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AsylumGuido 07-18-2021 04:00 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923300)
#SeanPaytonHatesLSU :lol: :lol: :lol:

https://twitter.com/TheSaintsWire/st...08456875659269
Yet over the past twenty years the Saints have selected basically the same number of LSU draftees as has the league average. Looks like they have the same opinion as the rest of the league. If the Saints hate LSU so does the entire NFL. Go figure.

jeanpierre 07-19-2021 02:52 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923340)
Yet over the past twenty years the Saints have selected basically the same number of LSU draftees as has the league average. Looks like they have the same opinion as the rest of the league. If the Saints hate LSU so does the entire NFL. Go figure.
Believe the Saints bring down the league average; in fact, if you did the gymnastic scoring thing, and took the Saints out of it, that number would double...

It is what it is, Sean has had an aversion to taking LSU players, and certainly favors certain schools up north instead...

AsylumGuido 07-19-2021 04:14 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923373)
Believe the Saints bring down the league average; in fact, if you did the gymnastic scoring thing, and took the Saints out of it, that number would double...

It is what it is, Sean has had an aversion to taking LSU players, and certainly favors certain schools up north instead...
No, the Saints' LSU draft picks, or lack there of, have almost no affect on the overall percentages. I will repost these numbers ...

1.) There are 778 colleges and universities in the United States with football programs according to footballfoundation.org as of June 28, 2018.

2.) Over the past twenty years those 778 sources have provided approximately 5,120 players to the NFL via the draft (20 years times 256 players).

3.) Over the past twenty years there have been 120 LSU players drafted. That comes out to an average of six LSU players drafted per year.

4.) In those last twenty years 2.3% of the players drafted league wide have been from LSU.

5.) Over the last twenty years the Saints have drafted approximately 140 players.

6.) Over the last twenty years the Saints have drafted three LSU players.

7.) Over the last twenty years 2.14% of the players the Saints have drafted have been from LSU. That's pretty much the league average. That means they are likely right about the median as far as drafting LSU players compared to the rest of the league. Half the teams have probably drafted more LSU players and half the teams have probably drafted less.

So, removing the Saints numbers from the overall league wide numbers we will recalculate.

Players drafted past twenty years minus Saints draftees: 5120 - 140 = 4980

LSU players drafted last twenty years minus Saints draftees: 120 - 3 = 117

Percentage of LSU players drafted overall with the Saints not included: 117/4980 = 2.349%

Your statement: "in fact, if you did the gymnastic scoring thing, and took the Saints out of it, that number would double..."

Oh, my! It looks like you were wrong!

;)

jeanpierre 07-20-2021 08:38 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923378)
No, the Saints' LSU draft picks, or lack there of, have almost no affect on the overall percentages. I will repost these numbers ...

1.) There are 778 colleges and universities in the United States with football programs according to footballfoundation.org as of June 28, 2018.

2.) Over the past twenty years those 778 sources have provided approximately 5,120 players to the NFL via the draft (20 years times 256 players).

3.) Over the past twenty years there have been 120 LSU players drafted. That comes out to an average of six LSU players drafted per year.

4.) In those last twenty years 2.3% of the players drafted league wide have been from LSU.

5.) Over the last twenty years the Saints have drafted approximately 140 players.

6.) Over the last twenty years the Saints have drafted three LSU players.

7.) Over the last twenty years 2.14% of the players the Saints have drafted have been from LSU. That's pretty much the league average. That means they are likely right about the median as far as drafting LSU players compared to the rest of the league. Half the teams have probably drafted more LSU players and half the teams have probably drafted less.

So, removing the Saints numbers from the overall league wide numbers we will recalculate.

Players drafted past twenty years minus Saints draftees: 5120 - 140 = 4980

LSU players drafted last twenty years minus Saints draftees: 120 - 3 = 117

Percentage of LSU players drafted overall with the Saints not included: 117/4980 = 2.349%

Your statement: "in fact, if you did the gymnastic scoring thing, and took the Saints out of it, that number would double..."

Oh, my! It looks like you were wrong!

;)
Post was about Payton hating LSU, and Sean has only been here since 2006, this is 2021; do you need math tutoring in addition to reading comprehension?

Don't even have to drag you anymore, you're doing it yourself - So you killed you're own lengthy, but faulty argument with 20 years...

Thanks for playing, you're #WrongAgain...

