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2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

this is a discussion within the Saints Community Forum; SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2021 New Orleans Saints - Cap Space Problem OFFENSE QB (3) 2 - Jameis Winston (FA 2021) , 7 - Taysom Hill, 15 - Trevor Siemian (RFC 2021) , 16 - Ian Book (R4, P133) RB ...

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Old 06-02-2021, 10:13 AM   #281
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SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2021 New Orleans Saints - Cap Space Problem

OFFENSE

QB (3) 2 - Jameis Winston (FA 2021), 7 - Taysom Hill, 15 - Trevor Siemian (RFC 2021), 16 - Ian Book (R4, P133)

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray, 24 - Dwayne Washington (FA 2021), 37 - Tony Jones Jr. (RFC 2021), 34 - Stevie Scott III (UDFA 2021)

FB (1) 40 - Alex Armah (FA 2021), 45 - Garrett Griffin (RFC 2021)

WR-X (2) 13 - Michael Thomas, 12 - Marquez Callaway, 19 - Jake Lampman (RFC 2021)

WR-S (2) 88 - Ty Montgomery (FA 2021), 83 - Juwan Johnson (ERFA 2021), 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (ERFA 2021), 85 - Easop Winston (FA 2021)

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 73 - Ethan Greenidge, 68 - Kyle Murphy (FA 2021)

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 74 - James Hurst (FA 2021), 68 - Derrick Kelly

C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy, 64 - Will Clapp (RFA 2021), 61 - Christian Montano (FA 2021)

RG (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz, 76 - Calvin Throckmorton (RFC 2021), 65 - Mike Brown (UDFA 2021)

RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 67 - Landon Young (R6, P206)

TE (3) 82 - Adam Trautman, 81 - Nick Vannett (FA 2021), 86 - Ethan Wolf (RFC 2021), 89 - Dylan Soehner (UDFA 2021)

WR-Z (2) 10 - Tre'Quan Smith, 11 - Deonte Harris, 14 - Kawaan Baker (R7, P255), 17 - Jalen McCleskey (FA 2021)


DEFENSE

RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 96 - Carl Granderson, 57 - Noah Spence (FA 2021), 59 - Marcus Willoughby (RFC 2021)

NT (2) 99 - Shy Tuttle, 95 - Ryan Glasgow (RFC 2021), 00 - Albert Huggins (FA 2021), 00 - Lorenzo Neal, Jr (UDFA 2021)

DT (2) 93 - David Onyemata, 97 - Malcolm Roach, 91 - Josiah Bronson (UDFA 2021), 77 - Jalen Dalton (RFC 2021)

LDE (2) 94 - Cam Jordan, 98 - Payton Turner (R1, P28), 90 - Tanoh Kpassagnon, 70 - Christian Ringo (RFC 2021)

WLB (2) 20 - Pete Werner (R2, P60), 42 - Chase Hansen (RFC 2021), 54 - Wynton McManis (RFC 2021)

MLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 58 - Shaq Smith (UDFA 2021), 47 - Sutton Smith (FA2021), 00 - Quentin Poling (FA 2021)

SLB (2) 53 - Zach Baun, 55 - Kaden Elliss, 50 - Andrew Dowell (RFC 2021)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2021), 38 - Keith Washington Jr.

NCB (2) 30 - Grant Haley (RFC 2021), 31 - Bryce Thompson (UDFA 2021), 35 - Lawrence Woods (UDFA 2021)

FS (2) 43 - Marcus Williams (Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag 2021), 48 - J.T. Gray (FA 2021), 32 - Eric Burrell (UDFA 2021)

SS (2) 27 - Malcolm Jenkins, 22 - Chauncey Gardner, 36 - Deuce Wallace (FA 2021)

LCB (2) 29 - Paulson Adebo (R3, P76), 21 - Patrick Robinson, 25 - Ken Crawley (FA 2021)


KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 4 - Blake Gillikin, 5 - Nolan Cooney

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood

RS (*) 11 - Deonte Harris


90-man Roster Count - Total: 85; Offense: 40; Defense: 41; Kicking: 4; Practice Squad: 0


Reserve/Injured

Reserve/Non-Football Injury

Reserve/Covid-19

Reserve/Opt-Out


KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2021)

Waivers (Wv 2021)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2021)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2021)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2021)

Practice Squad (PS 2021)

Injured, Reserve/Non-Football Injury (IR), Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform (PUP), Reserve/Opt-Out (OPT)

Reserve/Covid-19

Reserve/Suspended By Commissioner

STATUS:
  • *OUT - Out/Left Game

  • *INACTIVE - Healthy Inactive

  • *PSACTIVE - Activated From Practice Squad

  • *LP - Limited Practice

  • *DNP - Did Not Practice

  • *CP - Concussion Protocol

  • *DTR - Designated To Return
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For the record I hope Davenport has a fantastic year and Exceeds what Trey gave us last year. Hope he leads the league in sacks and is DPOY. Of course that would make him impossible to sign to a long term deal and he would go the way of the T. rex. That would surely make him worthy of 2 first round picks.

