2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook

AsylumGuido · 07-19-2021, 10:00 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

You're incapable of giving an honest, non-bias'd assessment, and that goes to the bigger point you refuse to admit when you're wrong...

I have admitted to be wrong both times. And talk about bias. We all have bias's. That is basic human nature. You yourself have a well known bias against the Saints front office and Sean Payton. Others have a bias against Jamies Winston. Others have had one against Drew Brees.

And again with being wrong, how many time have you admitted to being wrong?

K Major · 07-19-2021, 10:03 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me...

“IF” MD stays healthy…. BEAST.

I’ve seen enough to know he is very good at what he does. My only concern continues to be availability. Makes the accomplishments Cam Jordan has made at LDE even more impressive.

2021, let’s do this.

AsylumGuido · 07-19-2021, 10:07 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport …

Hot take - this will be his best, most productive season as a Saint .

I agree completely. With Hendrickson out of the picture he can be more involved in the pass defense. We aren't going to lose the sack numbers from Hendrickson who had the advantage of defenses keying on Jordan all the time. We had the 8th highest sack total in the league last season. I expect at least that many against this coming season and somebody has to get them. Davenport will get his share.

AsylumGuido · 07-19-2021, 10:10 AM

Originally Posted by K Major

“IF” MD stays healthy…. BEAST.

I’ve seen enough to know he is very good at what he does. My only concern continues to be availability. Makes the accomplishments Cam Jordan has made at LDE even more impressive.

2021, let’s do this.

I heard Cam in an interview last week saying that he has been extremely fortunate to have avoided missing any time due to injury. He added that is very unusual among NFL linemen. Hopefully he doesn't jinx himself.

jeanpierre · 07-19-2021, 03:48 PM

Originally Posted by K Major

“IF” MD stays healthy…. BEAST.

I’ve seen enough to know he is very good at what he does. My only concern continues to be availability. Makes the accomplishments Cam Jordan has made at LDE even more impressive.

2021, let’s do this.

No question he's flashed some terrific, imposing moves, but can he stay healthy? is the question, isn't it?

Look Dalvin Cook finally had a healthy year and what a year it was, but geezhus, some guys just have no healthy constitution at all...

jeanpierre · 07-19-2021, 03:50 PM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

I have admitted to be wrong both times. And talk about bias. We all have bias's. That is basic human nature. You yourself have a well known bias against the Saints front office and Sean Payton. Others have a bias against Jamies Winston. Others have had one against Drew Brees.

And again with being wrong, how many time have you admitted to being wrong?

Have been critical of their moves, yes. Makes me and others no less a Saints fan for doing so. In fact, it shows objectivity...

Now when have you admitted to being wrong? Not the wrong part, which is often, but the admission of it? Was it since the last Ice Age?

AsylumGuido · 07-19-2021, 05:33 PM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Have been critical of their moves, yes. Makes me and others no less a Saints fan for doing so. In fact, it shows objectivity...

Now when have you admitted to being wrong? Not the wrong part, which is often, but the admission of it? Was it since the last Ice Age?

Point out any specific instances where I have been wrong. I'm sure you'll try to list times I have had viewpoints differing from yours. In those instances have you considered that you may have been wrong?

Well, waiting.

And I never said you were less of a Saints fan for your criticism. Nor am I any less of a Saints fan because I see very little to criticize these last 15 years or so. Anything I have seen is so trivial it has faded away.

I must say though, the white Nike shoes with the white tuxedo by Payton was not a good look.

jeanpierre · 07-20-2021, 09:25 AM

Originally Posted by AsylumGuido

Point out any specific instances where I have been wrong. I'm sure you'll try to list times I have had viewpoints differing from yours. In those instances have you considered that you may have been wrong?

Well, waiting.

And I never said you were less of a Saints fan for your criticism. Nor am I any less of a Saints fan because I see very little to criticize these last 15 years or so. Anything I have seen is so trivial it has faded away.

I must say though, the white Nike shoes with the white tuxedo by Payton was not a good look.

Still waiting for you demonstrate one instance of objectivity and to name one time you have been critical of Payton...