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AsylumGuido 07-20-2021 09:30 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923386)
Post was about Payton hating LSU, and Sean has only been here since 2006, this is 2021; do you need math tutoring in addition to reading comprehension?

Don't even have to drag you anymore, you're doing it yourself - So you killed you're own lengthy, but faulty argument with 20 years...

Thanks for playing, you're #WrongAgain...

https://media.giphy.com/media/At8j8K5zMfEgo/giphy.gif
Yes, the numbers were based upon twenty years. But you claimed that if you removed the Saints picks from the numbers the average would double. Wrong.

I could do the same exercise over the past 15 years if you wish. The fact remains that such a small percentage of the total number of players drafted are from LSU that any one team out of 32 will be statistically insignificant.

Besides, what makes LSU players so desirable anymore so than players from Ohio State, Michigan, Iowa, Oregon, USC, Clemson, Miami, etc? The average number of LSU players drafted by any team over the past 15 years would still be around three.

You need to take off your purple and gold homer glasses.

jeanpierre 07-20-2021 09:46 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923391)
Yes, the numbers were based upon twenty years. But you claimed that if you removed the Saints picks from the numbers the average would double. Wrong.

I could do the same exercise over the past 15 years if you wish. The fact remains that such a small percentage of the total number of players drafted are from LSU that any one team out of 32 will be statistically insignificant.

Besides, what makes LSU players so desirable anymore so than players from Ohio State, Michigan, Iowa, Oregon, USC, Clemson, Miami, etc? The average number of LSU players drafted by any team over the past 15 years would still be around three.

You need to take off your purple and gold homer glasses.
You asked for an example to show when you were wrong, and you provided it...

I'm sure in your zeal you thought you had something, must be deflating to have based all those stats on incorrect parameters...

And in so far as LSU, I'm an SEC first - I favor the strongest team in the conference that year, so I can't claim to be a LSU diehard homer...

So your assumption is wrong as well...

AsylumGuido 07-20-2021 10:41 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923394)
You asked for an example to show when you were wrong, and you provided it...

I'm sure in your zeal you thought you had something, must be deflating to have based all those stats on incorrect parameters...

And in so far as LSU, I'm an SEC first - I favor the strongest team in the conference that year, so I can't claim to be a LSU diehard homer...

So your assumption is wrong as well...
Not deflating at all. The premise still stands. With an average of only six LSU players drafted per year with 32 teams drafting each year a maximum of only six teams on average have drafted an LSU in a given year. That means that at minimum 81% of NFL front offices across the NFL have passed on LSU players completely in the average draft. That, my friend is simple math. I suppose all of those teams, using your logic, must have an aversion to LSU players, as well, huh? I suppose there may be a reason why so many teams have an aversion toward LSU players.

jeanpierre 07-20-2021 11:15 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923397)
Not deflating at all. The premise still stands. With an average of only six LSU players drafted per year with 32 teams drafting each year a maximum of only six teams on average have drafted an LSU in a given year. That means that at minimum 81% of NFL front offices across the NFL have passed on LSU players completely in the average draft. That, my friend is simple math. I suppose all of those teams, using your logic, must have an aversion to LSU players, as well, huh? I suppose there may be a reason why so many teams have an aversion toward LSU players.
Still can't admit you're wrong - it's pathological...

AsylumGuido 07-20-2021 11:29 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923401)
Still can't admit you're wrong - it's pathological...
Because I am not wrong. Sean Payton has no more of an aversion to LSU players than does any other coach in the NFL. It's all in the numbers. So few players split between so many possible landing spots means a the number of selections from any given team will be minimal.

But if it feeds your individual desire to find faults with the coaching staff and the front office, blast away.

:rolleyes:

jeanpierre 07-20-2021 05:10 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Six of your seven points you argued twenty year numbers when Sean Payton has only been here since 2006...

You. Are. Wrong.

AsylumGuido 07-20-2021 05:30 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923438)
Six of your seven points you argued twenty year numbers when Sean Payton has only been here since 2006...

You. Are. Wrong.
Give it up, JP. I don't want to argue with you anymore. Your premise that Sean Payton has an aversion to LSU players is clearly unable to be substantiated due to the rest of the league's draft rates concerning LSU. Your aversion to Sean Payton and the Saints front office is far more apparent.

My feeling goes out to you if you or yours have been personally wronged by any of them.

jeanpierre 07-21-2021 08:19 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923440)
Give it up, JP. I don't want to argue with you anymore. Your premise that Sean Payton has an aversion to LSU players is clearly unable to be substantiated due to the rest of the league's draft rates concerning LSU. Your aversion to Sean Payton and the Saints front office is far more apparent.