If hoping he does so, but recognizing that up to this point he hasn’t even been able to outperform a player the team got for “what was essentially “ a high fourth round pick makes me a hater in some peoples opinions, then fine. That’s not a successful use of two picks in my opinion even if they had been two high 2nd round picks, much less the actual first rounders they were.
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Old 06-02-2021, 11:54 AM   #284
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This has been debunked more than once - The Saints and other teams have found success all over the draft board...
It has not been debunked. Sure, successful players can come from any position, but taken as a whole the higher picks on average have produced the greater chance of success. They are picked earlier for a reason.
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For the record I hope Davenport has a fantastic year and Exceeds what Trey gave us last year. Hope he leads the league in sacks and is DPOY. Of course that would make him impossible to sign to a long term deal and he would go the way of the T. rex. That would surely make him worthy of 2 first round picks.

If hoping he does so, but recognizing that up to this point he hasn’t even been able to outperform a player the team got for “what was essentially “ a high fourth round pick makes me a hater in some peoples opinions, then fine. That’s not a successful use of two picks in my opinion even if they had been two high 2nd round picks, much less the actual first rounders they were.
You are, of course, deserving of your opinion.
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You aren't looking very hard, Underwood. Ramczyk, Marcus Williams, and Lattimore all have contracts prime for restructure. The three of them count approximately $32 million toward the 2021 cap. That $32 million is entirely base salary. None of it is previous restructures or prorated bonuses.
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They are picked earlier for a reason.
I’m not trying to be argumentative here. What reason is this. Why is a player taken at 13 vs 28 vs 41 in your eyes?
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You are being dishonest about it being two second round picks. If there is a difference between 14 and 25, There’s a difference between 25 and 38. Hence, your repeated lie about it being 2 high second rounders. Not to mention that there was no way to know the extra pick was going to be a low first rounder...an unexpected team injury here or there and that could have been a much higher pick. Hell, they finished 7-9 multiple times without serious injuries. You are using the hindsight knowledge of what the unknown-at-the-time extra pick ended up being to justify your incorrect opinion, but not allowing me to use my hindsight knowledge of his injuries to back up my correct one. You can’t have it both ways.

I don’t get the haters reference.
I don't get where you are getting your numbers. Pick number 33 is a high 2nd rounder, no? I don't know where you came up with 38. and I don't know where you came up with 25. The two picks traded were the 27th and the 30th. There is very little difference between the 27th and 33rd. There is even less difference between the 30th and the 33rd. Therefore, there is very little difference between the two picks we traded and two high 2nd rounders just as I stated.

Once again, who cares what pick any player was picked with? Once the pick is made it becomes moot. It doesn't matter. Water under the bridge. Nothing constructive can come from complaining. Personally, I like what I have seen from Davenport when he has been on the field. Obviously the front office has, as well, or they wouldn't have picked up his fifth year option. Hopefully he'll have a healthy career from this point on and prove all of the haters wrong. There's no reason he can't follow, or surpass, the production of Cam Jordan which really didn't come to consistent fruition until his 7th season in the league. All I am asking for is patience. It appears that isn't possible for some, however.
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I’m not trying to be argumentative here. What reason is this. Why is a player taken at 13 vs 28 vs 41 in your eyes?
They are taken at the higher position because they are perceived to have a better chance at success. Is that always the case? No, of course not, but statistically speaking it is. Players taken in the first round have a success rate of 83%. Players selected in the second round have a success rate of 70%.

Does that mean the success rate of every 1st rounder is the same? Of course not. You would have to agree that players taken in the top 15 of the draft have a greater chance of success than those taken in the next 17 slots, no? That's only logical. Otherwise what would it matter what a team's picks were?
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It has not been debunked. Sure, successful players can come from any position, but taken as a whole the higher picks on average have produced the greater chance of success. They are picked earlier for a reason.
Debunked.
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