#Waiting

jeanpierre · 07-20-2021, 09:26 AM

SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2021 New Orleans Saints - Pending Suspensions

OFFENSE

QB (3) 2 - Jameis Winston (FA 2021), 7 - Taysom Hill, 15 - Trevor Siemian (RFC 2021), 16 - Ian Book (R4, P133)

RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray, 24 - Dwayne Washington (FA 2021), 37 - Tony Jones Jr. (RFC 2021), 34 - Stevie Scott III (UDFA 2021)

FB (1) 40 - Alex Armah (FA 2021), 45 - Garrett Griffin (RFC 2021)

WR-X (2) 13 - Michael Thomas, 12 - Marquez Callaway, 19 - Jake Lampman (RFC 2021)

WR-S (2) 88 - Ty Montgomery (FA 2021), 83 - Juwan Johnson (ERFA 2021), 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (ERFA 2021), 85 - Easop Winston (FA 2021)

LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 73 - Ethan Greenidge, 68 - Kyle Murphy (FA 2021)

LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 74 - James Hurst (FA 2021), 68 - Derrick Kelly

C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy, 64 - Will Clapp (RFA 2021), 61 - Christian Montano (FA 2021)

RG (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz, 76 - Calvin Throckmorton (RFC 2021), 65 - Mike Brown (UDFA 2021)

RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 67 - Landon Young (R6, P206)

TE (3) 82 - Adam Trautman, 81 - Nick Vannett (FA 2021), 86 - Ethan Wolf (RFC 2021), 89 - Dylan Soehner (UDFA 2021)

WR-Z (2) 10 - Tre'Quan Smith, 11 - Deonte Harris, 14 - Kawaan Baker (R7, P255), 17 - Jalen McCleskey (FA 2021)

DEFENSE

RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 96 - Carl Granderson, 57 - Noah Spence (FA 2021), 59 - Marcus Willoughby (RFC 2021)

NT (2) 99 - Shy Tuttle, 95 - Ryan Glasgow (RFC 2021), 60 - Albert Huggins (FA 2021), 00 - Lorenzo Neal, Jr (UDFA 2021)

DT (2) 93 - David Onyemata (6 Gm Suspension), 97 - Malcolm Roach, 91 - Josiah Bronson (UDFA 2021), 77 - Jalen Dalton (RFC 2021)

LDE (2) 94 - Cam Jordan, 98 - Payton Turner (R1, P28), 90 - Tanoh Kpassagnon, 70 - Christian Ringo (RFC 2021)

WLB (2) 20 - Pete Werner (R2, P60), 42 - Chase Hansen (RFC 2021), 54 - Wynton McManis (RFC 2021)

MLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 58 - Shaq Smith (UDFA 2021), 47 - Sutton Smith (FA2021), 00 - Quentin Poling (FA 2021)

SLB (2) 53 - Zach Baun, 55 - Kaden Elliss, 50 - Andrew Dowell (RFC 2021)

RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2021), 38 - Keith Washington Jr.

NCB (2) 30 - Grant Haley (RFC 2021), 31 - Bryce Thompson (UDFA 2021), 35 - Lawrence Woods (UDFA 2021)

FS (2) 43 - Marcus Williams (Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag 2021), 48 - J.T. Gray (FA 2021), 32 - Eric Burrell (UDFA 2021)

SS (2) 27 - Malcolm Jenkins, 22 - Chauncey Gardner, 36 - Deuce Wallace (FA 2021)

LCB (2) 29 - Paulson Adebo (R3, P76), 21 - Patrick Robinson, 25 - Ken Crawley (FA 2021)

KICKING

K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz

P (1) 4 - Blake Gillikin, 5 - Nolan Cooney

LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood

RS (*) 11 - Deonte Harris

90-man Roster Count - Total: 85; Offense: 40; Defense: 41; Kicking: 4; Practice Squad: 0

Reserve/Injured

Reserve/Non-Football Injury

Reserve/Covid-19

Reserve/Opt-Out

KEY:

Projected Starter

Free Agent (FA 2021)

Waivers (Wv 2021)

Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2021)

Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2021)

Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#)

Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2021)

Practice Squad (PS 2021)

Injured, Reserve/Non-Football Injury (IR), Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform (PUP), Reserve/Opt-Out (OPT)

Reserve/Covid-19

Reserve/Suspended By Commissioner

STATUS:

*OUT - Out/Left Game
*INACTIVE - Healthy Inactive
*PSACTIVE - Activated From Practice Squad
*LP - Limited Practice
*DNP - Did Not Practice
*CP - Concussion Protocol
*DTR - Designated To Return

AsylumGuido · 07-20-2021, 10:17 AM

Originally Posted by jeanpierre

Still waiting for you demonstrate one instance of objectivity and to name one time you have been critical of Payton...

#Waiting

Why would I want to be objective? What do I have to gain from that? The fact that I do not search for things to displease me about my Saints is something negative?

07-19-2021, 10:00 AM	#481
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre You're incapable of giving an honest, non-bias'd assessment, and that goes to the bigger point you refuse to admit when you're wrong... I have admitted to be wrong both times. And talk about bias. We all have bias's. That is basic human nature. You yourself have a well known bias against the Saints front office and Sean Payton. Others have a bias against Jamies Winston. Others have had one against Drew Brees. And again with being wrong, how many time have you admitted to being wrong?

