Debunked.

In your mind, perhaps. Can you tell me honestly that you believe all players historically taken in the first round after the top 15 have just as high a probability of success as those taken in the top 15 slots?

Argument made, backed with cited proof, as I said - debunked...

I don't get where you are getting your numbers. Pick number 33 is a high 2nd rounder, no? I don't know where you came up with 38. and I don't know where you came up with 25. The two picks traded were the 27th and the 30th. There is very little difference between the 27th and 33rd. There is even less difference between the 30th and the 33rd. Therefore, there is very little difference between the two picks we traded and two high 2nd rounders just as I stated.

Once again, who cares what pick any player was picked with? Once the pick is made it becomes moot. It doesn't matter. Water under the bridge. Nothing constructive can come from complaining. Personally, I like what I have seen from Davenport when he has been on the field. Obviously the front office has, as well, or they wouldn't have picked up his fifth year option. Hopefully he'll have a healthy career from this point on and prove all of the haters wrong. There's no reason he can't follow, or surpass, the production of Cam Jordan which really didn't come to consistent fruition until his 7th season in the league. All I am asking for is patience. It appears that isn't possible for some, however.

I was just using random numbers as you were randomly saying high second round picks were given up. At the time the trade was made it was for the Saints current first round pick, which was known, and a future first round pick which was not. That pick could have ended up been anywhere from 1-32. If you want to use hindsight to say it was only for pick 30 to support your opinion I can use hindsight to say they should have knew Davenport would be injured to support mine.

As far as your comment about my “complaining“ about it, this is an example of you labeling people who disagree with you. Despite your indication I don’t hate the man and I am not complaining he is on the team. I think the price paid for his services has been too much and, as JP pointed out, that is not his fault. It’s a fan’s off-season opinion based upon evaluation of a certain draft pick the Saints made related to his performance and production. It’s no different than when I evaluate the move to spend a second round future pick for a third round pick to make the move to get Kamara as a good move. If I point out that was a good move am I an ass-kisser?

First off, I didn't say YOU were complaining. If you go back and read what I wrote that was not directed at anyone in particular. I made it a point to word it in that manner. Your instances of referencing the two first round picks are rare. Now, if you mentioned it say, over and over again, ad nauseum, it may fall into the spectrum of complaining.



As for the future 1st rounder in the trade, that would have been an educated prediction by the front office. At the time we had arguably the best all round roster in the league. The chances of our finishing very far from the very top of the league were slim. I believe, in fact, that either Payton or Loomis alluded to their expecting that future pick to be at the tail end of the round in an interview after the trade was made. It turns out they were right. If they felt we would have been looking at a top 15 pick, for example, that next season I seriously doubt the trade would have been made in that form.

As for the price paid, patience as I mentioned earlier. We have only seen the first three of the contracted five years and have yet to see the remainder of the career after that. It is a tad early to be declaring the end value, don't you think?

What cited proof? Some isolated one off incidents? What is your supposed "cited proof"? Is it statistically sound?



Sorry, JP, but it sounds to me like you are the one imbibing in wacky weed.

Seek medical help for Alzheimer's; it's been argumed ad nauseam, even in last two weeks; can't keep breaking it down when you refused to admit you're wrong...