I'd like to try and get Derek Carr

BakoSaint · 12-30-2022, 11:49 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

... with no guarantee those mid round picks will actually net you a successor to Peat that isn't injured 8 years in a row.

Nothing in life is guaranteed. That is why the bum on the street does not waste time applying for a job or getting sober in hopes of improving their life. Why waste the time when there are no guarantees? Using that bums logic, why try to find the next jahri evans or carl nicks by valuing mid round picks when we have Andus Peat and we don’t know for sure a replacment of won’t be injured 8 years in a row. Anyway I’d love to buy Mickey a 40 in a paper bag. I think he would be better at drinking it than running the Saints. He could have as much as he wants now, and the consequences would come later, but he could mitigate those consquences by having even more of the same. But I am not invested in his liver, just the Saints salary cap and future, so it would work out better for me.

AsylumGuido · 12-31-2022, 09:48 AM

Originally Posted by vtiger72

Without a first round pick this year, Carr may be the only chance at finding a suitable QB for the next couple of years.

A first round pick doesn't guarantee a viable QB. Quite the contrary. The majority of first round QB picks end up being nothing more than serviceable. Most likely no better than a Winston or Dalton, actually.

halloween 65 · 01-01-2023, 03:26 PM

I'm all for getting Carr as long as they cut him.

AsylumGuido · 02-03-2023, 09:02 AM

Time to resurrect this thread?

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AsylumGuido · 02-03-2023, 09:04 AM

halloween 65 · 02-03-2023, 09:28 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Time to resurrect this thread?

https://twitter.com/RosvoglouReport/...15465435779074

I really hope we can get him. I don't think he would break the bank. Surround him with a good run game by adding a (draft)couple rb.'s, and beef up the(FA and draft) O-line, another(draft) TE and (FA only) WR. The O's woes could easily be fixed. I'm dead serious about trading Kamara, he's a great back for his skill set but not a good feature back. The comp we get for him should be a late 2nd or early 3rd.

leilung · 02-03-2023, 09:49 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

I really hope we can get him. I don't think he would break the bank. Surround him with a good run game by adding a (draft)couple rb.'s, and beef up the(FA and draft) O-line, another(draft) TE and (FA only) WR. The O's woes could easily be fixed. I'm dead serious about trading Kamara, he's a great back for his skill set but not a good feature back. The comp we get for him should be a late 2nd or early 3rd.

I get the DA connection and all, but Carr's pricetag now, as opposed to a Rookie coming in, is a substantial investment in the future of the franchise. Not sure they're ready to leap off that cliff just yet.

As far as AK41, I'd be open to see what the market could bear. He's still got gas left in the tank, but age, injuries, and a pending suspension make his value to the team questionable for 2023. Why not?

halloween 65 · 02-03-2023, 09:57 AM

Originally Posted by leilung

I get the DA connection and all, but Carr's pricetag now, as opposed to a Rookie coming in, is a substantial investment in the future of the franchise. Not sure they're ready to leap off that cliff just yet.

As far as AK41, I'd be open to see what the market could bear. He's still got gas left in the tank, but age, injuries, and a pending suspension make his value to the team questionable for 2023. Why not?

I would let the Raiders cut him, I wouldn't trade for him. I think he wouldn't break the bank on a new contract and allow us to bring in FA an draft to surround him. He's made plenty of money and wants to win.

K Major · 02-03-2023, 10:06 AM

Is Carr an "upgrade" over Dalton? Yes, certainly.

He could be competitive in a very weak NFC South division. Forward-thinking.. the Saints still need to draft a young, athletic QB to sit and develop for a year. Just don't expect dramatic change with Pete Carmichael still holding a play sheet

.

But yeah, DCarr could be a realistic option for the Saints in 2023. We'll see.

AsylumGuido · 02-03-2023, 10:10 AM

It's kind of a tricky situation with Carr. He has a contract clause that kicks in on February 15. It guarantees 2023 salary + $7.5M of 2024 salary. His 2023 salary is $32.9 million. He also has a full no trade clause.

In addition, according to the league calendar player trading is not allowed until the first day of the new league year which would be March 15.

The Raiders could theoretically cut him prior to that February 15th date in which case they get nothing in return. Or they could do a "wink/wink" deal now to take affect after the trade freeze is lifted and then book it as a post June 1st trade prorating the $40 million cap hit into 2024, as well.

