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MarchingOn 05-04-2021 07:55 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Here is the Draft I wish we had (well, because that's who I would've picked on my pre-draft wish list)

1st #28, Safety Moehrig. Went $43. No idea why. Draft gurus would say I reached. Yeah, to help myself to success. Please pass so I can reach.

2nd #60, Edge Boogie Bashram. Went the next pick. Woulda loved to call that name all the time.

And, because I'm not silly enough to trade away two 3rd round picks:

3rd #98, CB Elijah Molden. There because he's 5' 10". Went #100. Surely would've at least been discussed in our draft room (given the bloodline connection to NO) and THERE if only we'd not "traded up" once again. I would've pounded the table then (maybe held my breath, too).

3rd #105, LB Jabril Cox, LSU. Went #115. No idea why he fell so far but I would've ignored it. Dallas did. Another table-pounding. They better know something (or get a new table).

4th #133. DT Daviyon Nixon, Iowa. Went #158 to Carolina (who know how to pick DTs).

Also, the chart Guido shared on historical ranking of best picks by round shows DL the best pick in the 4th at 37% starters. Go with the odds.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/...draft-by-round

Would've taken NT Shelvin LSU if still there, but he went #122. I would've said, where's SP when you need him?

6th #218. CB Tay Gowan, UCF. Went #223 because he opted out of 2020 season. Silly. Maybe Molden IS too short (but I doubt it).

And, because I'm not silly enough to trade away picks when the draft value charts practically give away a pick in the 7th:

7th #229. TE Soehner. Had him on my pre-draft "wish list" because he's 6/7", 272lbs, and can block and is underated for the catch. And that's the only way to get a Kelce in the late rounds.
But, we got him UDFA, hurray finally got one the FO agreed with. And they paid him like 120K.

7th #255. DT Josiah Bronson. Why not? Saints gave him $140K (the most) to sign him. He coulda been a draft-evader (with Carter not around to give him amnesty). Why risk it--that's why they call it a "Draft."

I also had on my list (instead of Bronson above) to use this last pick on Ar'Darius Washington, the "other TCU Safety". There because he's 5'8", 178 lbs. In the 7th, I say "to hell with the odds."

Wouldn't it be cool to have 2 safeties (Moehrig and Washington) who just excelled together and see if synergy and immediate cohesion translates? Because, it did at least once.

https://www.espn.com/blog/san-franci...er-bowl-titles

"In 1981, the 49ers went DB crazy in the draft, selecting Ronnie Lott in the first round, Eric Wright as the second of two second-rounders, Carlton Williamson in the third round and Lynn Thomas in the fifth.

Lott and Wright were immediate starters at cornerback as rookies, while Williamson started at strong safety that first year. The revamped Niners secondary served as a springboard on the defensive side of the ball for the NFL's team of the '80s."

Totally ruined my childhood and the 80s in one draft.

st thomas 05-04-2021 09:05 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarchingOn (Post 920202)
Here is the Draft I wish we had (well, because that's who I would've picked on my pre-draft wish list)

1st #28, Safety Moehrig. Went $43. No idea why. Draft gurus would say I reached. Yeah, to help myself to success. Please pass so I can reach.

2nd #60, Edge Boogie Bashram. Went the next pick. Woulda loved to call that name all the time.

And, because I'm not silly enough to trade away two 3rd round picks:

3rd #98, CB Elijah Molden. There because he's 5' 10". Went #100. Surely would've at least been discussed in our draft room (given the bloodline connection to NO) and THERE if only we'd not "traded up" once again. I would've pounded the table then (maybe held my breath, too).

3rd #105, LB Jabril Cox, LSU. Went #115. No idea why he fell so far but I would've ignored it. Dallas did. Another table-pounding. They better know something (or get a new table).

4th #133. DT Daviyon Nixon, Iowa. Went #158 to Carolina (who know how to pick DTs).

Also, the chart Guido shared on historical ranking of best picks by round shows DL the best pick in the 4th at 37% starters. Go with the odds.

https://www.arrowheadpride.com/2015/...draft-by-round

Would've taken NT Shelvin LSU if still there, but he went #122. I would've said, where's SP when you need him?