My feeling goes out to you if you or yours have been personally wronged by any of them.
You're trying to create a mythic situation to deflect from admitting you made a seven point argument with six of those points based on Sean Payton being here 20 years...

You. were. wrong.

And you refuse to admit you were wrong, and that's pathological...

jeanpierre 07-21-2021 08:53 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 

AsylumGuido 07-21-2021 09:13 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923445)
You're trying to create a mythic situation to deflect from admitting you made a seven point argument with six of those points based on Sean Payton being here 20 years...

You. were. wrong.

And you refuse to admit you were wrong, and that's pathological...
There's no convincing you of anything, no matter how logical. Your "aversion" to Sean Payton is just too great to overcome.

Does it stem back from the cutting of ties with Rita and her gang? I remember you had some harsh words about Gayle over that affair. We all know how tight Payton and Loomis are with Gayle. They are like sons to her as one of them described. Or has it even preceded that?

Rugby Saint II 07-21-2021 11:07 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923453)
There's no convincing you of anything, no matter how logical. Your "aversion" to Sean Payton is just too great to overcome.

Does it stem back from the cutting of ties with Rita and her gang? I remember you had some harsh words about Gayle over that affair. We all know how tight Payton and Loomis are with Gayle. They are like sons to her as one of them described. Or has it even preceded that?
This is getting old. Neither one of you is going to convince the other of anything no matter how much you try. Do you really need to put all of us through a running argument? Be the bigger man and let it go. You both could be right but no matter the research neither is changing their mind. Please stop getting me excited about a new thread without being drug into one of your never ending "I'll prove him wrong" tirades. Peace out. :peace:

jeanpierre 07-21-2021 08:52 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923453)
There's no convincing you of anything, no matter how logical. Your "aversion" to Sean Payton is just too great to overcome.

Does it stem back from the cutting of ties with Rita and her gang? I remember you had some harsh words about Gayle over that affair. We all know how tight Payton and Loomis are with Gayle. They are like sons to her as one of them described. Or has it even preceded that?
You've convinced me you are wrong and you pathologically won't admit you're wrong...

jeanpierre 07-21-2021 08:55 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 923465)
This is getting old. Neither one of you is going to convince the other of anything no matter how much you try. Do you really need to put all of us through a running argument? Be the bigger man and let it go. You both could be right but no matter the research neither is changing their mind. Please stop getting me excited about a new thread without being drug into one of your never ending "I'll prove him wrong" tirades. Peace out. :peace:
Just ignore it. But I'm gonna continue to drag him (if he doesn't do it to himself) that he's wrong and he should act like an adult and admit he was wrong like the human beings on this thread...

He made an flawed argument; it was pointed out he was wrong; he needs to act like an adult and admit he's wrong and why he's wrong...

He's got a pathological problem of not admitting he's wrong; when he corrects his behaviour, I'll let it go then...

Sorry, not sorry y'all have to go through this...:bng:

jeanpierre 07-22-2021 07:06 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 

AsylumGuido 07-22-2021 09:54 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Exactly what was I wrong about? Using twenty years as a basis of research? Fine. That didn't meet your parameters. Pointing out that Payton has no greater aversion to drafting LSU players than anyone else in the NFL? I am not wrong on that. That is your limited perception. That does not make it true. The fact is that when you compare the limited number of LSU players drafted over the past 15 years half the teams in the league mostly likely drafted no more than one if any other teams drafted more than three over that stretch.

It all comes down to this ... you claim Sean Payton has an established aversion to drafting LSU players. I've been saying you have no proof to there being any actual aversion. The only way I can be wrong is if you can prove that Payton indeed has that aversion.

jeanpierre 07-22-2021 10:06 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923505)
Exactly what was I wrong about? Using twenty years as a basis of research? Fine. That didn't meet your parameters. Pointing out that Payton has no greater aversion to drafting LSU players than anyone else in the NFL? I am not wrong on that. That is your limited perception. That does not make it true. The fact is that when you compare the limited number of LSU players drafted over the past 15 years half the teams in the league mostly likely drafted no more than one if any other teams drafted more than three over that stretch.

It all comes down to this ... you claim Sean Payton has an established aversion to drafting LSU players. I've been saying you have no proof to there being any actual aversion. The only way I can be wrong is if you can prove that Payton indeed has that aversion.
You used an argument of 20 years when Payton has been here since 2006, that's fifteen years...