07-19-2021, 10:03 AM	#482
K Major Site Donor 2019 Join Date: Jan 2013 Location: Bedford, TX Posts: 24,622 Blog Entries: 3	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre *Fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me...* “IF” MD stays healthy…. BEAST. I’ve seen enough to know he is very good at what he does. My only concern continues to be availability. Makes the accomplishments Cam Jordan has made at LDE even more impressive. 2021, let’s do this. jeanpierre likes this.

07-19-2021, 10:07 AM	#483
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport … Hot take - this will be his best, most productive season as a Saint . I agree completely. With Hendrickson out of the picture he can be more involved in the pass defense. We aren't going to lose the sack numbers from Hendrickson who had the advantage of defenses keying on Jordan all the time. We had the 8th highest sack total in the league last season. I expect at least that many against this coming season and somebody has to get them. Davenport will get his share.

07-19-2021, 10:10 AM	#484
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major “IF” MD stays healthy…. BEAST. I’ve seen enough to know he is very good at what he does. My only concern continues to be availability. Makes the accomplishments Cam Jordan has made at LDE even more impressive. 2021, let’s do this. I heard Cam in an interview last week saying that he has been extremely fortunate to have avoided missing any time due to injury. He added that is very unusual among NFL linemen. Hopefully he doesn't jinx himself.

07-19-2021, 03:48 PM	#485
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by K Major “IF” MD stays healthy…. BEAST. I’ve seen enough to know he is very good at what he does. My only concern continues to be availability. Makes the accomplishments Cam Jordan has made at LDE even more impressive. 2021, let’s do this. No question he's flashed some terrific, imposing moves, but can he stay healthy? is the question, isn't it? Look Dalvin Cook finally had a healthy year and what a year it was, but geezhus, some guys just have no healthy constitution at all...

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07-19-2021, 03:50 PM	#486
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by AsylumGuido I have admitted to be wrong both times. And talk about bias. We all have bias's. That is basic human nature. You yourself have a well known bias against the Saints front office and Sean Payton. Others have a bias against Jamies Winston. Others have had one against Drew Brees. And again with being wrong, how many time have you admitted to being wrong? Have been critical of their moves, yes. Makes me and others no less a Saints fan for doing so. In fact, it shows objectivity... Now when have you admitted to being wrong? Not the wrong part, which is often, but the admission of it? Was it since the last Ice Age?

07-19-2021, 05:33 PM	#487
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Have been critical of their moves, yes. Makes me and others no less a Saints fan for doing so. In fact, it shows objectivity... Now when have you admitted to being wrong? Not the wrong part, which is often, but the admission of it? Was it since the last Ice Age? Point out any specific instances where I have been wrong. I'm sure you'll try to list times I have had viewpoints differing from yours. In those instances have you considered that you may have been wrong? Well, waiting. And I never said you were less of a Saints fan for your criticism. Nor am I any less of a Saints fan because I see very little to criticize these last 15 years or so. Anything I have seen is so trivial it has faded away. I must say though, the white Nike shoes with the white tuxedo by Payton was not a good look.
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07-20-2021, 09:25 AM	#488
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by AsylumGuido Point out any specific instances where I have been wrong. I'm sure you'll try to list times I have had viewpoints differing from yours. In those instances have you considered that you may have been wrong? Well, waiting. And I never said you were less of a Saints fan for your criticism. Nor am I any less of a Saints fan because I see very little to criticize these last 15 years or so. Anything I have seen is so trivial it has faded away. I must say though, the white Nike shoes with the white tuxedo by Payton was not a good look. Still waiting for you demonstrate one instance of objectivity and to name one time you have been critical of Payton... #Waiting