6th #218. CB Tay Gowan, UCF. Went #223 because he opted out of 2020 season. Silly. Maybe Molden IS too short (but I doubt it).

And, because I'm not silly enough to trade away picks when the draft value charts practically give away a pick in the 7th:

7th #229. TE Soehner. Had him on my pre-draft "wish list" because he's 6/7", 272lbs, and can block and is underated for the catch. And that's the only way to get a Kelce in the late rounds.
But, we got him UDFA, hurray finally got one the FO agreed with. And they paid him like 120K.

7th #255. DT Josiah Bronson. Why not? Saints gave him $140K (the most) to sign him. He coulda been a draft-evader (with Carter not around to give him amnesty). Why risk it--that's why they call it a "Draft."

I also had on my list (instead of Bronson above) to use this last pick on Ar'Darius Washington, the "other TCU Safety". There because he's 5'8", 178 lbs. In the 7th, I say "to hell with the odds."

Wouldn't it be cool to have 2 safeties (Moehrig and Washington) who just excelled together and see if synergy and immediate cohesion translates? Because, it did at least once.

https://www.espn.com/blog/san-franci...er-bowl-titles

"In 1981, the 49ers went DB crazy in the draft, selecting Ronnie Lott in the first round, Eric Wright as the second of two second-rounders, Carlton Williamson in the third round and Lynn Thomas in the fifth.

Lott and Wright were immediate starters at cornerback as rookies, while Williamson started at strong safety that first year. The revamped Niners secondary served as a springboard on the defensive side of the ball for the NFL's team of the '80s."

Totally ruined my childhood and the 80s in one draft.

They were some machines


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AsylumGuido 05-05-2021 08:17 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by MarchingOn (Post 920198)
Khairi Fortt in the 4th #126 in the infamous 2014 Draft. We said, who?

Stephone Anthony in the 1st #31, 2015.
(Should've taken Eric Kendricks but everyone thought he was too small. Still starting and excelling (just like his brother--and that was a clue) w/ the Vikes. 2019 Pro Bowl)

Even worse: Kikaha in the 2nd #44, 2015.

Even worse, Davis Tull in the 4th #148, 2015.
Enough said. Was the scouting team fired after 2014 or 2015, I forget.

Not a "blunder", but a disappointment: Anzalone in the 3rd #76, 2017.
So "athletic" we let him go FA after sitting him when we got Kwon Alexander. I hated his play in the Sr Bowl. Did the FO watch?

Another disappointment: Martez Wilson in the 3rd #72 (kinda hi to miss), 2011. Should've never started but since he did, not a blunder.

These fit the our draft formula: fast, big enough, and athletic but not a good LB. And ignore medicals.
Note that Fort was the responsibility of the scouting department that was canned following the 2014 season. Same with Wilson in 2011. Anthony, Kikaha, and Tull were all picked in that void where the fired staff had done all of the scouting up until January 20, 2015 and Ireland's crew came on shortly before the draft.

None worked out, but I wouldn't call them drafting blunders.

blun·der
/ˈbləndər/

a stupid or careless mistake.
"she stopped, finally aware of the terrible blunder she had made"

I gave the two times that the Vikings were late turning in their pick cards as examples. Those would be classified as blunders. Having a pick not be a success isn't a blunder. It happens to 2/3rd's of all picks to some degree according to the chart you shared that I had posted. It is the nature of the draft. It is simply a bad pick based upon any number of factors.

jeanpierre 05-05-2021 08:45 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 920218)
Note that Fort was the responsibility of the scouting department that was canned following the 2014 season. Same with Wilson in 2011. Anthony, Kikaha, and Tull were all picked in that void where the fired staff had done all of the scouting up until January 20, 2015 and Ireland's crew came on shortly before the draft.

