Deshawn Watson.... should we?

Rsanders24 · 01-28-2021, 11:53 AM

I would never say no to acquiring a player of his magnitude but only if it makes sense.

Like Rez said...Can we? Without gutting the team or losing all our draft capital? I don’t think we are going to be able to get in a position to acquire Watson because we don’t have enough flexibility. This year we are going to have to hope for another great draft haul with our picks....inexpensive players to help get our cap under control.

Boston Saint · 01-28-2021, 12:07 PM

Originally Posted by Rsanders24

I would never say no to acquiring a player of his magnitude but only if it makes sense.

Like Rez said...Can we? Without gutting the team or losing all our draft capital? I don’t think we are going to be able to get in a position to acquire Watson because we don’t have enough flexibility. This year we are going to have to hope for another great draft haul with our picks....inexpensive players to help get our cap under control.

I’m not necessarily anti-Watson, but what exactly is “his magnitude”? I haven’t seen Watson do a thing that Winston can’t/hasn’t done. The idea of giving up multiple draft picks to obtain him is mind-blowing to me !

SaintGnome · 01-28-2021, 12:08 PM

Originally Posted by rezburna

Tom Brady asked for AB and Fournette. He seemed to have a lot of influence on front office moves. Brees was the same way.

Taking the advice of your star player on some personnel moves is not the same thing as demanding input in who runs my team. To me it's not even close.

lee909 · 01-28-2021, 12:10 PM

Would absoloutley love to see Deshawn in a Saints jersey but with the situation the cap is and the need to retool the roster i don't think its possible. Its a shame the situation is what it is right now because there are some QB out there worth trying to get and little wiggle room to do it.

I wouldn't touch Watson,Stafford or any premium QB, focus on the next 5 years not the next 1. I'd offer the Jags one of the 2 comp picks and a conditional for Minshew. He has 2 years left on his rookie deal, so if it doesn't work out the price isn't high and you have a cheap back up for 2 years. At best you have a new QB who will be 26 when he needs a new deal. He's the cheapest and best value offer. With his cap figure it doesn't stop you drafting a QB if the chance is there either

Boston Saint · 01-28-2021, 12:18 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

Would absoloutley love to see Deshawn in a Saints jersey but with the situation the cap is and the need to retool the roster i don't think its possible. Its a shame the situation is what it is right now because there are some QB out there worth trying to get and little wiggle room to do it.

I wouldn't touch Watson,Stafford or any premium QB, focus on the next 5 years not the next 1. I'd offer the Jags one of the 2 comp picks and a conditional for Minshew. He has 2 years left on his rookie deal, so if it doesn't work out the price isn't high and you have a cheap back up for 2 years. At best you have a new QB who will be 26 when he needs a new deal. He's the cheapest and best value offer. With his cap figure it doesn't stop you drafting a QB if the chance is there either

With respect Lee...I don’t think the team is in NEAR as bad a shape as you make it out to be. Solid RB, Lines, Franchise WR, bright TE prospect,...they’ve gone 8-1 without Brees. This is not a rebuild time. This is a reload time.

lee909 · 01-28-2021, 12:22 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

With respect Lee...I don’t think the team is in NEAR as bad a shape as you make it out to be. Solid RB, Lines, Franchise WR, bright TE prospect,...they’ve gone 8-1 without Brees. This is not a rebuild time. This is a reload time.

The holes in the team have been exposed there.
The team has the talent as it is right now but to keep it together you are going to have to mortage the next few years to push back the salaries of many of the players. getting under the cap is either going to mean gutting the team or cap problems or the foreseable future. right now its 95ml over the cap with only 45 players on the roster and Lattimore,Ramczyk both needing new deals, Williams,Hendrickson without a deal and only 1 QB on the roster.

Boston Saint · 01-28-2021, 01:09 PM

Originally Posted by lee909

The holes in the team have been exposed there.
The team has the talent as it is right now but to keep it together you are going to have to mortage the next few years to push back the salaries of many of the players. getting under the cap is either going to mean gutting the team or cap problems or the foreseable future. right now its 95ml over the cap with only 45 players on the roster and Lattimore,Ramczyk both needing new deals, Williams,Hendrickson without a deal and only 1 QB on the roster.

