2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

iceshack149 · 07-12-2021, 04:05 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Do not underestimate the value of a veteran in the clubhouse. Jenkins is a solid safety on the field and a team leader off.

jeanpierre · 07-12-2021, 04:31 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Do not underestimate the value of a veteran in the clubhouse. Jenkins is a solid safety on the field and a team leader off.

Yeah, that was some invaluable leadership he showed after that number he pulled on Drew Brees on social media last year...

halloween 65 · 07-12-2021, 06:30 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Yeah, that was some invaluable leadership he showed after that number he pulled on Drew Brees on social media last year...

You beat me too it.

halloween 65 · 07-12-2021, 06:37 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

Go back and listen to some of Dennis Allen press conferences. He went on record saying it took almost a month on figuring out how to use MJ effectively.

Stats don't tell the entire story on players, however according to PFR (pro football reference) Jenkins was statistically better than Bell in almost every category for 2020.

I'm not in those film study meetings, however one would believe the coaches may have felt VB was "limited" (INT's, TFL, QB hits etc) in his ability at the SS position. If you go back and look at his over all body of work, there was repetitive communication issues & rarely able to make an interception to change momentum. Not all on him however adding a veteran prescence helped the defense last season.

Not knocking the contributions Vonn made here, however Malcolm was a needed improvement in 2020.

Allen seems to try to mold the secondary to make Jenkins not look like bringing him back wasn't a mistake, it was and is a mistake. Jenkins really is the same old Jenkins while he was here the first time just older and slower. SS is a big concern in the backfield last season and this season.

jeanpierre · 07-13-2021, 12:39 AM

Originally Posted by halloween 65

Allen seems to try to mold the secondary to make Jenkins not look like bringing him back wasn't a mistake, it was and is a mistake. Jenkins really is the same old Jenkins while he was here the first time just older and slower. SS is a big concern in the backfield last season and this season.

And that sad thing is that the best SS on the team is playing NB...

Gardner could easily be our best SS since Sammy Knight...

AsylumGuido · 07-13-2021, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Yeah, that was some invaluable leadership he showed after that number he pulled on Drew Brees on social media last year...

Yet he and Brees remain friends and Jenkins remains a leader on and off the field. They are both more mature than many members around here.

iceshack149 · 07-13-2021, 12:18 PM

AsylumGuido · 07-13-2021, 01:15 PM

Originally Posted by iceshack149

That's pretty obvious. You can't.

K Major · 07-14-2021, 11:51 AM

RG (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz

With a full season under his belt in addition to OTA's/ training camp etc, it will be interesting to see what improvement(s) Cesar makes in year 2... at right guard.

jeanpierre · 07-14-2021, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Yet he and Brees remain friends and Jenkins remains a leader on and off the field. They are both more mature than many members around here.

Yeah, that was real mature to take to social media rather than call, meet with a teammate...

07-12-2021, 04:05 PM	#401
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07-12-2021, 04:31 PM	#402
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Do not underestimate the value of a veteran in the clubhouse. Jenkins is a solid safety on the field and a team leader off. Yeah, that was some invaluable leadership he showed after that number he pulled on Drew Brees on social media last year... iceshack149, Rugby Saint II, halloween 65 and 1 others like this.

07-12-2021, 06:30 PM	#403
halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Yeah, that was some invaluable leadership he showed after that number he pulled on Drew Brees on social media last year... You beat me too it. jeanpierre and Rugby Saint II like this.

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halloween 65 5000 POSTS! + Join Date: Sep 2011 Location: Grand Haven, Michigan by way of a little Mississippi River town in Louisiana Posts: 5,893	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major Go back and listen to some of Dennis Allen press conferences. He went on record saying it took almost a month on figuring out how to use MJ effectively. Stats don't tell the entire story on players, however according to PFR (pro football reference) Jenkins was statistically better than Bell in almost every category for 2020. I'm not in those film study meetings, however one would believe the coaches may have felt VB was "limited" (INT's, TFL, QB hits etc) in his ability at the SS position. If you go back and look at his over all body of work, there was repetitive communication issues & rarely able to make an interception to change momentum. Not all on him however adding a veteran prescence helped the defense last season. Not knocking the contributions Vonn made here, however Malcolm was a needed improvement in 2020. Allen seems to try to mold the secondary to make Jenkins not look like bringing him back wasn't a mistake, it was and is a mistake. Jenkins really is the same old Jenkins while he was here the first time just older and slower. SS is a big concern in the backfield last season and this season. jeanpierre likes this.

07-13-2021, 12:39 AM	#405
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by halloween 65 Allen seems to try to mold the secondary to make Jenkins not look like bringing him back wasn't a mistake, it was and is a mistake. Jenkins really is the same old Jenkins while he was here the first time just older and slower. SS is a big concern in the backfield last season and this season. And that sad thing is that the best SS on the team is playing NB... Gardner could easily be our best SS since Sammy Knight... halloween 65 likes this.

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07-13-2021, 11:38 AM	#406
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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by iceshack149 That's pretty obvious. You can't.

07-14-2021, 11:51 AM	#409
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook RG (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz With a full season under his belt in addition to OTA's/ training camp etc, it will be interesting to see what improvement(s) Cesar makes in year 2... at right guard. saintsfan1976 and jeanpierre like this.

07-14-2021, 11:57 AM	#410
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Yet he and Brees remain friends and Jenkins remains a leader on and off the field. They are both more mature than many members around here. Yeah, that was real mature to take to social media rather than call, meet with a teammate... iceshack149 likes this.

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