None worked out, but I wouldn't call them drafting blunders.

blun·der
/ˈbləndər/

a stupid or careless mistake.
"she stopped, finally aware of the terrible blunder she had made"

I gave the two times that the Vikings were late turning in their pick cards as examples. Those would be classified as blunders. Having a pick not be a success isn't a blunder. It happens to 2/3rd's of all picks to some degree according to the chart you shared that I had posted. It is the nature of the draft. It is simply a bad pick based upon any number of factors.
And who kept that scouting department in place from '06 until they were sacked after '14?

jeanpierre 05-05-2021 08:48 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Wow, so now we're to believe they were leaking Farley as the target so as to prevent possible Jameis' confidence-shaking and butt-hurt...

So Mac Jones is Sean's type?

AsylumGuido 05-05-2021 11:05 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 920221)
And who kept that scouting department in place from '06 until they were sacked after '14?
That has nothing to do with today. Once again you dwell upon the past. Can you never let something go? On, and on, and on, and on, in aeternum.

Have you never made a questionable decision in the past? When it comes to the Saints front office your criticism goes far beyond the standard for some strange reason. In the scheme of things missing on a draft choice here or there is meaningless. It happens all the time and will continue to happen.

https://omgquotes.com/wp-content/upl...-let-it-go.jpg

ChrisXVI 05-07-2021 03:53 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
This draft could not have gone any worse for the Saints. First they tried to trade into the top 10 for CB’s Horn or Surtain... no deal. Then, they tried trading in front of the Patriots for Mac Jones... no deal. They end up stuck at 28 and pick Davenport 2.0 with Sean Payton doing a presser afterwards sounding so defeated and pulling stuff out of his a$$ to talk up the pick.

Now in the 2nd round this happened:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0zmNUNW...jpg&name=large

We end up stuck with a two-down LB instead.

At least we got CB Paulson Adebo... the saving grace of this draft class.

K Major 05-07-2021 04:11 PM
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C'mon Chris, are you sure about that? I think it would be fun to re live some of the prognostications by some here on players taken 3 short seasons ago.

"Why would we take a o lineman in the 1st round when we could get one in the 2nd or 3rd" … result All Pro Ryan Ramz.

"No way I would have moved up to get a RB in 3rd from Tenn that no one ever heard of." … All Pro Alvin Kamara.

"I doubt he will develop. Limited pass rushing moves". Trey Hendrickson (tied for 2nd in sacks in 2020) & got paid by Cincy.

We …. don't …. know …. anything.

The 2021 draft class could be full of ballers 3 seasons from now.

Trust the process.

ChrisXVI 05-07-2021 04:18 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Those are other people’s opinions... not mine. I’ve loved many of the picks we’ve made that others have hated.

AsylumGuido 05-07-2021 05:05 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by K Major (Post 920375)
C'mon Chris, are you sure about that? I think it would be fun to re live some of the prognostications by some here on players taken 3 short seasons ago.

"Why would we take a o lineman in the 1st round when we could get one in the 2nd or 3rd" … result All Pro Ryan Ramz.

"No way I would have moved up to get a RB in 3rd from Tenn that no one ever heard of." … All Pro Alvin Kamara.

"I doubt he will develop. Limited pass rushing moves". Trey Hendrickson (tied for 2nd in sacks in 2020) & got paid by Cincy.

We …. don't …. know …. anything.

The 2021 draft class could be full of ballers 3 seasons from now.

Trust the process.
Amen, my Brother!

AsylumGuido 05-07-2021 05:06 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by ChrisXVI (Post 920373)
This draft could not have gone any worse for the Saints. First they tried to trade into the top 10 for CB’s Horn or Surtain... no deal. Then, they tried trading in front of the Patriots for Mac Jones... no deal. They end up stuck at 28 and pick Davenport 2.0 with Sean Payton doing a presser afterwards sounding so defeated and pulling stuff out of his a$$ to talk up the pick.

Now in the 2nd round this happened:

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E0zmNUNW...jpg&name=large

We end up stuck with a two-down LB instead.

At least we got CB Paulson Adebo... the saving grace of this draft class.
So was all of this sarcasm, other's opinions, or were they yours? I'm confused.

ChrisXVI 05-07-2021 06:03 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
All of your highlighted stuff has been confirmed.

jeanpierre 05-08-2021 08:14 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
[quote=AsylumGuido;920236]That has nothing to do with today. Once again you dwell upon the past. Can you never let something go? On, and on, and on, and on, in aeternum.