07-20-2021, 09:26 AM	#489
jeanpierre Site Donor 2018 Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Thibodaux Posts: 43,543 Blog Entries: 39	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook SAINTS DEPTH CHART - 2021 New Orleans Saints - Pending Suspensions OFFENSE QB (3) *2 - Jameis Winston (FA 2021), 7 - Taysom Hill, 15 - Trevor Siemian (RFC 2021), 16 - Ian Book (R4, P133)* RB (3) 41 - Alvin Kamara, 28 - Latavius Murray, 24 - Dwayne Washington (FA 2021), 37 - Tony Jones Jr. (RFC 2021), 34 - Stevie Scott III (UDFA 2021) FB (1) *40 - Alex Armah (FA 2021), 45 - Garrett Griffin (RFC 2021)* WR-X (2) 13 - Michael Thomas, 12 - Marquez Callaway, 19 - Jake Lampman (RFC 2021) WR-S (2) *88 - Ty Montgomery (FA 2021), 83 - Juwan Johnson (ERFA 2021), 84 - Lil’Jordan Humphrey (ERFA 2021), 85 - Easop Winston (FA 2021)* LT (2) 72 - Terron Armstead, 73 - Ethan Greenidge, 68 - Kyle Murphy (FA 2021) LG (2) 75 - Andrus Peat, 74 - James Hurst (FA 2021), 68 - Derrick Kelly C (2) 78 - Erik McCoy, 64 - Will Clapp (RFA 2021), 61 - Christian Montano (FA 2021) RG (2) 51 - Cesar Ruiz, 76 - Calvin Throckmorton (RFC 2021), 65 - Mike Brown (UDFA 2021) RT (2) 71 - Ryan Ramcyzk, 67 - Landon Young (R6, P206) TE (3) 82 - Adam Trautman, 81 - Nick Vannett (FA 2021), 86 - Ethan Wolf (RFC 2021), 89 - Dylan Soehner (UDFA 2021) WR-Z (2) 10 - Tre'Quan Smith, 11 - Deonte Harris, 14 - Kawaan Baker (R7, P255), 17 - Jalen McCleskey (FA 2021) DEFENSE RDE (2) 92 - Marcus Davenport, 96 - Carl Granderson, 57 - Noah Spence (FA 2021), 59 - Marcus Willoughby (RFC 2021) NT (2) 99 - Shy Tuttle, 95 - Ryan Glasgow (RFC 2021), 60 - Albert Huggins (FA 2021), 00 - Lorenzo Neal, Jr (UDFA 2021) DT (2) 93 - David Onyemata (6 Gm Suspension), 97 - Malcolm Roach, 91 - Josiah Bronson (UDFA 2021), 77 - Jalen Dalton (RFC 2021) LDE (2) 94 - Cam Jordan, 98 - Payton Turner (R1, P28), 90 - Tanoh Kpassagnon, 70 - Christian Ringo (RFC 2021) WLB (2) 20 - Pete Werner (R2, P60), 42 - Chase Hansen (RFC 2021), 54 - Wynton McManis (RFC 2021) MLB (2) 56 - DeMario Davis, 58 - Shaq Smith (UDFA 2021), 47 - Sutton Smith (FA2021), 00 - Quentin Poling (FA 2021) SLB (2) 53 - Zach Baun, 55 - Kaden Elliss, 50 - Andrew Dowell (RFC 2021) RCB (2) 23 - Marshon Lattimore, 26 - P.J. Williams (FA 2021), 38 - Keith Washington Jr. NCB (2) 30 - Grant Haley (RFC 2021), 31 - Bryce Thompson (UDFA 2021), 35 - Lawrence Woods (UDFA 2021) FS (2) 43 - Marcus Williams (Non-Exclusive Franchise Tag 2021), 48 - J.T. Gray (FA 2021), 32 - Eric Burrell (UDFA 2021) SS (2) 27 - Malcolm Jenkins, 22 - Chauncey Gardner, 36 - Deuce Wallace (FA 2021) LCB (2) 29 - Paulson Adebo (R3, P76), 21 - Patrick Robinson, 25 - Ken Crawley (FA 2021) KICKING K (1) 3 - Wil Lutz P (1) 4 - Blake Gillikin, 5 - Nolan Cooney LS (1) 49 - Zach Wood RS () 11 - Deonte Harris* 90-man Roster Count - Total: 85; Offense: 40; Defense: 41; Kicking: 4; Practice Squad: 0 Reserve/Injured Reserve/Non-Football Injury Reserve/Covid-19 Reserve/Opt-Out KEY: Projected Starter Free Agent (FA 2021) Waivers (Wv 2021) Exclusive Rights Free Agent (ERFA 2021) Reserve/Futures Contract (RFC 2021) Rookie Draft Pick (R#,P#) Undrafted Rookie Free Agent (UDFA 2021) Practice Squad (PS 2021) Injured, Reserve/Non-Football Injury (IR), Reserve/Physically Unable to Perform (PUP), Reserve/Opt-Out (OPT) Reserve/Covid-19 Reserve/Suspended By Commissioner STATUS: OUT - Out/Left Game INACTIVE - Healthy Inactive PSACTIVE - Activated From Practice Squad LP - Limited Practice DNP - Did Not Practice CP - Concussion Protocol *DTR - Designated To Return
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07-20-2021, 10:17 AM	#490
AsylumGuido 10000 POST CLUB Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Bossier City, LA Posts: 26,274	Re: 2021 New Orleans Saints: Roster Outlook Originally Posted by jeanpierre Still waiting for you demonstrate one instance of objectivity and to name one time you have been critical of Payton... #Waiting Why would I want to be objective? What do I have to gain from that? The fact that I do not search for things to displease me about my Saints is something negative?

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