You need to admit that - You. were. wrong.

AsylumGuido 07-22-2021 10:28 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923506)
You used an argument of 20 years when Payton has been here since 2006, that's fifteen years...

You need to admit that - You. were. wrong.
That wasn't even the crux of the entire discussion. I used 20 years simply because the numbers were easily at hand, still demonstrated the very low number of LSU players drafted per franchise and including the 15 years with Payton as head coach was right on the league average percentage of LSU players drafted. Was I wrong about using those parameters? Trivial as it is, I guess you can make that argument.

The true discussion was based upon your claiming that Sean Payton has an established aversion to drafting LSU players. Where is the proof of that? Simply your saying it is so doesn't make it true. I simply pointed out that fact and you began questioning my objectivity because I cannot come up with any reason to complain about Sean Payton. Does that make me wrong somehow?

jeanpierre 07-22-2021 10:31 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923508)
That wasn't even the crux of the entire discussion. I used 20 years simply because the numbers were easily at hand, still demonstrated the very low number of LSU players drafted per franchise and including the 15 years with Payton as head coach was right on the league average percentage of LSU players drafted. Was I wrong about using those parameters? Trivial as it is, I guess you can make that argument.

The true discussion was based upon your claiming that Sean Payton has an established aversion to drafting LSU players. Where is the proof of that? Simply your saying it is so doesn't make it true. I simply pointed out that fact and you began questioning my objectivity because I cannot come up with any reason to complain about Sean Payton. Does that make me wrong somehow?
You made a humiliating mistake trying to cite non-applicable data...

You. were. wrong.

AsylumGuido 07-22-2021 11:05 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923510)
You made a humiliating mistake trying to cite non-applicable data...

You. were. wrong.
Humiliating? LOL! Yeah, sure. Do you actually get humiliated over something as trivial as that? Come now, JP.

:D

But you continue to deflect the whole point ... where is your proof that Payton has an aversion to drafting LSU players?

Payton has drafted two LSU players over his 15 years. Al Woods and Will Clapp. There was only one drafted in the previous five years. That's still close to the league average. Nothing that would approach an aversion.

jeanpierre 07-22-2021 12:24 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923517)
Humiliating? LOL! Yeah, sure. Do you actually get humiliated over something as trivial as that? Come now, JP.

:D

But you continue to deflect the whole point ... where is your proof that Payton has an aversion to drafting LSU players?

Payton has drafted two LSU players over his 15 years. Al Woods and Will Clapp. There was only one drafted in the previous five years. That's still close to the league average. Nothing that would approach an aversion.
Payton tenure started in 2006, this is 2021, that's fifteen years...

You. were. wrong.

AsylumGuido 07-22-2021 01:50 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923520)
Payton tenure started in 2006, this is 2021, that's fifteen years...

You. were. wrong.
Yawn. :rolleyes:

jeanpierre 07-22-2021 04:54 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923378)
No, the Saints' LSU draft picks, or lack there of, have almost no affect on the overall percentages. I will repost these numbers ...

1.) There are 778 colleges and universities in the United States with football programs according to footballfoundation.org as of June 28, 2018.

2.) Over the past twenty years those 778 sources have provided approximately 5,120 players to the NFL via the draft (20 years times 256 players).

3.) Over the past twenty years there have been 120 LSU players drafted. That comes out to an average of six LSU players drafted per year.

4.) In those last twenty years 2.3% of the players drafted league wide have been from LSU.

5.) Over the last twenty years the Saints have drafted approximately 140 players.

6.) Over the last twenty years the Saints have drafted three LSU players.

7.) Over the last twenty years 2.14% of the players the Saints have drafted have been from LSU. That's pretty much the league average. That means they are likely right about the median as far as drafting LSU players compared to the rest of the league. Half the teams have probably drafted more LSU players and half the teams have probably drafted less.

So, removing the Saints numbers from the overall league wide numbers we will recalculate.

Players drafted past twenty years minus Saints draftees: 5120 - 140 = 4980

LSU players drafted last twenty years minus Saints draftees: 120 - 3 = 117

Percentage of LSU players drafted overall with the Saints not included: 117/4980 = 2.349%

Your statement: "in fact, if you did the gymnastic scoring thing, and took the Saints out of it, that number would double..."

Oh, my! It looks like you were wrong!