Have you never made a questionable decision in the past? When it comes to the Saints front office your criticism goes far beyond the standard for some strange reason. In the scheme of things missing on a draft choice here or there is meaningless. It happens all the time and will continue to happen.

https://blackandgold.com/u/5271-albu...icture1444.gif


The only reason my criticism goes further than the Saints Press Corps is because the Saints via Greg Bensel will put a Saints journalist in the cold...

In other words, they'd have no access, no story, no job, no income and those folks have families dependent on staying in the Saints' good graces...

Whereas, post opinions here, backed by the cited history of mistakes of a management team that's wasted prime Brees' years because they're not accountable...

You ask someone to let it go when you won't refuse to unconditionally admit when you're specifically wrong, nor will you cite at least one of Sean Payton's personnel gaffes...

Better buckle up, buttercup, short of death, the criticism isn't going to stop when they continue to fumble in their moves...

And if all you want is rainbows and lollipops, well, grab your pom-poms and give Jesse a call, sure he loved some company on the Saintsations...

AsylumGuido 05-09-2021 09:49 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
[quote=jeanpierre;920412]
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 920236)
That has nothing to do with today. Once again you dwell upon the past. Can you never let something go? On, and on, and on, and on, in aeternum.

Have you never made a questionable decision in the past? When it comes to the Saints front office your criticism goes far beyond the standard for some strange reason. In the scheme of things missing on a draft choice here or there is meaningless. It happens all the time and will continue to happen.

https://blackandgold.com/u/5271-albu...icture1444.gif


The only reason my criticism goes further than the Saints Press Corps is because the Saints via Greg Bensel will put a Saints journalist in the cold...

In other words, they'd have no access, no story, no job, no income and those folks have families dependent on staying in the Saints' good graces...

Whereas, post opinions here, backed by the cited history of mistakes of a management team that's wasted prime Brees' years because they're not accountable...

You ask someone to let it go when you won't refuse to unconditionally admit when you're specifically wrong, nor will you cite at least one of Sean Payton's personnel gaffes...

Better buckle up, buttercup, short of death, the criticism isn't going to stop when they continue to fumble in their moves...

And if all you want is rainbows and lollipops, well, grab your pom-poms and give Jesse a call, sure he loved some company on the Saintsations...
Homophobic much? :D

"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it" is directed toward those that have the history. I'm not sure who your target is in the constant repetitions slamming the front office. Nothing you say or do is going to have any impact whatsoever on someone else's success or failure to learn from history.

As a famous B&G orator once said, "Could'a, would'a, should'a ... what if?"

:bng:

jeanpierre 05-09-2021 12:53 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
[quote=AsylumGuido;920429]
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 920412)

Homophobic much? :D

"Those that fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it" is directed toward those that have the history. I'm not sure who your target is in the constant repetitions slamming the front office. Nothing you say or do is going to have any impact whatsoever on someone else's success or failure to learn from history.

As a famous B&G orator once said, "Could'a, would'a, should'a ... what if?"

:bng:
So you basically have nothing but your usual gibberish, in this case name calling because you can't win an argument...

AsylumGuido 05-09-2021 01:39 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
[quote=jeanpierre;920433]
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 920429)

So you basically have nothing but your usual gibberish, in this case name calling because you can't win an argument...
Name calling? I thought you were the one that suggested I hang out with Jesse of the Saintsations? LOL! Sounds to me you were questioning my manhood because I refuse to dwell on things that you consider "gaffes" or "blunders". ;)

As for not winning an argument, I'm still not getting where you come up with all of these supposed "gaffes" and "blunders" that you are constantly attempting to pin on Sean Payton? I still don't see anything I would label a "gaffe" or a "blunder" on his part. You seem as though you feel he is incompetent. I do know the front office have made some decisions with which you personally disagree, but there has never been a front office that didn't have detractors at times concerning personnel moves. As I have pointed out many times, the draft is an inexact science. EVERY front office in the history of the NFL draft have made decisions that did not work out. That does not make them "gaffes" or "blunders". Have you considered that you yourself may be wrong on occasion when you disagree with moves they have made? Every free agent move doesn't end in success, either. Welcome to the world of NFL football.

