephone A & Thor (Anzalone) kinda ruined it for me. Wasn't Martez listed as a LB coming out of college too? High draft selections but for whatever reason, didn't pan out in New Orleans.

Saints simply don't have the best track record with drafting or developing linebackers over the last two decades.

I'm hopeful Pete Werner will be different :bng:.

Lord_Saint83 09-07-2021 10:09 AM
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Originally Posted by K Major (Post 927488)
Yep yep. I thought former 1st rounders Queen, Kenneth Murray (Chargers) and Isaiah had "impact" as starters out of the gate. Darius Leonard (2nd rounder) & that LSU dude (Devin White) did as well so it can be done.

Stephone A & Thor (Anzalone) kinda ruined it for me. Wasn't Martez listed as a LB coming out of college too? High draft selections but for whatever reason, didn't pan out in New Orleans.

Saints simply don't have the best track record with drafting or developing linebackers over the last two decades.

I'm hopeful Pete Werner will be different :bng:.


I think a majority of that came from Joe Vitt. That dude was a garbage coach. Most people would of dropped him like a bad habit but he was a crony of Paytons so that’s that. I would of love to seen Nolan mold the new LB’s. He maybe a crap coordinator but he’s a damn good LB coach.

jeanpierre 09-07-2021 10:31 AM
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I think a majority of that came from Joe Vitt. That dude was a garbage coach. Most people would of dropped him like a bad habit but he was a crony of Paytons so that’s that. I would of love to seen Nolan mold the new LB’s. He maybe a crap coordinator but he’s a damn good LB coach.
Certainly agree with Nolan's ability by his pedigree, but it's been Michael Hodges that's flipped the switch on Baun, Hansen, Ellis, and even Andrew Powell...

Would love to have a mulligan right now on that second round and have taken IOL Creed Humphrey or NT Alim McNeil...

Lord_Saint83 09-07-2021 11:48 AM
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 927490)
Certainly agree with Nolan's ability by his pedigree, but it's been Michael Hodges that's flipped the switch on Baun, Hansen, Ellis, and even Andrew Powell...

Would love to have a mulligan right now on that second round and have taken IOL Creed Humphrey or NT Alim McNeil...

Or used it to trade up and get Marshall Jr. early in the second instead of sitting and hoping he’d fall. Roll the dice on positions you need and trade up

jeanpierre 09-10-2021 06:07 AM
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Or used it to trade up and get Marshall Jr. early in the second instead of sitting and hoping he’d fall. Roll the dice on positions you need and trade up
Or use those Day 3 picks to secure those priority undrafted free agents you lose out on, if every third one turns into a Evans, Nicks, Colston, Strief, Gardner, life's gravy...

Rugby Saint II 09-11-2021 11:48 AM
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It took Baun a year to look crisp with his assignments. I'll happily give Werner a year too. Hodges has made our guys look good. Coaching is so critical. Joe Vitt proved that a crappy coach puts out crappy players.

jeanpierre 09-12-2021 02:29 AM
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It took Baun a year to look crisp with his assignments. I'll happily give Werner a year too. Hodges has made our guys look good. Coaching is so critical. Joe Vitt proved that a crappy coach puts out crappy players.
But where do you play him?

jeanpierre 09-27-2021 02:02 PM
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AsylumGuido 09-27-2021 02:05 PM
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But where do you play him?
Where needed, when needed. Nothing wrong with depth.

Rugby Saint II 09-28-2021 11:10 AM
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But where do you play him?
At LB'er? ;)

jeanpierre 10-01-2021 10:04 AM
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K Major 10-01-2021 10:37 AM
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He's all over the Falcons radar for 2022.

They'll have a shot at drafting him too.

jeanpierre 10-16-2021 09:50 PM
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Saints WR2?

K Major 10-16-2021 10:07 PM
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I like Chris Olave from "The Ohio State" ...

He's a very good route runner.

Let Sprainquan Smith walk in 2022.

Rugby Saint II 10-19-2021 03:28 PM
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I always like it when we drat the big uglies in round one. It all starts in the trenches. Having said that we sure do need a WR to open up the field for other players. I'm hoping can't call Mike comes back strong but he's been out of football a long time and I just don't feel like I can count on him until I see him in action. Currently this is my favorite thread that helps me get ready for the 2022 draft. God, I miss Hagan.


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