2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

AsylumGuido · 07-14-2021, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Yeah, that was real mature to take to social media rather than call, meet with a teammate...

You ever make an initial mistake in judgement? Soon thereafter he DID call the teammate and hashed out the issue as adults PRIVATELY and came to a friendly understanding. It's called moving along. Letting things go. Not dwelling on the past. You know, adult sh!t.

AsylumGuido · 07-14-2021, 12:45 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

RG (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz

With a full season under his belt in addition to OTA's/ training camp etc, it will be interesting to see what improvement(s) Cesar makes in year 2... at right guard.

As it was he only committed one penalty and allowed zero sacks according to the in-depth evaluation of every offensive line unit in the league a few weeks back. The kid is going to be another stud.

K Major · 07-14-2021, 12:58 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

As it was he only committed one penalty and allowed zero sacks according to the in-depth evaluation of every offensive line unit in the league a few weeks back. The kid is going to be another stud.

I'm hopeful Ruiz's technique will be improved in his second second. I saw some flashes as a rookie.

Something tells me Ruiz isn't quite done auditioning for the "long term" center position even though Erik has been a mauler in the middle.

Rugby Saint II · 07-14-2021, 01:08 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

I'm hopeful Ruiz's technique will be improved in his second second. I saw some flashes as a rookie.

Something tells me Ruiz isn't quite done auditioning for the "long term" center position even though Erik has been a mauler in the middle.

He is undersized for a guard but that doesn't matter as much at center. There was a reason they drafted Ruiz to take over at center. McCoy was struggling with the calls at the line as a rookie and they wanted to bring in someone to make the calls at the line of scrimmage. Because of the Covid shortened preseason McCoy stayed at center and thrived in his second year. However, This TC we may see if Ruiz is better at center. Personally, I'd rather see the team kick McCoy out to center and let Ruiz play his natural position snapping the ball.

K Major · 07-14-2021, 01:32 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

He is undersized for a guard but that doesn't matter as much at center. There was a reason they drafted Ruiz to take over at center. McCoy was struggling with the calls at the line as a rookie and they wanted to bring in someone to make the calls at the line of scrimmage. Because of the Covid shortened preseason McCoy stayed at center and thrived in his second year. However, This TC we may see if Ruiz is better at center. Personally, I'd rather see the team kick McCoy out to center and let Ruiz play his natural position snapping the ball.

McCoy struggled with calls as a rookie? Or do you mean in rookie OTAs? Through his first 6 games of his career, Erik was ranked top 5 highest rated center in pass & run blocking in all of the NFL.

AsylumGuido · 07-14-2021, 04:51 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

McCoy struggled with calls as a rookie? Or do you mean in rookie OTAs? Through his first 6 games of his career, Erik was ranked top 5 highest rated center in pass & run blocking in all of the NFL.

Rugs is talking about the defensive calls. As you know both the QB and the center read and identify the defense. Either one can call the Mike's number. As you pointed out his execution was great, but I'd read his defensive reads needed work early. By the way, that was Ruiz' strength in college. His coach said he correctly identified 99% of the defensive reads at center over his career.

jeanpierre · 07-14-2021, 09:28 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

You ever make an initial mistake in judgement? Soon thereafter he DID call the teammate and hashed out the issue as adults PRIVATELY and came to a friendly understanding. It's called moving along. Letting things go. Not dwelling on the past. You know, adult sh!t.

And yet he was signed for his maturity, leadership, even as you posted - and he failed colossally, predictably in the locker room and in coverage...

It was a horrible re-signing and we will watch him get exposed as an older, troublesome defensive back in the way of an upcoming player...

All so Sean and Dennis can save face on a bad re-signing...

jeanpierre · 07-14-2021, 09:29 PM

Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II

He is undersized for a guard but that doesn't matter as much at center. There was a reason they drafted Ruiz to take over at center. McCoy was struggling with the calls at the line as a rookie and they wanted to bring in someone to make the calls at the line of scrimmage. Because of the Covid shortened preseason McCoy stayed at center and thrived in his second year. However, This TC we may see if Ruiz is better at center. Personally, I'd rather see the team kick McCoy out to center and let Ruiz play his natural position snapping the ball.

Rugs, as Major is reminding, that was Ruiz, Brother, not McCoy...

McCoy's rookie season was before the #WuhanPandemic...

Saints graded Ruiz high, saw he was there, and McCoy had shown rare, elite speed to get downfield and so they thought to move McCoy to Right Guard...

But Ruiz was unable to grasp the offensive calls, limited time because of the pandemic, so McCoy stayed at Center and Ruiz was tried at Guard...

K Major · 07-15-2021, 10:31 AM

RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 67 - Landon Young (R6, P206)

Possible mauler for years to come at LT? Landon has a lot of potential. Good, quick feet to say he's such a big man. Also uses his leverage/hips to get low.

JP - in the few highlights I've seen over the past few months, Landon really looks like a pure LEFT TACKLE. I think he can hold his own on an island out there.

Thoughts?

Rugby Saint II · 07-15-2021, 10:46 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

RG (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz

With a full season under his belt in addition to OTA's/ training camp etc, it will be interesting to see what improvement(s) Cesar makes in year 2... at right guard.

Personally I would prefer Ruiz play at his natural position...center. He is undersized for a guard while McCoy is built to play guard. Play the best five to their strengths.