;)
Again, this is your post using data that is wrong as Sean Payton has only been HC since 2006, that's fifteen (15) years...

You. Are. Wrong.

AsylumGuido 07-22-2021 05:24 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923530)
Again, this is your post using data that is wrong as Sean Payton has only been HC since 2006, that's fifteen (15) years...

You. Are. Wrong.
Yawn. :rolleyes:

jeanpierre 07-22-2021 06:48 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923532)
Yawn. :rolleyes:
Reality ---> You. Were. Wrong.

jeanpierre 07-22-2021 06:51 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 

AsylumGuido 07-22-2021 08:57 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923537)
Reality ---> You. Were. Wrong.
You. Are. Psychotic.

jeanpierre 07-23-2021 12:12 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923541)
You. Are. Psychotic.
No, your refusal to acknowledge reality, clearly presented before you, says you have a unaddressed pathology...

Broken Record Method of dealing with your pathological behaviour is to drive home the reality - You. Were. Wrong.

You may want to read this - Guy Winch, PhD/Psychology Today | Why Certain People Will Never Admit They Were Wrong

The article will offer insight for those who suffer from your pathology here...

If you want to be a better person, you should seek professional help to grow, accept, and admit that you were wrong...

FinSaint 07-23-2021 04:49 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
You guys go round and round pickering about trivial things like little children causing all sorts of negativity on these boards.

I'm tempted to block the both of you, but you both acutually post something meaningful and unrelated to your personal feud every now and then, so I'd like to avoid doing that.

While I don't agree with AG on a lot of things - I have admit he has a point here that you JP have claimed numerous times on multiple threads that SP avoids drafting players from LSU while the statistics clearly do not support that claim (15 or 20 year span), so you could just admit your bias and the both of you could move on from this subject.

halloween 65 07-23-2021 06:51 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 923558)
You guys go round and round pickering about trivial things like little children causing all sorts of negativity on these boards.

I'm tempted to block the both of you, but you both acutually post something meaningful and unrelated to your personal feud every now and then, so I'd like to avoid doing that.

While I don't agree with AG on a lot of things - I have admit he has a point here that you JP have claimed numerous times on multiple threads that SP avoids drafting players from LSU while the statistics clearly do not support that claim (15 or 20 year span), so you could just admit your bias and the both of you could move on from this subject.
And on JP"s behalf, I believe this is the first time he has been like this to anyone on this thread. AG not so much, he get's like this a whole lot. Let it play out. I believe it's more to it than LSU players Fin.

jeanpierre 07-23-2021 10:02 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 923558)
You guys go round and round pickering about trivial things like little children causing all sorts of negativity on these boards.

I'm tempted to block the both of you, but you both acutually post something meaningful and unrelated to your personal feud every now and then, so I'd like to avoid doing that.

While I don't agree with AG on a lot of things - I have admit he has a point here that you JP have claimed numerous times on multiple threads that SP avoids drafting players from LSU while the statistics clearly do not support that claim (15 or 20 year span), so you could just admit your bias and the both of you could move on from this subject.
Do what you must, #Block away!

FinSaint 07-23-2021 04:27 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923583)
Do what you must, #Block away!
You two could do us all a favor and continue your quarrel through direct messages, and you can hashtag that as well.

AsylumGuido 07-23-2021 06:42 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 923639)
You two could do us all a favor and continue your quarrel through direct messages, and you can hashtag that as well.
:roflmao:

jeanpierre 07-24-2021 12:42 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by FinSaint (Post 923639)
You two could do us all a favor and continue your quarrel through direct messages, and you can hashtag that as well.
Do what you must, #Block away!

jeanpierre 07-24-2021 12:54 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923378)
No, the Saints' LSU draft picks, or lack there of, have almost no affect on the overall percentages. I will repost these numbers ...

1.) There are 778 colleges and universities in the United States with football programs according to footballfoundation.org as of June 28, 2018.

2.) Over the past twenty years those 778 sources have provided approximately 5,120 players to the NFL via the draft (20 years times 256 players).

3.) Over the past twenty years there have been 120 LSU players drafted. That comes out to an average of six LSU players drafted per year.

4.) In those last twenty years 2.3% of the players drafted league wide have been from LSU.

5.) Over the last twenty years the Saints have drafted approximately 140 players.

6.) Over the last twenty years the Saints have drafted three LSU players.

7.) Over the last twenty years 2.14% of the players the Saints have drafted have been from LSU. That's pretty much the league average. That means they are likely right about the median as far as drafting LSU players compared to the rest of the league. Half the teams have probably drafted more LSU players and half the teams have probably drafted less.

