AsylumGuido

halloween 65

I really hope we can get him. I don't think he would break the bank. Surround him with a good run game by adding a (draft)couple rb.'s, and beef up the(FA and draft) O-line, another(draft) TE and (FA only) WR. The O's woes could easily be fixed. I'm dead serious about trading Kamara, he's a great back for his skill set but not a good feature back. The comp we get for him should be a late 2nd or early 3rd.

leilung

I get the DA connection and all, but Carr's pricetag now, as opposed to a Rookie coming in, is a substantial investment in the future of the franchise. Not sure they're ready to leap off that cliff just yet.

As far as AK41, I'd be open to see what the market could bear. He's still got gas left in the tank, but age, injuries, and a pending suspension make his value to the team questionable for 2023. Why not?

halloween 65

I would let the Raiders cut him, I wouldn't trade for him. I think he wouldn't break the bank on a new contract and allow us to bring in FA an draft to surround him. He's made plenty of money and wants to win.

AsylumGuido

It's kind of a tricky situation with Carr. He has a contract clause that kicks in on February 15. It guarantees 2023 salary + $7.5M of 2024 salary. His 2023 salary is $32.9 million. He also has a full no trade clause.

In addition, according to the league calendar player trading is not allowed until the first day of the new league year which would be March 15.

The Raiders could theoretically cut him prior to that February 15th date in which case they get nothing in return. Or they could do a "wink/wink" deal now to take affect after the trade freeze is lifted and then book it as a post June 1st trade prorating the $40 million cap hit into 2024, as well.

In other words, if he is still on the Raiders' roster after February 15th we'll not know anything on him until a month later.

“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

AsylumGuido

Buzz is building on Saints potentially teaming up with Raiders QB Derek Carr

John Sigler
February 3, 2023 11:29 am CT

Derek Carr, New Orleans Saints quarterback? It’s more likely than you think. The Saints were instantly linked to Carr when the Las Vegas Raiders made their intentions of moving on from him clear a month ago, and speculation has only gotten louder about the Saints being players in Carr’s sweepstakes (when and if they develop). Carr has a no-trade clause written into his contract that he can waive at his discretion, as well as a Feb. 15 trigger date that guarantees $40.4 million.

And the Raiders are trying to control this process by refusing to allow Carr’s agent to negotiate a trade, making an attempt at recouping some trade value. They can cut Carr before that date to get out of their contract with him but they would rather trade him somewhere and get something back in compensation. ESPN’s Jeremy Fowler sees the Saints as a team that could be in the mix once those trade talks heat up. When sharing what he’s heard on Carr from around league circles at the Senior Bowl practices this week, Fowler had this to say:

“Watch for the New Orleans Saints here. A Carr-Saints connection was buzzing a bit in Mobile, and they could be a suitor. New Orleans has a first- and second-round pick from the Sean Payton deal, and head coach Dennis Allen coached Carr during his rookie year in Oakland.”

The Saints have felt like a natural suitor all along; Allen believed in him enough to draft Carr way back when, so it makes sense that he’d have interest in working with the quarterback again. It’s worth wondering whether Carr is really an upgrade over Andy Dalton and Jameis Winston — all three of them, combined, have never won a playoff game — but he’s never enjoyed as strong a supporting cast as he would have in New Orleans. The strong Saints defense could buy him more breathing-room than he ever enjoyed with the Raiders.

And what are the ripple effects from a potential teamup? Would Michael Thomas rework his contract again to play with an established quarterback like Carr? What kind of draft capital would the Saints have to give up for Carr? Would he agree to not waive his no-trade clause, forcing the Raiders to release him, so New Orleans could simply sign him as a free agent? This would introduce a lot of new variables to the Saints’ offseason strategy but that’s true of any move they make at quarterback. There’s a lot of smoke with Carr. Let’s see if there’s actually a fire sparking it.

“The pessimist sees difficulty in every opportunity. The optimist sees the opportunity in every difficulty.” — Winston Churchill

K Major

Is Carr an "upgrade" over Dalton? Yes, certainly.

He could be competitive in a very weak NFC South division. Forward-thinking.. the Saints still need to draft a young, athletic QB to sit and develop for a year. Just don't expect dramatic change with Pete Carmichael still holding a play sheet .

But yeah, DCarr could be a realistic option for the Saints in 2023. We'll see.

halloween 65

If by chance we do get Carr I'm pretty sure he'll want a 4 year deal. I would look to draft on in the later rounds to develop. I'm just looking at the holes to fill this season and next. We need to get much younger and bring the cap situation in hand. Carr also might help bring in a new HC instead of one with no proven qb.

SmashMouth

AsylumGuido

Well, we'll see if we get permission to talk to Carr. It may take a trade to get him. If there is enough interest he may not last to the point to be cut.