:bng:

jeanpierre 05-09-2021 01:50 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
[quote=AsylumGuido;920434]
Quote:
Originally Posted by jeanpierre (Post 920433)

Name calling? I thought you were the one that suggested I hang out with Jesse of the Saintsations? LOL! Sounds to me you were questioning my manhood because I refuse to dwell on things that you consider "gaffes" or "blunders". ;)

As for not winning an argument, I'm still not getting where you come up with all of these supposed "gaffes" and "blunders" that you are constantly attempting to pin on Sean Payton? I still don't see anything I would label a "gaffe" or a "blunder" on his part. You seem as though you feel he is incompetent. I do know the front office have made some decisions with which you personally disagree, but there has never been a front office that didn't have detractors at times concerning personnel moves. As I have pointed out many times, the draft is an inexact science. EVERY front office in the history of the NFL draft have made decisions that did not work out. That does not make them "gaffes" or "blunders". Have you considered that you yourself may be wrong on occasion when you disagree with moves they have made? Every free agent move doesn't end in success, either. Welcome to the world of NFL football.

:bng:
You called me homophobic; there was nothing in my statement that was homophobic; that's basically libel, and as an educated journalist, you should've known that...

But based on contemporary journalism, or overall lack thereof, you'll give yourself a pass...

AsylumGuido 05-09-2021 02:04 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
[quote=jeanpierre;920435]
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 920434)

You called me homophobic; there was nothing in my statement that was homophobic; that's basically libel, and as an educated journalist, you should've know that...

But based on contemporary journalism, or overall lack thereof, you'll give yourself a pass...
I apologize, JP. My man card was crimped there being labeled a Saintsation wannabe. ;)

But, back to the discussion at hand ... what are these so-called "gaffes" and "blunders"?

Rugby Saint II 05-10-2021 11:22 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
It's time for a song to lighten the mood. I wish I knew how to download What a Wonderful World by "Sachmo" Louis Armstrong.

st thomas 05-10-2021 01:41 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Who’s Jesse, if she’s a gal I’ll hang out with her. [emoji182]


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AsylumGuido 05-10-2021 01:54 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by st thomas (Post 920491)
Who’s Jesse, if she’s a gal I’ll hang out with her. [emoji182]


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https://static.clubs.nfl.com/image/p...hihdgeufse.jpg

AsylumGuido 05-10-2021 01:57 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 920478)
It's time for a song to lighten the mood. I wish I knew how to download What a Wonderful World by "Sachmo" Louis Armstrong.

jeanpierre 05-10-2021 09:39 PM
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https://media.giphy.com/media/U5D3kb...73qJ/giphy.gif

SmashMouth 05-11-2021 08:32 AM
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vpheughan 05-13-2021 03:05 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Something to think about while COULD'A, WOULD'A, SHOULD'A AND WHAT IFFING over the Saints draft.

I know it's Baseball but just an example of how wrong "scouting" can be:

MAKES ONE WONDER IF THEY DID IT THE "RIGHT WAY" HMMMMM.

Mike Trout “Could be a decent regular, nothing more.”

Lol. Trout is a 3x AL MVP and four-time AL MVP Runner-up. The furthest he’s ever fished out of the MVP race is 4th, in 2017, when he slashed .306/.442/.629 with 33 homers … because he played only 114 games.

To be fair, Trout isn’t the only player The Show got *completely* wrong. Back in 2004, they argued that Miguel Cabrera (future Hall-of-Famer) “may be a career minor league outfielder.”

vpheughan 05-14-2021 06:59 AM
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Now for Football EGGSPURTS:

Russell Wilson, Quarterback:
The Sporting News had him of nine players who had the worst Senior Bowl performances. It predicted Wilson would go undrafted and sign somewhere as a free agent. Keep in mind this was only three months before the actual draft. The biggest issue was his height — he measured under 5-11 at the combine — and NFL.com said “it remains to be seen if he can throw effectively from the pocket at the next level.”