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AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Yeah, that was real mature to take to social media rather than call, meet with a teammate... You ever make an initial mistake in judgement? Soon thereafter he DID call the teammate and hashed out the issue as adults PRIVATELY and came to a friendly understanding. It's called moving along. Letting things go. Not dwelling on the past. You know, adult sh!t.

07-14-2021, 12:45 PM	#412
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major RG (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz With a full season under his belt in addition to OTA's/ training camp etc, it will be interesting to see what improvement(s) Cesar makes in year 2... at right guard. As it was he only committed one penalty and allowed zero sacks according to the in-depth evaluation of every offensive line unit in the league a few weeks back. The kid is going to be another stud.

07-14-2021, 12:58 PM	#413
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by AsylumGuido As it was he only committed one penalty and allowed zero sacks according to the in-depth evaluation of every offensive line unit in the league a few weeks back. The kid is going to be another stud. I'm hopeful Ruiz's technique will be improved in his second second. I saw some flashes as a rookie. Something tells me Ruiz isn't quite done auditioning for the "long term" center position even though Erik has been a mauler in the middle. jeanpierre likes this.

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Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major I'm hopeful Ruiz's technique will be improved in his second second. I saw some flashes as a rookie. Something tells me Ruiz isn't quite done auditioning for the "long term" center position even though Erik has been a mauler in the middle. He is undersized for a guard but that doesn't matter as much at center. There was a reason they drafted Ruiz to take over at center. McCoy was struggling with the calls at the line as a rookie and they wanted to bring in someone to make the calls at the line of scrimmage. Because of the Covid shortened preseason McCoy stayed at center and thrived in his second year. However, This TC we may see if Ruiz is better at center. Personally, I'd rather see the team kick McCoy out to center and let Ruiz play his natural position snapping the ball.
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07-14-2021, 01:32 PM	#415
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II He is undersized for a guard but that doesn't matter as much at center. There was a reason they drafted Ruiz to take over at center. McCoy was struggling with the calls at the line as a rookie and they wanted to bring in someone to make the calls at the line of scrimmage. Because of the Covid shortened preseason McCoy stayed at center and thrived in his second year. However, This TC we may see if Ruiz is better at center. Personally, I'd rather see the team kick McCoy out to center and let Ruiz play his natural position snapping the ball. McCoy struggled with calls as a rookie? Or do you mean in rookie OTAs? Through his first 6 games of his career, Erik was ranked top 5 highest rated center in pass & run blocking in all of the NFL. jeanpierre and gosaints1 like this.

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07-14-2021, 04:51 PM	#416
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major McCoy struggled with calls as a rookie? Or do you mean in rookie OTAs? Through his first 6 games of his career, Erik was ranked top 5 highest rated center in pass & run blocking in all of the NFL. Rugs is talking about the defensive calls. As you know both the QB and the center read and identify the defense. Either one can call the Mike's number. As you pointed out his execution was great, but I'd read his defensive reads needed work early. By the way, that was Ruiz' strength in college. His coach said he correctly identified 99% of the defensive reads at center over his career.

07-14-2021, 09:28 PM	#417
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by AsylumGuido You ever make an initial mistake in judgement? Soon thereafter he DID call the teammate and hashed out the issue as adults PRIVATELY and came to a friendly understanding. It's called moving along. Letting things go. Not dwelling on the past. You know, adult sh!t. And yet he was signed for his maturity, leadership, even as you posted - and he failed colossally, predictably in the locker room and in coverage... It was a horrible re-signing and we will watch him get exposed as an older, troublesome defensive back in the way of an upcoming player... All so Sean and Dennis can save face on a bad re-signing...

07-14-2021, 09:29 PM	#418
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by Rugby Saint II He is undersized for a guard but that doesn't matter as much at center. There was a reason they drafted Ruiz to take over at center. McCoy was struggling with the calls at the line as a rookie and they wanted to bring in someone to make the calls at the line of scrimmage. Because of the Covid shortened preseason McCoy stayed at center and thrived in his second year. However, This TC we may see if Ruiz is better at center. Personally, I'd rather see the team kick McCoy out to center and let Ruiz play his natural position snapping the ball. Rugs, as Major is reminding, that was Ruiz, Brother, not McCoy... McCoy's rookie season was before the #WuhanPandemic... Saints graded Ruiz high, saw he was there, and McCoy had shown rare, elite speed to get downfield and so they thought to move McCoy to Right Guard... But Ruiz was unable to grasp the offensive calls, limited time because of the pandemic, so McCoy stayed at Center and Ruiz was tried at Guard... K Major likes this.

07-15-2021, 10:31 AM	#419
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 67 - Landon Young (R6, P206) Possible mauler for years to come at LT? Landon has a lot of potential. Good, quick feet to say he's such a big man. Also uses his leverage/hips to get low. JP - in the few highlights I've seen over the past few months, Landon really looks like a pure LEFT TACKLE. I think he can hold his own on an island out there. Thoughts? jeanpierre likes this.

07-15-2021, 10:46 AM	#420
Rugby Saint II Bounty Money $$$ Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: 5800 Airline Dr. Metairie, LA. Posts: 24,073	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major RG (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz With a full season under his belt in addition to OTA's/ training camp etc, it will be interesting to see what improvement(s) Cesar makes in year 2... at right guard. Personally I would prefer Ruiz play at his natural position...center. He is undersized for a guard while McCoy is built to play guard. Play the best five to their strengths. FinSaint likes this.

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