That’s Loomis’s job to rework the cap. There are many scenarios were it can be done with minimal casualty. While I do agree that you have to look to the future, you also have to look at next season. I don’t think Sean Payton,
or Michael Thomas or Alvin Kamara has signed on for a five-year plan. This team came within a Cook fumble/Hill healthy/Harris return of beating Tampa. Throwing in the towel and looking for a 5 year plan is silly.

Rugby Saint II · 01-28-2021, 01:29 PM

Get under the cap and stay competitive through the draft.

TheOak · 01-28-2021, 02:43 PM

Originally Posted by Boston Saint

That’s Loomis’s job to rework the cap. There are many scenarios were it can be done with minimal casualty. While I do agree that you have to look to the future, you also have to look at next season. I don’t think Sean Payton,
or Michael Thomas or Alvin Kamara has signed on for a five-year plan. This team came within a Cook fumble/Hill healthy/Harris return of beating Tampa. Throwing in the towel and looking for a 5 year plan is silly.

No, there aren't. When you need to free up $30M there are, for $110M there arent at all and the agents of those that need to be restructured are waiting to rake Loomis over the coals because Loomis has no options.

Our Cap issue will drag out passed the draft because there will be holdouts for restructures. This is going to get ugly. Possibly insurrection at Pat O's.

blackangold · 01-28-2021, 03:20 PM

I don't think Watson is a very good QB, and add to that he plays wild which will lead to injuries.

He has been surrounded by talent at WR for years. Usually they had a solid defense yet they struggle to win games. Watson owns a large portion of that.

In my opinion he hasn't earned the right on the field to decide who is HC or WR should be. Comparing Watson to Brady in this regard is insane.

01-28-2021, 11:53 AM	#11
Rsanders24 1000 Posts + Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Baton Rouge, LA. Posts: 1,471	Re: Deshawn Watson.... should we? I would never say no to acquiring a player of his magnitude but only if it makes sense. Like Rez said...Can we? Without gutting the team or losing all our draft capital? I don’t think we are going to be able to get in a position to acquire Watson because we don’t have enough flexibility. This year we are going to have to hope for another great draft haul with our picks....inexpensive players to help get our cap under control. Rell&Gold likes this.

01-28-2021, 12:07 PM	#12
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: Deshawn Watson.... should we? Originally Posted by Rsanders24 I would never say no to acquiring a player of his magnitude but only if it makes sense. Like Rez said...Can we? Without gutting the team or losing all our draft capital? I don’t think we are going to be able to get in a position to acquire Watson because we don’t have enough flexibility. This year we are going to have to hope for another great draft haul with our picks....inexpensive players to help get our cap under control. I’m not necessarily anti-Watson, but what exactly is “his magnitude”? I haven’t seen Watson do a thing that Winston can’t/hasn’t done. The idea of giving up multiple draft picks to obtain him is mind-blowing to me ! SmashMouth likes this.

01-28-2021, 12:08 PM	#13
SaintGnome 500th Post Join Date: Jul 2017 Location: Bradenton,FL Posts: 642	Re: Deshawn Watson.... should we? Originally Posted by rezburna Tom Brady asked for AB and Fournette. He seemed to have a lot of influence on front office moves. Brees was the same way. Taking the advice of your star player on some personnel moves is not the same thing as demanding input in who runs my team. To me it's not even close.