Julian Edelman, Wide receiver:
The Patriots took the former Kent State quarterback in the seventh round. This is the most insulting line: “Perhaps he’s just a camp arm to get the wide receivers some more work. It’s unlikely Edelman is being brought to New England to make an impact.” The report also noted he did not have a true position in the NFL at 5-foot-10, 198 pounds and that he might lack durability.

The Indianapolis Colts’ Entire 1992 Draft

You’d think NFL teams only hired the absolute best scouts on the market, right? Well, the Indianapolis Colts had the first AND second picks in the ’92 draft. Do you know how many Pro Bowls first-overall selection Steve Emtman and second-overall pick Quentin Coryatt combined to make?

Zero.

In fact, out of Indy’s 13 picks that year, second-round pick Ashley Ambrose was the only player to reach a Pro Bowl. He did that once in 1996. The 1992 draft is considered one of the worst of all time and is only the second draft ever to produce ZERO Hall of Famers.


J.J. Watt:

A reporter with CultureMap Houston heralded Auburn’s Nick Fairley as a player who’d “collect Pro Bowl berths for years to come.” In contrast, he referred to the Houston Texans’ 11th overall pick as “Pizza Boy J.J. Watt.”

“Watt is a great story. But it’s hard to imagine him ever being a star,” the article reads. “It’s hard to see him changing games for Houston on defense.”

K Major 05-14-2021 08:53 AM
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That reporter really got it wrong on the Texans player … apparently he watched very little film on Watt at Wisconsin :(.


Not to mention Russ and Julian :rolleyes:. You can't measure heart.

vpheughan 05-14-2021 11:17 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
More Food For Thought all were picked in the First Round:

• Robert Griffin III (2012 by Redskins)
• Ryan Tannehill (2012 by Dolphins)
• Brandon Weeden (2012 by Browns)
• E.J. Manuel (2013 by Bills)
• Blake Bortles (2014 by Jaguars)
• Johnny Manziel (2014 by Browns)
• Teddy Bridgewater (2014 by Vikings)
• Jameis Winston (2015 by Buccaneers)
• Marcus Mariota (2015 by Titans)
• Jared Goff (2016 by Rams)
• Carson Wentz (2016 by Eagles)
• Paxton Lynch (2016 by Broncos)


When guys like Christian Ponder, John Sullivan and Daunte Culpepper are considered good, great and legendary picks respectively, it shows, at least on a relative scale, how difficult it is to draft a quality starter.

Add to that the fact that a little over 2 out of every 3 players drafted are a bust - with over half (53%) of all draft picks adding no value to the team that drafted them- and 9 out of 10 have basically undistinguished careers in the NFL.

jeanpierre 05-22-2021 02:24 PM
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jeanpierre 05-22-2021 02:27 PM
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AsylumGuido 05-22-2021 02:43 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Draft grades are completely meaningless until at least three years after the fact. You have nothing to base the grade upon at this early point. No meaningful baseline. The grade is based upon the evaluation of the person doing the grading and unless they have a time machine their evaluations are unfounded.

Rugby Saint II 05-22-2021 04:34 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by AsylumGuido (Post 921019)
Draft grades are completely meaningless until at least three years after the fact. You have nothing to base the grade upon at this early point. No meaningful baseline. The grade is based upon the evaluation of the person doing the grading and unless they have a time machine their evaluations are unfounded.
That must be why my teacher always graded me on a curve.

jeanpierre 05-24-2021 03:36 AM
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Rugby Saint II 05-24-2021 10:51 AM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
I keep reading that Werner was a third round draft pick. Am I stupid or is it still the media?

vpheughan 05-24-2021 01:13 PM
Re: 2021 NFL Draft: New Orleans Saints
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II (Post 921087)
I keep reading that Werner was a third round draft pick. Am I stupid or is it still the media?
What was Pierre Thomas projected round?
What was Wil Lutz?
What was Deonte Harris?
What was Marques Callaway?
What was Taysom Hill?

I remember names like Paxton Lynch, Brice Petty and of course the Saints should have jumped all over....... BOW YOUR HEADS BECAUSE
"IT'S THE RIGHT WAY" NICK FOLES!!! How do you like them now?

jeanpierre 05-26-2021 08:28 AM
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