So, removing the Saints numbers from the overall league wide numbers we will recalculate.

Players drafted past twenty years minus Saints draftees: 5120 - 140 = 4980

LSU players drafted last twenty years minus Saints draftees: 120 - 3 = 117

Percentage of LSU players drafted overall with the Saints not included: 117/4980 = 2.349%

Your statement: "in fact, if you did the gymnastic scoring thing, and took the Saints out of it, that number would double..."

Oh, my! It looks like you were wrong!

;)


Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923386)
Post was about Payton hating LSU, and Sean has only been here since 2006, this is 2021; do you need math tutoring in addition to reading comprehension?

Don't even have to drag you anymore, you're doing it yourself - So you killed you're own lengthy, but faulty argument with 20 years...

Thanks for playing, you're #WrongAgain...

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Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923394)
You asked for an example to show when you were wrong, and you provided it...

I'm sure in your zeal you thought you had something, must be deflating to have based all those stats on incorrect parameters...

And in so far as LSU, I'm an SEC first - I favor the strongest team in the conference that year, so I can't claim to be a LSU diehard homer...

So your assumption is wrong as well...
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923541)
You. Are. Psychotic.
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923557)
No, your refusal to acknowledge reality, clearly presented before you, says you have a unaddressed pathology...

Broken Record Method of dealing with your pathological behaviour is to drive home the reality - You. Were. Wrong.

(Some of) You may want to read this - Guy Winch, PhD/Psychology Today | Why Certain People Will Never Admit They Were Wrong

The article will offer insight for those who suffer from your pathology here...

If you want to be a better person, you should seek professional help to grow, accept, and admit that you were wrong...
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Originally Posted by halloween 65 (Post 923559)
And on JP"s behalf, I believe this is the first time he has been like this to anyone on this thread. AG not so much, he get's like this a whole lot. Let it play out. I believe it's more to it than LSU players Fin.
This is about an insecure ego acting in bad faith, not admitting he made a faulted argument and he's wrong for doing so, and saying he was wrong...

And this is one of many exchanges with this same person who's made mistakes but his fragile ego won't allow him to say he was wrong...

Further, I'm not going to DM a bunch of folks here to win the hearts, favours...

(Disclosure: I've DM'd one person here who I consider a kindred spirit, to clarify that my post(s) were not misinterpreted, directed at that user)...

Fin, sure you mean well, but if you don't care for the discussion, you're free to move on from this thread, but this is long overdue...

AsylumGuido 07-24-2021 12:20 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 923676)
This is about an insecure ego acting in bad faith, not admitting he made a faulted argument and he's wrong for doing so, and saying he was wrong...

And this is one of many exchanges with this same person who's made mistakes but his fragile ego won't allow him to say he was wrong...

Further, I'm not going to DM a bunch of folks here to win the hearts, favours...

(Disclosure: I've DM'd one person here who I consider a kindred spirit, to clarify that my post(s) were not misinterpreted, directed at that user)...

Fin, sure you mean well, but if you don't care for the discussion, you're free to move on from this thread, but this is long overdue...
If you'd go back several pages you would see that I did indeed say that I used a faulty parameter and admitted that was technically wrong. Not sure how you missed that. I've been wrong here over the years on a far greater scale than that in the past, as have us all.

You must have been so absorbed in your attacks that you overlooked that detail.

As for exchanges we have had where I was wrong ... can you give a few examples since you claim there have been MANY? I know there have been many things we have disagreed about, but just because my opinion is different than yours it doesn't make me wrong and you right.

jeanpierre 07-25-2021 08:54 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
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Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 923697)
If you'd go back several pages you would see that I did indeed say that I used a faulty parameter and admitted that was technically wrong. Not sure how you missed that. I've been wrong here over the years on a far greater scale than that in the past, as have us all.

You must have been so absorbed in your attacks that you overlooked that detail.

As for exchanges we have had where I was wrong ... can you give a few examples since you claim there have been MANY? I know there have been many things we have disagreed about, but just because my opinion is different than yours it doesn't make me wrong and you right.
You can't just say your right, I was wrong, you have to qualify it, and not immediately; but glad to see you're trying to get past it - so 'Atta Boy!

Go back and check the civility of other interactions here (sure you may have looked through some of mine) and you'll see for several here we're more contrite, sincere...

That's the model to aim...


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