01-28-2021, 12:10 PM	#14
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,720 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Deshawn Watson.... should we? Would absoloutley love to see Deshawn in a Saints jersey but with the situation the cap is and the need to retool the roster i don't think its possible. Its a shame the situation is what it is right now because there are some QB out there worth trying to get and little wiggle room to do it. I wouldn't touch Watson,Stafford or any premium QB, focus on the next 5 years not the next 1. I'd offer the Jags one of the 2 comp picks and a conditional for Minshew. He has 2 years left on his rookie deal, so if it doesn't work out the price isn't high and you have a cheap back up for 2 years. At best you have a new QB who will be 26 when he needs a new deal. He's the cheapest and best value offer. With his cap figure it doesn't stop you drafting a QB if the chance is there either MatthewT and Rugby Saint II like this.
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01-28-2021, 12:18 PM	#15
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: Deshawn Watson.... should we? Originally Posted by lee909 Would absoloutley love to see Deshawn in a Saints jersey but with the situation the cap is and the need to retool the roster i don't think its possible. Its a shame the situation is what it is right now because there are some QB out there worth trying to get and little wiggle room to do it. I wouldn't touch Watson,Stafford or any premium QB, focus on the next 5 years not the next 1. I'd offer the Jags one of the 2 comp picks and a conditional for Minshew. He has 2 years left on his rookie deal, so if it doesn't work out the price isn't high and you have a cheap back up for 2 years. At best you have a new QB who will be 26 when he needs a new deal. He's the cheapest and best value offer. With his cap figure it doesn't stop you drafting a QB if the chance is there either With respect Lee...I don’t think the team is in NEAR as bad a shape as you make it out to be. Solid RB, Lines, Franchise WR, bright TE prospect,...they’ve gone 8-1 without Brees. This is not a rebuild time. This is a reload time. Rugby Saint II and WW_Who_Dat like this.

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01-28-2021, 12:22 PM	#16
lee909 Site Donor 2015 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Watford England Posts: 8,720 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Deshawn Watson.... should we? Originally Posted by Boston Saint With respect Lee...I don’t think the team is in NEAR as bad a shape as you make it out to be. Solid RB, Lines, Franchise WR, bright TE prospect,...they’ve gone 8-1 without Brees. This is not a rebuild time. This is a reload time. The holes in the team have been exposed there. The team has the talent as it is right now but to keep it together you are going to have to mortage the next few years to push back the salaries of many of the players. getting under the cap is either going to mean gutting the team or cap problems or the foreseable future. right now its 95ml over the cap with only 45 players on the roster and Lattimore,Ramczyk both needing new deals, Williams,Hendrickson without a deal and only 1 QB on the roster.

01-28-2021, 01:09 PM	#17
Boston Saint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Nov 2020 Location: Massachusetts Posts: 4,869	Re: Deshawn Watson.... should we? Originally Posted by lee909 The holes in the team have been exposed there. The team has the talent as it is right now but to keep it together you are going to have to mortage the next few years to push back the salaries of many of the players. getting under the cap is either going to mean gutting the team or cap problems or the foreseable future. right now its 95ml over the cap with only 45 players on the roster and Lattimore,Ramczyk both needing new deals, Williams,Hendrickson without a deal and only 1 QB on the roster. That’s Loomis’s job to rework the cap. There are many scenarios were it can be done with minimal casualty. While I do agree that you have to look to the future, you also have to look at next season. I don’t think Sean Payton, or Michael Thomas or Alvin Kamara has signed on for a five-year plan. This team came within a Cook fumble/Hill healthy/Harris return of beating Tampa. Throwing in the towel and looking for a 5 year plan is silly.

01-28-2021, 01:29 PM	#18
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01-28-2021, 02:43 PM	#19
TheOak 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Cypress Tx. Posts: 18,978	Re: Deshawn Watson.... should we? Originally Posted by Boston Saint That’s Loomis’s job to rework the cap. There are many scenarios were it can be done with minimal casualty. While I do agree that you have to look to the future, you also have to look at next season. I don’t think Sean Payton, or Michael Thomas or Alvin Kamara has signed on for a five-year plan. This team came within a Cook fumble/Hill healthy/Harris return of beating Tampa. Throwing in the towel and looking for a 5 year plan is silly. No, there aren't. When you need to free up $30M there are, for $110M there arent at all and the agents of those that need to be restructured are waiting to rake Loomis over the coals because Loomis has no options. Our Cap issue will drag out passed the draft because there will be holdouts for restructures. This is going to get ugly. Possibly insurrection at Pat O's. SmashMouth likes this.

01-28-2021, 03:20 PM	#20
blackangold 1000 Posts + Join Date: Aug 2011 Posts: 3,422	Re: Deshawn Watson.... should we? I don't think Watson is a very good QB, and add to that he plays wild which will lead to injuries. He has been surrounded by talent at WR for years. Usually they had a solid defense yet they struggle to win games. Watson owns a large portion of that. In my opinion he hasn't earned the right on the field to decide who is HC or WR should be. Comparing Watson to Brady in this regard is insane.