In other words, if he is still on the Raiders' roster after February 15th we'll not know anything on him until a month later.

12-30-2022, 11:49 PM	#61
BakoSaint 1000 Posts + Join Date: Dec 2018 Posts: 1,744	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by AsylumGuido ... with no guarantee those mid round picks will actually net you a successor to Peat that isn't injured 8 years in a row. Nothing in life is guaranteed. That is why the bum on the street does not waste time applying for a job or getting sober in hopes of improving their life. Why waste the time when there are no guarantees? Using that bums logic, why try to find the next jahri evans or carl nicks by valuing mid round picks when we have Andus Peat and we don’t know for sure a replacment of won’t be injured 8 years in a row. Anyway I’d love to buy Mickey a 40 in a paper bag. I think he would be better at drinking it than running the Saints. He could have as much as he wants now, and the consequences would come later, but he could mitigate those consquences by having even more of the same. But I am not invested in his liver, just the Saints salary cap and future, so it would work out better for me. K Major likes this.
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12-31-2022, 09:48 AM	#62
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by vtiger72 Without a first round pick this year, Carr may be the only chance at finding a suitable QB for the next couple of years. A first round pick doesn't guarantee a viable QB. Quite the contrary. The majority of first round QB picks end up being nothing more than serviceable. Most likely no better than a Winston or Dalton, actually.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Time to resurrect this thread? https://twitter.com/RosvoglouReport/...15465435779074 I really hope we can get him. I don't think he would break the bank. Surround him with a good run game by adding a (draft)couple rb.'s, and beef up the(FA and draft) O-line, another(draft) TE and (FA only) WR. The O's woes could easily be fixed. I'm dead serious about trading Kamara, he's a great back for his skill set but not a good feature back. The comp we get for him should be a late 2nd or early 3rd.

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leilung Booty Bandit Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: The Wastelands that are NJ Posts: 1,148	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by halloween 65 I really hope we can get him. I don't think he would break the bank. Surround him with a good run game by adding a (draft)couple rb.'s, and beef up the(FA and draft) O-line, another(draft) TE and (FA only) WR. The O's woes could easily be fixed. I'm dead serious about trading Kamara, he's a great back for his skill set but not a good feature back. The comp we get for him should be a late 2nd or early 3rd. I get the DA connection and all, but Carr's pricetag now, as opposed to a Rookie coming in, is a substantial investment in the future of the franchise. Not sure they're ready to leap off that cliff just yet. As far as AK41, I'd be open to see what the market could bear. He's still got gas left in the tank, but age, injuries, and a pending suspension make his value to the team questionable for 2023. Why not? halloween 65 likes this.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Originally Posted by leilung I get the DA connection and all, but Carr's pricetag now, as opposed to a Rookie coming in, is a substantial investment in the future of the franchise. Not sure they're ready to leap off that cliff just yet. As far as AK41, I'd be open to see what the market could bear. He's still got gas left in the tank, but age, injuries, and a pending suspension make his value to the team questionable for 2023. Why not? I would let the Raiders cut him, I wouldn't trade for him. I think he wouldn't break the bank on a new contract and allow us to bring in FA an draft to surround him. He's made plenty of money and wants to win.

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K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,018 Blog Entries: 3	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr Is Carr an "upgrade" over Dalton? Yes, certainly. He could be competitive in a very weak NFC South division. Forward-thinking.. the Saints still need to draft a young, athletic QB to sit and develop for a year. Just don't expect dramatic change with Pete Carmichael still holding a play sheet . But yeah, DCarr could be a realistic option for the Saints in 2023. We'll see. halloween 65 likes this.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 24,391	Re: I'd like to try and get Derek Carr It's kind of a tricky situation with Carr. He has a contract clause that kicks in on February 15. It guarantees 2023 salary + $7.5M of 2024 salary. His 2023 salary is $32.9 million. He also has a full no trade clause. In addition, according to the league calendar player trading is not allowed until the first day of the new league year which would be March 15. The Raiders could theoretically cut him prior to that February 15th date in which case they get nothing in return. Or they could do a "wink/wink" deal now to take affect after the trade freeze is lifted and then book it as a post June 1st trade prorating the $40 million cap hit into 2024, as well. In other words, if he is still on the Raiders' roster after February 15th we'll not know anything on him until a month later.
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